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Gian-Mattia Schucan Ends Season 4 with a Vision of Seamless Travel
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27:27Gian-Mattia Schucan founded Fairtiq to make travelling by public transport effortless: no tickets, no gates, no stress. We talk about the journey from idea to reality, what operators really want from innovators and how to make change happen in public transport. I’m sad to say that this is the last episode of Season 4 but, don’t worry, I’ll be back …
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“It's fine when you're swinging big to have a few misses in a controlled environment” - 𝗝𝗼𝗻𝗻𝘆 𝗠𝗼𝗼𝗱, 𝗗𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗼𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗡𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗔𝘂𝗱𝗶𝘁 𝗢𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗲 making it very clear that it’s fine for public sector organisations to try things and fail. In today’s episode, I talk to Jonny about what value for money really means, why BCR is often misused and how the NAO su…
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Olly Glover MP on Innovation, Elections and Electrification
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48:20What happens when a rail consultant unexpectedly becomes an MP? In this episode, I talk to Olly Glover MP about the chaos of election night, the shock of landing in Parliament and what the job of an MP really involves. We explore why innovation is hard in legacy sectors like rail, and how the UK’s political system both helps and hinders progress. O…
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Lars Strömgren on Creating a Cycling City
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44:55In this episode, I’m joined by Lars Strömgren, Vice Mayor for Transport and Urban Environment in Stockholm, and one of the people most responsible for Sweden’s cycling boom. We explore how Stockholm went from a city with less than 1% cycling modal share in the 1980s to one of the most bike-friendly places in Europe. Lars reflects on how his childho…
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Anjali Devadasan on Growing A Green Startup
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36:25My guest this week is Anjali Devadasan, founder of Treeva, a startup generating energy from passing vehicles and trains. Her turbines harness airflow to power local infrastructure like lighting and EV chargers. We talked about the technology, the challenges of scaling, and her personal drive to tackle climate change, inspired by her family’s person…
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Christian Willoch on Autonomous Vehicles as Public Transport
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44:47In Oslo, Christian Willoch and his team at Ruter are doing something most cities haven’t even begun to talk about – using autonomous vehicles to strengthen public transport, not compete with it. In this episode, I visit the pilot project they’ve got going, with real members of the public travelling on Ruter-branded autonomous vehicles in exactly th…
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Stephen Bush on the Politics of Transport
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46:52Stephen Bush, Associate Editor at the Financial Times, is one of the few political journalists who truly gets transport policy. In this episode, we talk about why transport matters far more to economic productivity than politicians realise, why ambition in major infrastructure projects has declined since the financial crisis and why simply national…
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Elke Van Den Brandt on Transforming Brussels
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44:55Elke Van den Brandt has transformed Brussels' streets – and taken a political battering for doing so. As the city’s mobility minister, she’s championed slower speeds, safer roads and public spaces that feel more like “living rooms than corridors”. We talk about her 30km/h city-wide limit, the backlash it sparked, the silent majority that supports i…
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Here’s a taster of what’s coming up in Season 4. Subscribe to enjoy the full series!By Thomas Ableman
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For the last episode in Season 3, I’m joined by Tom Nutley of Urban Sharing to dive into the state of micromobility: what’s working, what isn’t - and why. We explore the roots of the industry, from 1960s bike shares to the scooter boom, and discuss how cities have too often repeated past mistakes. Tom argues passionately that micromobility must be …
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Paul Swinney on the North-South Divide and Urban Productivity
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55:10Why is Britain’s economy so lopsided? In most developed countries, you don’t have to move to the capital to find the best jobs, yet in the UK, that’s still the reality for many. London dominates, while our second-tier cities (Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, etc) underperform compared to their European counterparts. Paul Swinney, Director of Policy…
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Lee Waters on Breaking Orthodoxy to Achieve Real Change
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54:40Most politicians either follow public opinion or get trapped in the orthodoxy of the established approach. Lee Waters took a different route. As both Minister for Transport and Minster for Climate Change in Wales, he led some of the most radical shifts in UK transport policy: drastically curtailing road-building, introducing a national 20mph speed …
