There’s the official story. And then there’s the truth. The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative. Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart cas ...
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42: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story part five - Pier Hess Graf
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30:00In Episode five, host Mel Barrett, goes on a deep dive into the prosecutor in Veronika's case: Pier Hess Graf Pier Hess Graf didn’t just prosecute the alleged victim in this case, she went hard at Veronika Rodriguez, asking for up to 16 years in prison for reporting her own sexual assault. I wonder where that kind of resentment and unrelenting spit…
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41: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story Part Four - Fahad Pervez
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1:20:21In this episode of The In Between Podcast, Mel spends an hour discussing the alleged assault of Veronika Rodriguez with the man she accused...Fahad Pervez Please share. Veronika's sentencing happens on August 20, 2025 so sharing this episode helps get the word out about what really happened in her case. Back story: Veronika Rodriguez reported her r…
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40: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story Part Three - Investigating the Investigators
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42:42In this episode of The In Between Podcast, Mel goes on a deep dive into the investigation and even manages to score an interview with an elusive guest. Please share. Veronika's sentencing happens on August 20, 2025 so sharing this episode helps get the word out about what really happened in her case. Back story: Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape…
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39: DARK WEEK: Revisiting Live Free or Die: The Pamela Smart Story
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27:32This is a dark week for TIBP, as Mel is currently investigating the Veronika Rodriguez case which is very much a living, breathing story. A new episode about Veronika’s story will air next tuesday, August 5, 2025. Season One of TIBP, which re-investigates the Pamela Smart case, didn’t just revisit a high-profile trial—Mel's reporting uncovered new …
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38: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story - An Update
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8:18It's getting wild. Here's an update about the case. This one's important. Please listen, share, rate, review. Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape to police. She even had evidence to prove it happened. Still police didn't believe her and turned her from victim, to accused, to convicted. Mel hadn’t planned to make a several episode push about one su…
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37: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, Part Two - Veronika
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36:21In part two of the Veronika Rodriguez Story, Mel digs into who Veronika is and how she got caught up in the fight for her life and liberty. Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape to police. She even had evidence to prove it happened. Still police didn't believe her and turned her from victim, to accused, to convicted. Mel hadn’t planned to make a sev…
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36: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story
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29:21Host, Mel Barrett, is bringing you another case that will blow your mind. Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape to police. She even had evidence to prove it happened. Still police didn't believe her and turned her from victim, to accused, to convicted. Mel hadn’t planned to make a several episode push about one subject in between seasons, but this s…
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To email Pam your condolences, go to SecurusTech.net and add Pam as a contact. Here's her info: PAMELA SMART 93G0356 Bedford Hills Correctional Facility You'll have to pay for stamps, but it's a minimal cost. If you'd like to donate to Pam's legal fight, donate here: https://www.payit2.com/f/supportpamelasmart All the money raised goes to Pam's leg…
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34: Murder in Canton - The Retrial of Karen Read - The Finale
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26:12Join host, Mel Barrett, as she wraps up the Karen Read case, analyzes the post trial media, discusses what's next for the investigation and her own work on other cases. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_sou…
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33: SPECIAL DROP - The Readathon NOT GUILTY
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46:01Rebecca + Kevin from Crime Writers On and your host, Mel break down what happened on the final day of the Karen Read retrial - including a wild thing that happened in a parking lot in Dedham.By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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31: Murder in Canton - Week Eight of the Retrial of Karen Read - CLOSING ARGUMENTS
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19:17Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week eight. The defense rests. Shockingly the Commonwealth doesn't offer a rebuttal and closing arguments keep us riveted before the jury gets the case. We'll have a verdict any day now. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus cont…
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30: **INTRODUCING: Crime Seen #Cybersleuths: The Idaho Murders
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1:09:47In this special episode drop, host Mel Barrett introduces Crime Seen, a true crime review podcast that gets to the heart of how true crime stories are told with hosts Mari Forth & Sarah Carradine. Mel was a recent guest on the show and discussed the Pamela Smart case in some depth as well as the true crime documentary, #Cybersleuths: The Idaho Murd…
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29: Murder in Canton - Week Seven of the Retrial of Karen Read
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17:57Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week seven. The defense is well into their case while one cop loses her mind and another switches sides. Also those gross texts from Michael Proctor make another appearance. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In…
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28: CALL-TO-ACTION Pamela Smart name-dropped in the NH House of Representatives
