The Refuse Fascism podcast is an independent and all-volunteer show that produces weekly episodes that expose, analyze, and oppose the very real danger and threat of fascism coming to power in the United States. Hosted by Sam Goldman, produced by volunteers with Refuse Fascism.
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Freedom Over Fascism is hosted by Dr. Stephanie Gerber Wilson. She talks with people who are working to win the information war that's part of the fight for freedom and power. She also explores talking about politics without talking about politics. The podcast was founded January 2023 and is now part of the Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Politics, culture, and public policy from the left. Stay alive another week. w/ Beatrice Adler-Bolton, Artie Vierkant, Phil Rocco and Jules Gill-Peterson. https://www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod
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June 14: Trump’s Military Parade Must Be Opposed
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42:06Call to act: JUNE 14:TRUMP'S MILITARY PARADE MUST BE OPPOSED! DEMONSTRATE in Washington, D.C and nationwide This episode includes excerpts from The RNL (Revolution Nothing Less) Show. To hear the full episode this was taken from, visit YouTube. Mentioned in this episode: Beware: We Are Entering a New Phase of the Trump Era by M Gessen Trump adminis…
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Refuse, Resist, Ridicule: Anne-christine d'Adesky on using humor to fight fascism (Substack Live)
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50:33In this inaugural live episode of 'Freedom Over Fascism,' host Stephanie Wilson engages in a deep conversation with writer, journalist, and longtime activist Anne-christine d'Adesky. They delve into the critical role humor can play in resistance and opposition to authoritarian regimes. Anne-christine shares anecdotes and effective strategies for no…
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Mad World w/ Micha Frazer-Carroll (Re-Air)
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1:20:30Note: This episode was originally released August 31st, 2023 and is being re-aired today as we continue to adjust to our return from parental leave. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpodBeatrice speaks with Micha Frazer-Carroll about her book Mad World: The Politics of Me…
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84. Stephanie talks to Ben Rhodes on Democracy, Authoritarianism, and Global Trends
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1:02:55Ben Rhodes on Democracy, Authoritarianism, and Global Trends In this episode of Freedom Over Fascism, host Stephanie Wilson and guest co-interviewer Kami Kovan engage in a comprehensive discussion with Ben Rhodes, former aide to Barack Obama, on the state of democracy and global politics. Rhodes shares insights from his experience and books, highli…
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Teaser - The Pro-Infection Presidency w/ Jane Thomason (06/02/25)
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16:38Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130544835Beatrice speaks with Jane Thomason of National Nurses United (NNU) about the Trump administration’s disbanding of the CDC’s HICPAC committee, the body that oversees infection control practices across the healthcare industry — and a c…
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Refusing Genocide, from Palestine to Pandemic w/ Rasha Abdulhadi (Re-Air)
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1:15:06Note: We are back from parental leave! This episode was originally released September 27th, 2024 and is being re-aired today in solidarity with Palestine, and to be able to re-share Rasha's guided reflection near the end of the discussion (beginning 44:55). To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.pa…
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Teaser - Here Come the Long Knives (05/26/25)
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24:05Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/129947873Beatrice and Artie discuss the “GOP Murder Bill” just passed in the House of Representatives, with a particular focus on why adding work requirements to Medicaid is so dangerous, and how brazen the attacks on trans care are under the…
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RFK, Health Capitalism and the Myths of Wellness (Re-Air)
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1:27:38Note: We are back from parental leave! This episode was originally released for patrons November 18, 2024 and is being re-aired today with a new brief intro from Artie at the top of the episode. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpodOriginal description:Beatrice and Artie …
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Teaser - There Is No Place For Us w/ Brian Goldstone (05/19/25)
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27:54Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/129388051Beatrice Adler-Bolton and Tracy Rosenthal speak with Brian Goldstone about how we intentionally undercount the homeless in America, and what life looks like for those that don’t make the official count; the myths of homelessness and …