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Frank Elter on How Big Firms can stay Innovative
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39:00Frank Elter may be a part-time Professor, but he’s a very real-world professor. As Chief Scientist and Vice President at Telenor Research, he’s responsible for innovation and planning for one of Norway’s telecoms giants. He has thought deeply about how corporations can stay innovative. He’s thought about it concerning his work, and he’s researched …
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The UK public sector spends somewhere between £300 billion and a trillion. A lot of that goes through public procurement processes. That creates enormous innovation potential. Yet, being honest, the words “public sector procurement” aren’t seen as synonyms for innovation. This week, the new Procurement Act 2023 comes into force, so it seems a good …
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David Milner on The Design of Cities - and on Trams
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53:10Why don’t we build homes people wish to live in? Terraced streets are popular and sustainable and support shops, services and transport, so why do we keep building low-density, car-dependent suburbs? And what needs to be done to create a nationwide tram renaissance? These are just some of the questions I get into in discussion with David Milner, th…
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George Hazel on Land Value Capture Funding
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46:05Everyone agrees we need more sustainable transport but no-one has enough money to pay for it. Could ‘land value capture’ be the answer? This is the approach where by transport lines are funded through the increases in the land value that the stations stimulate. Well, George Hazel thinks so. In fact, he knows so, because he developed the land value …
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Jarrett Walker on How To Think About Public Transport
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45:00Jarrett Walker has been designing bus networks for thirty years. From his consulting practice in Portland, Oregon, he’s built a specialism in helping cash-strapped local authorities optimise their networks through his business Jarrett Walker Associates. And you can’t optimise if you don’t know what public transport is actually for and how you’re me…
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Anne Shaw on the Transformation of Birmingham
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34:05Birmingham was the first city I lived in as a proper ‘grown-up’ and it was metamorphosing before my eyes. Previously famous as Britain’s ‘car city’, it ripped up its inner ring road the year I arrived. Today, the city centre is unrecognisable: spacious, walkable and with a brand new tram route snaking past brand new buildings. Anne Shaw has been in…
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Politics tends to focus on what is to be done, but none of it matters if it doesn't actually happen. We've been living through a crisis of governance recently. Government has become centralised, micro-managing and subject to constant, wild oscillations of policy. Is this as good as it gets? The Future Governance Forum was set up to make sure it isn…
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Karen Vancluysen on policies, politics and populism
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46:20Karen Vancluysen has an infectious passion for sustainable transport and urban mobility. As Secretary General of POLIS, she runs a network of over 100 European cities and regions, all innovating to accelerate the transition to more sustainable mobility. In today’s episode, we chat about the places that are leading the charge, and the challenges of …
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Maria Hofberg on Growth and Customer satisfaction in Rail
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35:34Maria Hofberg’s rail company doesn’t just have satisfied customers: it has the most satisfied customers in Sweden. Not just the most satisfied rail customers: the most satisfied customers of any transport firm in the Swedish Quality Index, beating buses, airlines and ferry firms. The company in question is VR Snabbtåg and Maria is Chief Commercial …
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Laura Wright on The Best Railways in the World
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31:16A few months ago, I did a light-hearted LinkedIn post, giving out “Olympic” medals to my favourite European railways. Transport Strategy Consultant Laura Wright was immediately on my case, challenging my (somewhat subjective) rankings. So I thought we should debate it in your presence. In this episode we discuss our best (and most memorable - not a…
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Ahu Serter on Entrepreneurship and women in business
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44:05This week’s conversation is with a woman who has broken multiple glass ceilings. The worlds of investment, automotive and Turkish business are all overwhelmingly male-dominated, but Ahu Serter is one of the most respected figures in all of them. She is the founder of Fark Labs, a business attempting - as she puts it - to create the future of the wo…
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Allan Cook on the Rail and Urban Transport Review
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36:14What should the new Government do about transport? Big question: so the Labour party asked an independent group of experts to come up with the answer. Their report, which was published in September, is all-encompassing. Allan Cook, former Chair of HS2, joins me to talk about their recommendations and why it’s so crucial for the Government to take t…