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5:11The state of New Hampshire keeps doing what they've done for 35 years...hating on Pamela Smart. Want to start changing minds? Link to NH Bulletin Article: https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2025/06/05/republicans-pass-parental-rights-bills-as-democrats-allege-children-will-be-harmed/ Link to Rep DeSimone's NH Rep page: https://gc.nh.gov/house/members…
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27: Murder in Canton - Week Six of the Retrial of Karen Read
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34:32Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week six and as you might expect from the Commonwealth...they introduce another tedious witness, their last, Dr. Judson Welcher. And the Commonwealth rests! Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Re…
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26: **BONUS** UPDATE ON PAMELA SMART'S PETITION FOR COMMUTATION
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23:25Governor Kelly Ayotte and the state of New Hampshire have again rejected Pamela Smart's petition for commutation, but this time...they didn't even give her a hearing. Hear Pam's reaction in this episode. PAYIT2 Legal Fund: https://www.payit2.com/f/supportpamelasmart Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In…
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25: Murder in Canton - Week Five of the Retrial of Karen Read
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12:17Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week five, a short week for time, but not drama. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the convers…
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24: **BONUS** EXONERATION Samantha and Jules Werkheiser's Story
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1:10:47On this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett has an unfiltered and emotional discussion with Samantha and Jules Werkheiser, two women incarcerated with Pamela Smart, who were wrongfully convicted of child sexual assault. Their story is a cautionary tale and they're using their time as exonerated women to make a difference in our legal system…
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23: Murder in Canton - Week Four Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
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30:01Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week four and it's drama filled, even though witnesses and evidence are pretty technical and dry. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regul…
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**UPDATE** Karen Read Retrial Recap Late Release
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0:38Hey y'all, it's your host, Mel Barrett with a programming note. Week four of Murder in Canton The Retrial of Karen Read will drop tomorrow before 12p est. Sorry for the delay, but I'm coming at you with two episodes this week. Can't wait to share. Thanks for your patience!By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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22: Murder in Canton - Week Three Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
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26:04Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week three and it's all about the investigation with two days focused on Massachusetts State Police Sergeant Yuri Bukhenik. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new t…
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**BONUS** The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie from Crime Writers ON
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52:00Listen to your host, Mel Barrett on The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie from Crime Writers On! Mel will be joining Rebecca Lavoie and sometimes Kevin Flynn from Crime Writers On on their hit show, The Readathon, where they will discuss the daily goings on in the Retrial of Karen Read. Rebecca’s been covering this case for a long time and they’ve got …
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21: Murder in Canton - Week Two Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
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37:01Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week two and it's full of drama and a whole lot of different views on how this all went down. Plus, Judge Beverly Canone makes a HUGE decision on a pending motion that could change the outcome of this trial. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and …
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20: Murder in Canton - Week One Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
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19:14Join Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in retrial of Karen Read. This is week one and it started with a bang! Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the conversation here: https://www.patreon.com/colle…
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19: DEEP DIVE The Investigation and (first) Trial of Karen Read
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1:16:15Host Mel Barrett goes on a mega deep dive into the investigation and first trial of Karen Read on the eve of her retrial. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the conversation here: https://www.patreon.com/coll…
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18: **UPDATE: New EARLY Episode Coming This Monday AND Mel B Joins Crime Writer's On The Readathon to Cover the New Karen Read Trial
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0:43An important update. Expect a big episode out on Monday, April 21, 2025 in anticipation of opening statements in the second Karen Read Trial starting on Tuesday, April 22, 2025. Also! Host of The In Between Podcast, Mel Barrett joins Crime Writers On The Readathon to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join t…
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17: A Mother on Death Row: Darlie Routier's Sister Tells Her Story
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42:45In a candid and emotional interview, Mel speaks with Darlie Routier's youngest sister, Danelle, about her sister, the night of the crime, and her family's belief that Darlie is wrongfully convicted of murdering her two young boys.By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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16: **UPDATE - New Episode out Wednesday 04/16
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0:51Just a quick update from host, Mel Barrett. Today's scheduled episode fell victim to the tech Gods, but not to worry, you'll have Mel's interview with Darlie Routier's sister, Danelle tomorrow.By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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15: A Mother on Death Row: The Darlie Routier Story