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“We Are Responsible for Each Other” — Building Solidarity to Defeat Fascism Together
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1:12:47We share clips from speeches at protests Refuse Fascism organized around the country this past week demanding Trump Must Go NOW! Then, Sam talks with Carlos Álvarez Aranyos, founder of AmericanOpposition.org, a non-profit, non-connected political action committee created to counter the rise of fascism in the United States of America. For more foot…
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Nathan Tanks the Economy: An Oral History of 100 Days of DOGE w/ Nathan Tankus (Unlocked)
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2:31:09Note: We are back from parental leave! This episode was originally released May 5th for Death Panel patrons and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpodBeatrice speaks with Nathan Tankus to walk through an oral history of the early…
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Jason Sattler, LOLGOP, author of The Farce on opposing fascism with anger and hope
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46:24In this episode of 'Freedom Over Fascism,' recorded live on Monday, May 12, 2025, host Stephanie Wilson speaks with Jason Sattler, also known as LOLGOP. They discuss the interplay of hope and anger in activism, the importance of informed action, and the challenges and strategies of fighting fascism in America. The conversation delves into the signi…
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Teaser - Health Fascism Descends (05/12/25)
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26:46Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/128800850Beatrice, Artie and Phil review the early months of the second Trump administration’s “Make America Healthy Again” agenda, with health agencies undergoing mass purges, Medicaid cuts looming, millions declared administratively “dead” …
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Intent and Atrocity: Dr. Raz Segal on Gaza, Genocide and the Machinery of Fascism
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58:59Sam provides updates on the Trump regime discussing ending the foundational right to Habeas Corpus, plus the ominous arrest of Newark, NJ Mayor Ras Baraka, and the expanding and intensifying cruelty of Trump’s ICE agents. Then, she talks with Dr. Raz Segal, Program Director, Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies & Associate Professor of …
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Menace to the Future w/ Jess Whatcott (Unlocked)
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1:07:43Note: We are back from parental leave! This episode was originally released January 27th for Death Panel patrons and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpodBeatrice speaks with Jess Whatcott about the ideological links between inc…
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Aviv Russ: Inspiring people to imagine a better future and make it so without talking about politics
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34:58Aviv Russ joins Stephanie on Freedom Over Fascism to discuss the intersection of narrative, strategy, and culture. They delve into widening our perspective in a world fraught with instability, finding joy and creativity in the midst of chaos, and the importance of imagining a future where everyone thrives. Touching upon themes like resilience, the …
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The Danger Is Real. So Is Our Power to Stop It.
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51:51This week we’re sharing some excerpts of remarks from Andy Zee and Sam Goldman from the regional assemblies last week along with Coco Das speaking in Houston on May 1. Salute to everyone across the country in the streets on May 1! Thursday May 15: PROTEST at the US SUPREME COURT Washington DC 9:00 AM HANDS OFF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP! In the Name of…
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Teaser - Nathan Tanks the Economy: An Oral History of 100 Days of DOGE w/ Nathan Tankus (05/05/25)
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37:33Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/128245289Beatrice speaks with Nathan Tankus to walk through an oral history of the early months of DOGE's ongoing infiltration of the Treasury payments system and Social Security, why the "Trump-Musk Payments Crisis" threatens a bigger fundam…
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Let This Radicalize You w/ Mariame Kaba & Kelly Hayes (May Day Re-Air)
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1:34:45Note: We are back from parental leave! This episode was originally released May 18th, 2023. We are re-airing it today to celebrate May Day, as Artie explains in a brief intro at the top of the episode. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpodOriginal description:Beatrice spe…
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80. Laura Brill, CEO Civics Center. Get 'em young. Keep 'em voting.
