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Billboard-charting band the Doubleclicks are tired of getting song ideas from strangers on the Internet. So they started a podcast where they give each other song ideas—and by the end of the podcast, there's a new song! "You Should Write A Song About That" is a peek behind the curtain, a sibling conversation, and a podcast that uploads when we can!
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Not Real Men

Laser Webber and Colin Buckingham

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Starting Jan 1, 2025! A podcast about masculinity at the intersection of queerness, ability, comedy, and love. Hosted by musician-comedian Laser Webber (the Doubleclicks) and writer-model-actor Colin Buckingham!
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Outsider Inc.

Ian Hathaway

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Outsider Inc. is dedicated to visionary leaders breaking the mold of tech entrepreneurship. Hosted by Ian Hathaway—co-author of The Startup Community Way: Evolving an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem and co-founder of seed-stage venture capital firm FOVC—each episode delivers exclusive interviews and insider insights from exceptional founders building generation-defining companies. Join us for an in-depth exploration into the real-life stories of entrepreneurs from unexpected places and backgrounds ...
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Gosh Darn Fiasco

The Doubleclicks

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Laser and his friends from the world of gaming and comedy sit down to play a game of Fiasco, and improvise a brand-new story full of conflict, hilarity and almost certain death.
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In this episode of Outsider, Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Kevin O'Connor, co-founder of DoubleClick, former CEO of Graphiq, and Founder and General Partner at ScOp Venture Capital. Kevin shares insights from his remarkable career, starting from his early curiosity in electronics to forego a career as a research scientist and instead spearhead…
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On this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway sits down with Jason Seats, Co-Founder of Slicehost, former Chief Investment Officer of Techstars, and a pioneer in the startup and cloud computing worlds. Jason details his journey from co-founding the game-changing cloud infrastructure company, Slicehost, to mentoring and investing in early-stag…
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On this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Linda Rottenberg, co-founder and CEO of Endeavor, the global organization supporting high-impact entrepreneurs in emerging markets. Linda shares her unique insights on the benefits of chaos over stability for entrepreneurship, her journey from an unlikely start in Latin America to creat…
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In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway sits down with Wade Foster, co-founder and CEO of Zapier, an automation platform valued at $5 billion. Wade discusses his unique path to success, starting from a typical middle-class environment in Missouri, leveraging lessons from early marketing roles, and winning a local hackathon with his init…
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In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Michael Prager, co-founder and CEO of AvidXchange. Michael shares his entrepreneurial journey from founding early ventures to building AvidXchange into a leader in FinTech, processing $200 billion in annual payments. He discusses the importance of starting small, focusing on solving spe…
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On this inaugural episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway talks with Scott Dorsey, co-founder and former CEO of ExactTarget. Scott shares his journey from founding ExactTarget in 2000, through its $2.5 billion acquisition by Salesforce in 2013, to his current efforts in fostering entrepreneurship in Indianapolis via HighAlpha. Their discussion …
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Introducing Outsider Inc., the podcast that dives into the untold stories of visionary leaders from unexpected places and backgrounds who broke the mold of tech entrepreneurship to build generation-defining companies. In each episode, host Ian Hathaway facilitates a conversation that reveals how founders turned early setbacks into stepping stones, …
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We're joined this episode by friend, musician, writer Tony Gonzales, and Colin, Laser, and Tony all have to accept compliments. We also talk about body image, religious trauma, and some very ignorant dwarfism commentary all across this great internet of ours. Tony also tells us about the matriarchy that raised him, and Laser talks about an anime he…
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On our fifth episode, hosts Laser and Colin reflect on how the past year since recording began has shaped them and their views on masculinity, and how vital these conversations feel in our current political climate. Also the verdict is in: Boys kissing? Yay. Cards Against Humanity with the cis-hets? Nay. We've also got hot takes on justice, autism,…
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This week, Colin and Laser answer YOUR questions regarding the relationship between testosterone and libido, the link between communication, consent and pleasure... and add in some truly awful puns for good measure! It's a very sexy episode over here on Not Real Men! Other topics include: Kurt Cobain, broccoli, bottom growth, safety words, stereoty…
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We're joined this episode by bestselling author, podcaster and voice actor Travis McElroy! #travnation Together we dig deep into the overlap between neurodivergence and masculine traits, self-expression when men's fashion is so often "blah", and the real difference between men and women's restrooms. Other topics of note this episode include: Sigma …
