This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show. On Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/@DtSR_Podcast On YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVt ...
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DtSR Episode 672 - DFARS CMMC Update Insights
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39:01TL;DR: This podcast features our friend Bo Birdwell who sits down with us to explain the ins and outs of the new DFARS CMMS update. Jim and Bo cover a lot of ground, and James and I are along for the ride asking questions. Great episode if you're in the space, worrying about what this latest update means to you. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/l…
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DtSR Episode 671 - It's The End of the Internet As We Know It
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40:58TL;DR: This week's returning guest is Doug Cavit, but this time he's here to talk about the Internet apocalypse. Partly driven by AI, but mostly we discuss automated content generation, bots, and consumption as we reach the conclusion that it's all coming crashing down... sooner than we'd like. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/tUJgdrh3ws8 Ha…
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DtSR Episode 670 - Ethics Equity and Rock Star CISOs
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40:57TL;DR: Michael Reichstein joins the pod this week to talk about "rock star CISOs" and those who trade equity for their souls. It's an interesting discussion but this one comes with a warning label: If you're easily offended, do not listen to this. Michael's post that started this conversation: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mreichstein_cybersecurit…
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DtSR Episode 669 - ADR Enters the SOC Chat
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43:26TL;DR: This week's pod features our favorite former analyst Anton Chuvakin, and an AppSec OG Jeff Williams as we tackle the subject of AppSec's favorite new acronym - ADR. What is it? Why is it? Should it be? We answer all these questions and more, and laugh along the way a bit too. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/69xeGDoDYbU Links Contrast…
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DtSR Episode 668 - Actionable Crowd Sourced Defenses
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38:53TL;DR: This week's returning guest is the man, the myth, the Alpaca farmer, Philippe Humeau of CrowdSec. Life comes at you fast, threats come at you faster. The good news is - defenses can keep up. Listen in, then go check out CrowdSec! YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/7Xc99bXCfwQ Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Pl…
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DtSR Episode 667 - Market Consolidation is Screwing the CISO
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49:59TL;DR: This week's guest is Dr Sam Liles - who's been CISO'ing since most of us have been in the industry. Sam gets it, and he has some perspective on what's going on with all this market consolidation. What is it good for? He's got some things to say, and he's not shy about it. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/ROEA6z5Q-sk Have something to say? L…
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DtSR Episode 665 - From Black Hat 2025 with Exhaustion
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29:12TL;DR: This week's show is a testament to surviving a week of Hacker Summer Camp out in Las Vegas. I have an interview with Ray Canzanese, Jr. (again, because y'all love him) and a bit of my take-away / rant from the week I spent out in the desert. Enjoy, I hope you made it home safe and learned something. Good God it was hot. YouTube Video: ( stan…
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DtSR Episode 664 - Everything You Wanted to Know About RaffCon
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32:31** Early release, due to Black Hat Conference and RaffCon XVIII. TL;DR: This episode is all about #RaffCon. Ever wanted to know what the heck it is? Well, Raffael Marty and I break it down, give you a little history, and reminisce. As we got into Black Hat week, this is the perfect precursor to #RaffCon XVIII. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/liv…
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DtSR Episode 663 - The CISO and CIO Relationship
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40:14TL;DR: This is one of the most important episodes we've done on this podcast. The CISO and CIO have a complicated, dynamic, and often ugly relationship - but what should it be like? How can the two work together and evolve their roles together, for the benefit of everyone in the business? Larry Whiteside, Jr. ( Co-Founder and President at Confide) …
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DtSR Episode 662 - Why Customer Success is Difference Maker
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44:55TL;DR: This week's conversation is all about the Customer Success team featuring Nick Puetz and Steve Dakhe. These guys have significant seat time building, operating, and perfecting the CSM role - and we're here to talk about it. What is a CSM? Why do they exist? And what is their role in customer engagement? Listen in, find out! YouTube: https://…
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DtSR Episode 661 - Insights Into the Startup Mindset
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40:04TL;DR: This week we took a sit-down with serial entrepreneur, Will Gragido. Will has been a part of several innovative start-ups, and is now onto his next one. He's a product innovator with a pragmatic sense of what customers need, and he's here to give you the run-down of what drives him, what got him here, and things you should think about if you…
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TL;DR: Did you miss us? Yes, we're back with Sam Masiello and we're talking about whatever is on his mind. Well ...there's geopolitics and Iranian hackers and frankly we need to talk about what it means for your security program. Thanks for joining us, Sam! YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/H-4ZktBIUDE Have something to say? Let's hear it. Sh…
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DtSR Episode 659 - LinkedIn Cyber Influencers are Funny