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47:07Stephanie speaks with Laura W. Brill, CEO of the Civics Center, which wants every high school to provide voter reg and pre-reg for our newest voters.Four million high schoolers graduate every year, and Laura Brill is on a mission to make sure they’re all registered to vote. Because when young people register, they vote at about 75%. In every genera…
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Teaser - Sick Sad World w/ Vicky Osterweil (04/28/25)
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19:36Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/127684119Beatrice speaks with Vicky Osterweil about some of the major events that happened during our parental leave—from Trump’s kidnapping of protesters for political speech to the proposed autism registry—and what the first months of Trump…
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Academics Speak out Against Fascism
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1:14:54Visit RefuseFascism.org for additional resources and links relevant to this episode. It was great to see many listeners of the pod in the streets last week, including in Washington DC where the demand Trump Must Go NOW was brought to the gates of the White House. The fascist Trump regime has universities in their sights and are moving against stude…
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Mask Bans Are Everyone’s Fight (Re-Air)
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1:32:50Note: We are back from parental leave! This episode was originally released August 22nd, 2024. We are re-airing it today in light of New York Governor Kathy Hochul's ongoing push to force a mask ban through New York state budget negotiations, as Artie explains in a brief intro at the top of the episode. Please note that the county-level mask ban di…
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(We're BACK!) - Teaser - Love in a Fucked Up World w/ Dean Spade (04/21/25)
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19:08Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/127162993Beatrice speaks with Dean Spade about holding together political coalitions, friendships, and organizing partnerships in the face of a culture of disposability and a world on fire.Note: We're back! Thank you to everyone for all the w…
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We’re In It Now: Trump Defies the Courts, Targets Us All
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1:02:32Shout out to everyone in the streets yesterday saying Trump Must Go NOW! After a short recap from Sam of the terrifying events of the past week (Trump is directly flaunting the Supreme Court ruling that Kilmar Abrego Garcia must be brought home, and threatening to send “homegrown” people to the torture prison / death camp in El Salvador that he’s b…
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79. Kevin M. Levin: Memory, Forgetting, Obscuring: Book Banning to the Erasure of History
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38:24Stephanie talks to Kevin M. Levin, public historian and writer of the substack Civil War Memory about the book ban at the Naval Academy at Annapolis, the scrubbing of websites and museums in the national parks, and the importance of how we tell the story of the past. The way we talk about the past gives us a picture into what we believe in the pres…
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This episode was originally released for patrons on February 10th, and we are unlocking it today as threats to cut Medicaid and Social Security have only grown louder and more explicit since it was recorded (and as our central comments on the nature of "waste, fraud and abuse" rhetoric remain, unfortunately, enduringly relevant). We're back from ou…
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Teaser - State Building, Development Ideology and Debt in the West Bank w/ Kareem Rabie
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20:14Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/126650833Beatrice speaks with Kareem Rabie about how capitalist visions for “the day after” ceasefire often rely on economic development projects that act as an extension of settler colonialism, Rabie’s research on housing development project…
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This week Sam discusses: deporting students for their ideas, Trump locking away hundreds in a torture prison in El Salvador, SCOTUS rubber-stamping use of Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelans, installing concentration camps along the U.S/Mexico border; you know, fascism. Then she interviews artists who are using their talents in the fight agains…
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78. Antonia Scatton, Messaging Expert and Author of Reframing America
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46:35Stephanie talks to Antonia Scatton, author of the podcast Reframing America and protege of George Lakoff who talks about making sure our messaging is on our terms, in our language. She says, "Fact-checking and debunking myths almost always spreads the disinformation we are trying to defeat. They trick us into delivering their messages beyond their …
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Beatrice and Phil speak with lifelong activist William Bronston about his experiences trying to take down the infamous Willowbrook institution from within as a young doctor, his appeal to replace “long term care” with “lifetime care," and how his work towards deinstitutionalization informs his ongoing advocacy for single payer healthcare.Transcript…
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Teaser - "No Use to the State" w/ Micah Khater
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18:23Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/126159598Beatrice speaks with Micah Khater about her award winning article on the intersection of race, disability, and incarceration in the southern US in the early 20th century, and her work documenting the history of how Black women experi…
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77. Conversation with Walter Rhein on Taking Action for Freedom and Building Community
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41:08Stephanie speaks with Walter Rhein of I’d Rather be Writing about building community in person and throughout the country to fight against the fascism this regime is implementing day by day (hour by hour). As we spoke, Cory Booker was in the middle of his 25+ hour speech in the Senate, understanding that he’s catching up to us in the grassroots, an…
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Corridors of Contagion w/ Victoria Law
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2:00:13Beatrice speaks with Victoria Law about how prisons and jails have acted as vectors of covid transmission throughout the pandemic, the experiences of people on the inside from early in the pandemic through fights happening now over long covid in incarcerated people, and why it’s still not too late to bring back a common demand from 2020: to free th…
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All Out For April 5: Silence = Collaboration