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This week, Colin and Laser are joined by actor and storyteller Dan Prevette (on Instagram at @danprevette) to discuss puberty, masculine urges, and how hot it is when women who could easily kick our ass (but don't)! Also discussed: bro-downs, spaghetti, the scientific method, Lady Dimitrescu, demi-sexuality, Grease: The Musical and a and a genuine …
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In Not Real Men's inaugural episode, Colin and Laser dig deep into the inherent value of the thirst trap, the responsibility to not be a creep in DM's, finding humor in the horrifying, and what merits a single masculine tear to roll down our cheeks. Other hot topics include: chasers, virtue signaling, f*ckboys, stoicism, anaphylactic shock, and how…
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Ramsey McGrory started his career in the U.S. Army and later found himself at the mighty DoubleClick in 1999 at the peak of the dot-com boom as an ad sales exec “banging the phones” selling direct-response ads to finance and insurance companies. He joined the seminal Right Media in 2004 as VP of platform and ad sales, staying on after Yahoo acquire…
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Daniel Jaye was co-founder in 1995 of Engage, a pioneer in bringing database marketing to the internet. A competitor of DoubleClick, Engage built arguably the largest database of pseudonymous profiles at the time, and Daniel and his team created innovative technologies for ETL, large-scale analytics and behavioral targeting. Daniel was also the man…
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Adam Singolda is the Founder and CEO of Taboola, a performance-focused advertising company he started in 2007 after spending seven years as a cryptological engineer in the Israeli Defense Forces. Today, Taboola is a public company with 2023 revenues of $1.4 billion (and growing nicely), around 2,000 employees in 22 countries, 18,000 advertiser cust…
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Greg joined DoubleClick in 1998 as a product manager after a stop in management consulting, and he became passionate about the early retargeting solution for advertisers called Boomerang. In 2005, he founded dynamic retargeting company EchoTarget, which was acquired by Acxiom in 2007. Today he is GM North America at Aniview, an Israel-based video m…
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Jason was the co-founder with his fellow Yahoo veteran Tim Cadogan of OpenX, a pioneering ad server and then programmatic exchange that launched in 2008. Today he is co-founder and CEO of tvScientific, a CTV-oriented programmatic platform. Jason began his journey in business development in Southern California at one of the original ISPs, Earthlink,…
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John is President at Mediaocean and former CEO of Flashtalking, which Mediaocean acquired in 2021 for a reported $500 million. He led [x+1] into Rocket Fuel and MMA before that — and his real #PaleoAdTech cred was acquired during his time at legendary Modem Media in the mid-1990s, when he was involved with the very first paid ad campaign on the int…
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Jonah Goodhart is a co-founder of Montauk Labs, a technology venture studio. Jonah was the CEO and co-founder of Moat (acquired by Oracle in 2017), founding investor of Right Media (acquired by Yahoo in 2007), and co-founder of WGI Group, an entrepreneur investment fund. Goodhart was a recipient of the Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year award i…
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Katrin was a co-founder of Datorama in 2012, and the platform was acquired by Salesforce in 2018 for a reported $800 million. Datorama built an innovative data aggregation, transformation and visualization engine that allowed digital marketers to understand campaigns holistically and in detail, and to optimize ROAS. It proved particularly attractiv…
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Andy was VP of pricing and yield management at Yahoo and helped lead a revamp and professionalization of the portal’s approach to pricing and selling ads. He brought on both Rapt (via our previous guest Tom Chavez) and Right Media (via Brian O’Kelley) to improve yield management and to gain access to demand on RM’s exchange. After Yahoo, Andy co-fo…
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Jeff was founder and CRO of the FastClick ad network, acquired by ValueClick. He was later the CRO and then CEO at AudienceScience, which may have invented the DMP for clients WSJ and P&G. He was also CMO at SundaySky and Chief Commercial Officer at Pubmatic. Today he is a strategic advisor with Pubmatic, based in NY. Jeff spent the dawn of the int…
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Mike Yavonditte is the CEO and co-founder of Yieldmo, an advertising platform specializing in mobile, optimization and curation. He was formerly CEO of Quigo, an innovative semantic ad network that built a formidable competitor to Google’s AdSense and was acquired by AOL in 2007 for a reported $340 million. Before that, he worked at Alta Vista and …
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Tom co-founded the Data Management Platform (DMP) Krux in 2010, and it was acquired by Salesforce in 2016 and became part of its Marketing Cloud. Before Krux, Tom co-founded a company called Rapt in the late 1990s, a yield-management optimization platform that sold into supply chain providers before making a hard pivot into advertising, managing pu…
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Ari Paparo is a well-known ad tech influencer, blogger, fellow podcast host, serial entrepreneur, raconteur and man-about-town in his longtime home of Manhattan. He worked in product management at DoubleClick, AppNexus and Nielsen – and was the CEO and co-founder of Beeswax, which was acquired by Comcast’s Freewheel division in 2020 for an undisclo…
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Lee was the first head of marketing at DoubleClick, hired by co-founder Kevin O’Connor in 1996 as employee #17 with a mandate to help the other 16 people meet Kevin’s vision-quest to “dominate internet advertising.” The startup had been clicked-off barely two years earlier in the basement of O’Connor’s home in suburban Alpharetta, Georgia. These da…