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24:21On a quiet night in June 1996, the affluent suburb of Rowlett, Texas, was rocked by a brutal crime: 6-year-old Devon and 5-year-old Damon Routier were stabbed to death while sleeping in the family’s living room. Their mother, Darlie Routier, claimed an intruder broke in and attacked them all. But when investigators dug deeper, suspicion turned towa…
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14: *BONUS* Sam Nordquist's Family Tells Their Story
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27:33In this episode of The In Between Podcast, host Mel Barrett speaks at length with Sam Nordquist's mother and sister about the months leading up to Sam's disappearance and heinous murder and what happens next.By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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13: Missing Tortured Murdered - The Story of Sam Nordquist
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18:07Sam Nordquist was a typical twenty-four year-old guy. He loved TikTok, his family and friends, and animals. And like so many of us, Sam found love online. After a short period of dating, Sam traveled from his home state of Minnesota to meet his love, Precious Arzuaga, a thirty-eight year-old single mother, whom he hoped to start a life with. But Sa…
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12: *BONUS* A Conversation with Pamela Smart, Mel Barrett & Ellyn Marsh
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1:25:55Pamela Smart answers various questions and discusses an appeal and what's next. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes content? Join our exclusive TIBP community here: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creat…
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Mel talks at length with someone very close to the case and the boys who perpetrated the murder, Raymond's brother, Robert. Robert goes into detail about what happened the night of the murder when the boys came back to his home and what it was like in the months leading up to the trial, including his thoughts on Pam Smart and her sentence. Want to …
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Even Manson had the option of parole. Mel speaks further with the Sentencing Project and a Democratic Representative from NH who is introducing a new bill that might offer the opportunity of parole for Pamela Smart. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our exclusive TIBP community her…
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Mel got the chance to catch up with Pam, which gave her an opportunity to respond to the podcast so far. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and behind-the-scenes? Join our exclusive TIBP community here: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=c…
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The media's role in creating the trope of the "manipulative ice princess" and how that categorization found Pam Smart's family desperately searching to find their daughter and sister within the prison system when she went missing during the first two years of her Life Without Parole Sentence. Listen to find out where she was and why her family coul…
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For fourteen days in March of 1991, the country and much of the world was riveted by a court case in a tiny New Hampshire town called, Exeter. The Pamela Smart Accomplice to Murder Trial. Perhaps everyone was so enthralled by the spectacle they missed the very real possibility of a miscarriage of justice, but there's the tape and transcripts. Mel …
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This episode wasn't planned, but Mel felt compelled to share it when she FINALLY tracked down one of the key players in this story, and he spent an hour with her. This is the only episode in the series that is comprised of an interview with a source. Listen to find out why. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, a…
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The wire taps were the only physical evidence against Pamela Smart, so the questions remain: Was Pamela Smart acting when she was recorded by the Derry Police and Cecelia Pierce? She says she was. Were the wiretaps edited or spliced? Forensic audiologists say yes. Who transcribed the tapes? The prosecutor says some "secretary" in the Attorney Gener…
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Only one of the five teens involved in planning and carrying out the murder of Gregg Smart on May 1, 1990 was never charged and never served a day behind bars. Cecelia Pierce. In this episode, Mel goes on another deep dive to figure out why. She even comes across some potentially new evidence...if she can figure out where it exists. Want to listen …
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The In Between Podcast is hosting a Live Virtual Event Tuesday, Jan 14th!
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1:03Hi friends! It’s Mel Barrett, the host of The In Between Podcast, coming at you with a very big announcement. On Tuesday, January 14th at 5:45 pm EST, Ellyn Marsh from I Think Not and Rabia and Ellyn Solve the Case, and I will be co-hosting a live event on the Grab Bag Collab Patreon for our “Behind the Scenes” and up tiers about my first season of…
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Mel takes you on a deep, deep dive into the teens involved in the murder and who they were at the time, and beyond. Was there a reason behind Bill Flynn's emotions on the stand? What did they actually do to Pam's dog? Listener discretion is advised. You've been warned. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIVES, VIDEO, and be…
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Pam is angry. The men who pulled the trigger and killed her husband are out. They’ve been out for almost a decade while she still sits in prison without any possibility of parole. But Pam has been angry for nearly 34 years. Her anger is part of how we think of her, how we remember her. Want to listen AD FREE and get access to bonus content like LIV…
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In this debut episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett takes you back to May 1990, when Gregg Smart was brutally murdered in the condo he shared with his young wife, Pamela Smart. Just down the road, a 15-year-old Mel listened closely as her family and neighbors confidently discussed the case: Pamela, they believed, had manipulated her 16-year-o…
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Host Mel Barrett investigates a famous murder case that has split the community in her home state of New Hampshire right down the middle for thirty-four years. It’s a closed case, but based on what Mel uncovers this season in old police files (including surreptitiously recorded wiretaps), never before heard interviews, and a bombshell post trial in…
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