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1:33:24Listen to reports and excerpts from the protests demanding the release of Mahmoud Khalil and against the the broader fascist repression of the student movement to free Palestine. Sam and Mark discuss the moment we're in and the critical need to mobilize intensely for the upcoming protest on April 5 in DC (with additional gatherings in cities around…
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Teaser - Disability and the Ongoing Federalism Revolution w/ Karen Tani and Katie Eyer
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16:56Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/125620040Beatrice and Phil speak with legal scholars Karen Tani and Katie Eyer about how the Supreme Court used cases related to disability and deinstitutionalization in the 1970s and 1980s as an opportunity to remake and expand its own power…
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76. OOPS....Actually Standard Operating Procedure (audio of article)
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6:27Stephanie provides the audio version of her Substack newsletter : "It wasn't a mistake: it was SOP, and ooops, included a reporter by accident."By Stephanie Wilson
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The Politics of “Risk Assessment” w/ William Boyd
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1:19:50Beatrice speaks with William Boyd about how “risk assessment” became a central focus of health safety and environmental law since the 1970s, and how the political and economic factors that structure how those risks are assessed have resulted in law and policy far less likely to protect against environmental and health hazards.This episode was origi…
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Teaser - Disabled Ecologies w/ Sunaura Taylor
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36:23Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/125073251Beatrice speaks with Sunaura Taylor about how industrial pollution and systemic abandonment produce networks of disability among people, animals, and what she calls “injured landscapes;” how one community in Arizona organized against…
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How Young Men are Recruited into Fascism - And How to Stop It With Craig Johnson
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55:23Sam discusses how the Trump regime is taking the attacks on the rule of a law to a whole new level and the alarming leaps towards fascist consolidation from this past week, emphasizing the urgent need for mass resistance to defeat Trump/MAGA fascism. Then she interviews Craig Johnson, author of How to Talk to Your Son About Fascism and host of the …
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Evictions, Property and the Administration of Racial Capitalism w/ Marques Vestal & Tracy Rosenthal
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1:34:14Beatrice and Tracy speak with Marques Vestal about the history of political conflicts over eviction and property in Los Angeles, the role of removal in producing property value, and using history to help us tell new stories about the past to shape our present.This episode was originally released for patrons on December 9th, 2024, as Artie explains …
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Teaser - Death Classic: Injury Impoverished w/ Nate Holdren
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8:09Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/124584385Hi listeners — Beatrice and Artie are currently on parental leave. (We were planning to be able to telegraph the announcement more this week, but "baby death panel" had other plans, and came early!). While we're away, we'll still hav…
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Mahmoud Khalil Must Be Freed - Trump Must Go
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47:03Sam and Coco talk about the ominous significance of the kidnapping, ICE detention and plans for deportation of Columbia graduate and activist Mahmoud Khalil (not to mention, green card holder married to a US citizen) and the need to quickly and dramatically step up resistance to the whole Trump MAGA fascist program. "NOW IS THE TIME WHEN WE MUST RI…
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75. Andra Watkins interviews Stephanie: "Talking About Politics Without Talking About Politics."
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35:57Andra Watkins, author of the Substack "For Such a Time as This," interviewed Stephanie on talking about politics without politics. They discussed focusing on values...in our conversations, in our connections, and in our entertainment. This has been lightly edited for clarity and brevity. You can find the video and transcript at www.freedomoverfasci…
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Bea, Artie, and Phil discuss the pervasive, perennial myth that the Medicare and Social Security trust funds are on the brink of imminent collapse, a myth that feeds austerity in policymaking and false panic that the programs "won't be around" when younger generations grow old--and that Trump and Musk's DOGE are currently taking advantage of to pre…
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Teaser - Death Classic: A Death Panel History of Medicare
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Decorum Vs. Determined Resistance with A.R. Moxon
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52:46Sam recaps this past week including Trump's fascist address to Congress, the regime's progress towards their goals and the protests demanding Trump, Musk and the fascist regime's removal around the country. Then, she talks to author and essayist A.R. Moxon (author of Very Fine People and The Revisionaries). Follow his work at www.armoxon.com and su…
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Teaser - Death Classic: Islands of Security w/ Gabriel Winant
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5:54Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/death-classic-of-123573664Hi listeners — Beatrice and Artie are currently on parental leave. (We were planning to be able to telegraph the announcement more this week, but "baby death panel" had other plans, and came early!). While we're away…
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The New Lavender Scare w/ Melissa Gira Grant (Unlocked)
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1:33:34Hi listeners — Beatrice and Artie are currently on parental leave. (We were planning to be able to telegraph the announcement more this week, but "baby death panel" had other plans, and came early!). While we're away, we'll still have episodes in the feed, like today's episode; a mix of some old favorites we haven't revisited in a while and some un…
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74. Craig Johnson. How to Talk to Your Son About Fascism
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52:22Stephanie talks to Dr. Craig Johnson, author of the brand new book How to Talk to Your Son About Fascism published by Routledge press. We talk about how easily young men can fall down the internet rabbit hole into fascism, how they're targeted, how to see the signs of this radicalization, and how you can talk with them empathetically if you catch i…
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