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Omar Tawakol launches his new venture today – it’s called Rembrand (“without the T”), an AI (of course)-driven platform for virtual video product placement. Think of it as a native format for video to replace overtly interruptive last-gen experiences, particularly for creator and short-form video. Jill and Marty were honored to be included among a …
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Ana Milicevic was a seasoned product manager in New York City in 2009 when she joined a wily data management startup called Demdex, which was then swirling around a programmatic audience-building space soon labeled Data Management Platform (DMP). Within two years, Adobe acquired Demdex and folded it into its emerging ad tech and data suite as Adobe…
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Wes was the co-founder with Jon Vein of the marketing and media analytics platform MarketShare, founded in 2006 and sold to Neustar in 2015 for a reported $450 million. At the time, its annual revenues were about $60 million and customers included MasterCard, Intel and Twitter. Wes is currently a Partner at March Capital, based in L.A., and is a Bo…
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Brian Andersen is the Co-Founder — with Terry Kawaja — and the Head of Digital Marketing Investment Banking at LUMA Partners, a small but mighty I-bank that is the premiere boutique operating at the luminescent nexus of digital media and marketing technology. Founded in 2010, LUMA is the best-known bespoke advisory service in ad- and mar-tech, runn…
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David Wamsley was the co-founder and CEO of an innovative platform called AdAuction.com, which procured remnant inventory from a group of publishers including Match.com and eBay and sold it in an eBay-like declining-price auction. The company launched in the fall of 1997, was folded into a B2B company called OneMediaPlace by a group of investors in…
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We welcome Brian back for the third (and – for now – final) episode on his revelatory career, from his days as a high-school entrepreneur and javelin-tosser in Eugene, Oregon to his college career as a comp-sci major at Princeton and then co-founder of a dot-com Ticketmaster-manque called LA2Nite.com (in episode one); through his key role in buildi…
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Larry Braitman was co-founder of Flycast, a dot-com-era digital ad network known for its direct-response focus, lower entry costs for advertisers and publishers, relative ease of use and optimization, and explicit embrace of what the Wall Street Journal called remnant (or unsold) inventory. Larry founded Flycast — named for his co-founder Richard T…
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Jay was the founder of a very early ad network called WebConnect, in the second half of 1995, that was notable for taking a then-unusual but prescient stance against the use of third-party cookies for “tracking” — a business decision that Jay admits “was wrong,” ultimately forcing WebConnect to transform into an email-focused services shop. Today J…
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Jim Jorgensen is a prolific serial entrepreneur and co-founder of a well-known dot-com advertising startup called AllAdvantage. The company paid people to surf the web as part of a multi-level marketing program. Launched in April, 1999, without a product, it ultimately raised $175 million from blue-chip VCs and was on track to go public in March 20…
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Shawn is the Founder and CEO of Basis Technologies, aka Centro, and a well-known figure on the ad tech circuit for two decades. He started the company back in 2001 with the vision of being a comprehensive, automated and intelligent software platform for digital media, focused on mid-market agencies and brands. In his spare time he’s an activist for…
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Matt worked at the LA-based ad network L90 and then in DRTV before co-founding the pioneering search agency Resolution Media in Chicago in 2003. Resolution was acquired by Omnicom in 2005, and Matt went on to become CEO at Omnicom Media Group Digital, ultimately helping to launch and lead Omnicom’s Accuen programmatic trading desk. Leaving Omnicom …
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Joseph started in mar-tech at Experian before joining Datalogix in 2012. Working for Eric Roza and based in New York, he was with DLX — as it is known in the industry — through many ups and downs on its way to a reported $1.1 billion acquisition by Oracle in 2014. Post acquisition, Joseph worked with the Oracle Data Cloud team until 2019, when he l…
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Lynda Clarizio is an attorney-turned-ad tech exec who was a leader at AOL for a decade, running its consumer web sites, ad sales and operations, and its Platform-A rollup. She later ran Invision and Nielsen’s US media business. She’s co-founder of The 98, an early stage venture fund advising and investing in tech businesses founded by women. Growin…
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Part 2 of an ongoing conversation with Brian O’Kelley, one of the most influential people in the last two decades of ad tech. He led the technology team at Right Media that launched the first real exchange for ad networks. After Right Media was sold to Yahoo in the eventful year of 2007, Brian co-founded AppNexus, a pioneer in programmatic advertis…
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Part 1 of a multi-part conversation with Brian O’Kelley, one of the most influential people in the last two decades of ad tech. He led the technology team at Right Media that launched the first real exchange for ad networks. After Right Media was sold to Yahoo in the eventful year of 2007, Brian co-founded AppNexus, a pioneer in real-time bidding. …
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