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42:15TL;DR: This week's episode came from my (Rafal) brain. I've been reading far too much LinkedIn, and the "influencer" postings have been making me crazy. So, here we are. We talk through some of these posts, many of which are AI generated I think, and have a little fun with it. Call it...therapy. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/uZVfkge8bQE H…
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DtSR Episode 658 - What Does It Mean to Secure AI (Part 4)
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47:56TL;DR: On this episode, part 4 of our AI series, we are once again joined by Raja Mukerji, Jeff Collins, and John Dickson to discuss what it means to think about security for AI. Is it something completely different? Is it something same-'ol? Or - is it a bit of both. And what aren't we thinking about when it comes to securing AI? YouTube video: ht…
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DtSR Episode 657 - Cyber-Security Use-Cases for AI (Part 3)
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43:31TL;DR: This week I bring John Dickson back to join Jeff Collins and Raja Mukerji as we talk through the following: What can AI do, for cyber security, that we can't do with current tools? What is the model for incorporating AI into cybersecurity - are we replacing people? augmenting people? both? neither? Where is AI the strongest in these use-case…
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DtSR Episode 656 - Deeper Down the AI Rabbithole Part 2
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44:20TL;DR: This week John Dickson returns to go deeper down the AI rabbit hole with special guest Erik Bloch as we dive into a more technical explanation of AI, how this innovation differs from other similar concepts, previous tech innovations, and some of the commercial vs consumer use-cases where AI is best suited. It's a deeper discussion, and we wi…
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DtSR Episode 655 - John Dickson Down the AI Rabbithole Part 1
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51:15TL;DR: So - Artificial Intelligence (AI)...incomprehensible good, or catastrophic evil? Both? And what does that depend on? This episode is the start of a series wherein we explore the potential good or bad of AI, what the dependencies are. and what kinds of branches of discussion there could be. Join us as we discuss a generational topic, with som…
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DtSR Episode 654 - Can We Teach Machines Discretion?
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43:12TL;DR: This week's episode asks the question - is it possible to give AI "discretion" (which feels like a uniquely human concept)? And if so - what would that look like, and how can this help a society that's hurling headlong into an AI future from destroying secrecy as we know it? Sounil Yu from Knostic joins Rafal & James to think through the pro…
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DtSR Episode 653 - Rich Latayan Live and In Person
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18:29TL;DR: On this "live on the scene" episode from Zero Trust World 2025 sponsored by Threat Locker - I have the distinct pleasure to speak with Rich Latayan about his career leading big-company security programs as CISO and his current endeavor. YouTube: Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking…
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DtSR Episode 652 - RSA Conf 2025 Wrap with Ray Canzanese, Jr.
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29:33TL;DR: As per the usual, this year's RSA Conference 2025 wrap-up is with my friend Ray Canzanese, Jr. We sit in the beautiful sunshine atop the Moscone Center (gardens) and have an interesting, conversation about a number of interesting topics not the least of which is the puppies and baby goats at this year's event (well played, vendors, well play…
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DtSR Episode 651 - Meaningfully Addressing the CISO Vendor Relationship
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45:34TL;DR: Sometimes LinkedIn gives us an opportunity to record something meaningful - and in this episode we find a conversation with Ross Hosman's perspective on how to address the strained relationship between buyer and seller, CISO and vendor - in a meaningful way that you'll hopefully benefit from. Sales people, take notes. CISOs ... you too. YouT…
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DtSR Episode 650 - Executing a Human Focused Security Approach
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41:38TL;DR: This episode is a follow-up on two episodes, building up to this conversation. On episode 629 Hed Kovetz introduced us to "Identity Security" (https://dtsr.buzzsprout.com/2153215/episodes/16174464-dtsr-episode-629-what-the-hell-is-identity-security) and then on episode 646 Ward Pyles started the conversation about how security tools really a…
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DtSR Episode 649 - Casey Ellis Other People's Software Bugs
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47:02TL;DR: This week's guest is BugCrowd's founder Casey Ellis. Casey's a pioneer in the security space and has some tremendous insights on how he started his business and what the future holds. Casey explains why it's important to think like a criminal, and why the 'locksmith' version of a hacker (versus 'burglar') is so important to today's security …
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DtSR Episode 648 - CyberSecurity Market Forces
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43:52TL;DR: This week we're joined by the one and only Mike Privette - to talk about the market forces pushing and pulling cyber security's momentum. Whether you're into startups a la VC funding, or looking to refurbish companies a la Private Equity - this conversation is an analysis of the market from someone who knows a thing or two about the whole ga…
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DtSR Episode 647 - Shiran Bareli AI as More Than Next Gen DLP
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41:10TL;DR: If you're deciding whether to listen to this episode - let me help you - YES. This episode is about the application of AI to one of the most difficult problems facing security teams - what and where is my most sensitive information? Face it, you have no idea - and maybe, just maybe, AI is part of the answer. Shiran Bareli joins Jim and Rafal…
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