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When Rishi Sunak stood up in a disused railway station in Manchester to announce the cancellation of HS2 to Manchester, he created something of a problem. One of the world’s most expensive railways is still being built, but will it be useful? The trains are too long for the platforms in Manchester, Birmingham will have too many platforms and Euston…
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Laura Hadzik is one of the UK’s pre-eminent specialists in Transport Law. In this week’s edition of The Freewheeling Podcast, she tells me about the dangers of badly-drafted legislation and advises how to maintain compliance while also promoting innovation. Laura isn’t only a lawyer, however. Despite being a proud Mancunian, she’s a Freeman of the …
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After what felt like a lifetime of waiting, we finally found out yesterday what was in the budget. This morning, I got together with Sir Michael Holden (former Chief Executive of Directly Operated Railways, the Government’s own train company) to discuss what it means. Join us for a wide-ranging discussion of the potential and pitfalls of this landm…
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Shin-pei Tsay has had what you would call a varied career in transport. She's worked in advocacy organisations, as an exec in Uber and now leads innovation in the City of Boston. In a wide-ranging conversation, we discuss how to make change happen, how to deliver innovation within big organisations and the importance of inclusivity of wider society…
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Pete Dyson is the author of Transport for Humans, a book with influential readers. Louise Haigh took it out of the House of Commons library and enjoyed it. I’m not surprised: Transport for Humans is essential for anyone involved in the transport and mobility sector. In our discussion, Pete explains why our focus on rigid metrics risks distracting u…
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Bernt Reitan Jenssen on Decarbonisation and The Future of transport
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56:46Bernt Reitan Jenssen is the Chief Executive of Ruter, the public transport authority for the Norwegian capital Oslo. He has a vision: for a data-driven public transport network so responsive to user needs that it replicates the freedom offered by the private car. This may sound unachievable but Ruter has a track record. They have nearly achieved to…
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Leila Zegna on Startups, Corporates and the importance of mentality
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42:11Leila Zegna is co-founder and Partner of Kindred Capital, one of the top venture capital firms in the UK. In her day job, she backs entrepreneurs with small startups but huge ambitions. She is also a Trustee of Boston Children’s Hospital and spent most of her career in Silicon Valley. So she has a great perspective on what corporates can learn from…
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This week I’m joined by a council officer. But no ordinary council officer. Colin Knight is doing something extraordinary: working with scientists and automotive engineers to develop an entirely new form of transport. When challenged by his political masters to reduce the costs of a new tram network for Coventry, Colin realised that the only way to…
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Vernon Everitt on Pace of Progress in Manchester
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40:15Vernon Everitt is Commissioner for Greater Manchester at a time of rapid (transformational?) change. Manchester is the UK’s pioneer for re-regulating buses as part of a wider integrated Bee Network, which is intended to bring together buses, bikes, trains and trams. On this week’s Freewheeling Podcast, we talk about how much has been done, what’s l…
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I bet, like me, you constantly hear references to what the Treasury thinks. “The Treasury” sometimes seems to be a person in its own right, with its own opinions and culture. How did the Treasury form its culture? How does the Treasury work? How does the Treasury think? My guest this week, Katie-Lee English, spent a year working in the Treasury and…
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Daniel Knowles on Why Cars Make Life worse
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48:16Daniel Knowles is the Midwest Editor of The Economist. But when he spoke to me from Chicago, it was not about US politics but about cars. His book Carmaggedon describes in acute, forensic detail why cars make life worse. Not just for people who don’t use them, but for people who do - and for the billions of people who currently don’t but wish they …
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Almost three years to the day since the previous episode of The Freewheeling Podcast, I'm thrilled to tell you that I'll be back next week to start Season Two. We've got a great series coming up, starting on Thursday with Daniel Knowles, author of Carmaggedon. It's a fascinating conversation - please do join me!…
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My guest this week is Chris Stark, the CEO of the Climate Change Committee. His job is to set the national carbon budget and then report to Parliament on whether we’re on track to hit net zero. Earlier this year, his committee praised the Government for its ambition in setting targets but warned that ‘time was running out’ for the delivery plans to…
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Angela Hultberg on the Climate Conference
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37:06Angela Hultberg is my first return guest on The Freewheeling Podcast. Since we last spoke she has joined the UN’s Climate Champions team preparing for the COP26 Climate Conference in Glasgow. Her remit is road transportation and she joins me to talk about how the COP process works, what we can expect from the Glasgow conference and the priorities f…
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Andrew Haines has a big task ahead of him. As well as leading Network Rail, he also has to create a completely new public body to run Britain’s railways. The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail outlined the creation of a new ‘fat controller’ organisation to manage the railways on behalf of customers, but the current CEO of Network Rail has the job of tur…
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Professor Jillian Anable on the Future of Cars
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37:06Professor Jillian Anable, of the Institute for Transport Studies at the University of Leeds, is an expert on the future of motor transport. She also has something of a track record as a forecaster: she accurately saw the trend towards SUVs coming, and fears they will be fatal to Britain’s chances of hitting its carbon targets. She tells me she is a…
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The Freewheeling Podcast has now been live for exactly six months, so let's look back at some of the highlights from the first season. I won’t be releasing new episodes in August: too many listeners are away (as are too many guests!). So here’s a 10 minute summary of some of my favourite episodes of the last six months. If you’ve dipped in and out …
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13 years ago, Simon Munk decided to take his local councillors on a bike ride to demonstrate just how dangerous the roads were for cyclists. Without knowing it, he’d kickstarted a revolution that resulted in Waltham Forest becoming a national (even global?) leader on cycling infrastructure - and led to Simon quitting his day job to become a full ti…
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In the week that the Government publishes its decarbonisation plan for transport, my guest is someone that has thought deeply about this topic. Patrick Warner is both Lead Officer for Bus Decarbonisation at Liverpool City Region and Head of Innovation for Brighton & Hove/Metrobus (one of Britain’s most forward-thinking operators). Through his resea…
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Ray Stenning claims to have designed more train and bus liveries than anyone else, ever. It seems likely to be true. His designs span the world but all typify his obsession with ‘creating desire’. He believes that design is of fundamental importance but often both misunderstood and undervalued in transport. We discuss what good design is, why it ma…
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Few people have championed buses like Katy Taylor. In an industry not renowned for rocking the boat, Katy Taylor has been a passionate advocate for the Government giving buses more support and attention. The National Bus Strategy, in part, owes its existence to Katy’s constant lobbying. Now in her last few weeks as Strategy and Customer Director at…
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Horace Dediu doesn’t just “get” micromobility, he invented the very word “Micromobility”! Back in 2015, he saw the transformational potential of small, motorised vehicles and has been championing their adoption ever since. Who better to discuss this global revolution with than the man who first saw it coming? Horace is an analyst and founder of Asy…
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Brianne Eby is an expert in transport policy who, in her role as Senior Policy Analyst at US transportation thinktank Enotrans, advises the federal Government, state Governments and local Governments. Last year she did a major piece of research into congestion pricing but we also talk about the wider environment for change in public transport globa…
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Charles Read on History, crises and change
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32:49Charles Read teaches economics and history at Cambridge University. His areas of interest include pandemics, famines, financial crises and, on a brighter note, all things related to transport. Trains, planes, ships and cars have fascinated him since an early age. Recently, he has written several articles about the future of transport after covid-19…
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My guest Dyan Crowther has run a traditional rail franchise, a non-revenue risk rail franchise, a region of Network Rail and now leads Britain’s only High Speed line at HS1. With experience of such a mix of incentives, systems and structures, she is the ideal person to talk to about running a railway in the post-Williams era.…
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Professor Alex Edmans on Purpose in Business
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38:30Should companies have a wider purpose? Professor Alex Edmans has written extensively on why capitalism is the best way to grow the pie for everyone, but how companies can only succeed with a wider social purpose. The tensions between public and private are a constant feature of transport and in today's discussion we explore the role of wider corpor…
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