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419A. Is Energy Transition Dead? Pragmatic Climate Reset with Michael Liebreich
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3:59The focus of the world has shifted dramatically since the election of President Donald Trump and in the wake of trade wars and economic woes that seem to dominate the news cycles.This has also led to climate change taking a back seat, and some critics are suggesting the energy transition is dead.Whoa, not so fast, says Michael Liebreich, investor, …
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Honey, I Shrunk the Oil And Gas Sector | Ep237: Lord John Browne
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51:22What happens when clean energy starts to outgrow fossil fuels at scale? Is it right to call China an electrostate? And how long will we be reliant on hydrocarbons? This week on Cleaning Up, host Michael Liebreich sits down with Lord Browne of Madingley — former CEO of BP and one of the earliest voices inside Big Oil to publicly call for emissions r…
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419C. Clean Energy Wins - Pragmatic Climate Reset
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3:59The folks who say clean energy can never satisfy primary energy demand have it all wrong, says Michael Liebreich in his essay on The Pragmatic Climate Reset. Due to the inefficiency of fossil fuels, only 68% of primary energy is provided by fossil fuels, he says. "The 1.5 degree [energy] transition is dead," he says, but "Transition like a tortoise…
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Why Does The UK Pay So Much For Cheap-To-Produce Gas? | Ep236: Seb Kennedy
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1:08:43What happens when a nation’s energy security rests on volatile global gas markets? Why does the UK pay market prices for some of the world’s cheapest-to-produce gas? And is now the moment to rethink decades of “leave it to the market” dogma? This week on Cleaning Up, Baroness Bryony Worthington sits down with Seb Kennedy, energy journalist and foun…
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419B. The 90% Clean Energy Solution - Pragmatic Climate Reset
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3:59In Michael Liebreich's Pragmatic Climate Reset, he calls for an end to polarizing all-or-nothing climate action. He says we can get to 90% clean energy by dropping the absolute goals of getting to 100% renewable energy and banning fossil fuels.Getting to 90% can be done efficiently, cost-effectively by focusing on the cheapest energy solutions and …
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419. Full Interview - What the world needs now is a Pragmatic Climate Reset says Michael Liebreich
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1:33:27What the world needs now is a Pragmatic Climate Reset. So says Michael Liebreich, investor, energy transition expert and the founder of Bloomberg New Energy Finance.Driven by the potential catastrophic impacts posed by climate change people and the nations of the world have pushed to eliminate fossil fuels, move to 100% renewable energy and to get …
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Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: Robert Dunn
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1:02:52What does it take to build Europe’s largest and most sustainable data-centre campus, from an empty plot of land to a 1.2-gigawatt giant of AI? How do you future-proof a facility when chip technology is evolving at breakneck speed? And what happens when the site of former coal-fired power plant becomes a global hub for AI? In this special, on-locati…
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California vs Trump In The Battle For Clean Air | Ep234: Liane Randolph
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1:13:19What happens when the world’s most ambitious climate state runs head-on into a hostile federal government? Can California still lead the clean-energy transition while battling rising costs, wildfires and the Trump government’s sweeping tariffs? And what does a “pragmatic reset” on climate policy look like when the stakes have never been higher? Thi…
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The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyerjürgens
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1:03:16What does it take to future-proof Europe’s electricity grid? How do you finance €65 billion in infrastructure without driving up consumer electricity costs? And can the permitting process be sped up to become fast enough for the energy transition? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with Tim Meyerjürgens, CEO of TenneT Germany, th…
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Why There'll Never Be A Hydrogen Economy | Ep232: Erik Rakhou
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1:07:07Is green hydrogen a ‘miracle fuel’ or an expensive illusion? Can we decarbonize without it? And what happens when hydrogen hype meets hard economics? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich debates Erik Rakhou, author of Touching Hydrogen Future, in a no-holds-barred discussion moderated by Andrew Critchlow of S&P Global Commodity Insights. Tog…
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The Electrotech Revolution Will Not Be Fossilized | Ep231: Kingsmill Bond
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49:53What if the energy transition isn’t about sacrifice and belt-tightening, but abundance? Are electrified technologies ready to replace the polluting fossil fuel system we’re so reliant on? And what will it mean for western nations if they can’t keep up with China? In this special bonus episode of Cleaning Up, recorded live in Berlin, Michael Liebrei…
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COP30: Caught Between An Electrostate and A Petrostate | Ep230: Rachel Kyte
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59:42This week on Cleaning Up, we welcome back Rachel Kyte, the UK’s Special Representative for Climate Change, for a deep dive into the shifting landscape of global climate diplomacy ahead of COP30 in Belém, Brazil. Rachel brings decades of experience — from leading Sustainable Energy for All under Ban Ki-Moon to senior roles at the World Bank and IFC …
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The US Just Sank Shipping's Big Plan for Decarbonization, What Now? | Ep229: Tristan Smith
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1:16:00Global shipping contributes about 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions, equivalent to the total emissions of Japan or Germany. The sector, including its contribution to climate change, is governed by the International Maritime Organisation or the IMO, which is a UN agency based in London in the United Kingdom. Last week, the International Maritime…
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How To Move Away From Fossil Fuels Faster — Bryony Grills Michael on The Pragmatic Climate Reset | Ep228
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1:05:47This summer, Michael Liebreich wrote two essays under the title of the Pragmatic Climate Reset. The first challenged the idea that the clean energy transition has failed. And the second challenged the clean energy and climate community to a reset, exploring eight areas which he thinks the transition has gone astray. In this special episode, Bryony …
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The £60 Billion Plan To Rewire Britain | Ep227: John Pettigrew
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1:01:14What does it take to rewire a nation’s energy system? Can we make the grid cleaner, smarter, and more resilient — without driving up bills? And how will the explosion of AI data centres reshape the future of electricity demand? This week on Cleaning Up, host Michael Liebreich sits down with John Pettigrew, outgoing CEO of National Grid, for a candi…
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What India Gets Right About The Energy Transition | Ep226: Dr Arunabha Ghosh
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1:11:10What does it take for India to deliver electricity to hundreds of millions while simultaneously building a fast-growing clean energy system? Can it overcome its fossil dependence to secure its energy futures with renewables? And how will India’s development choices shape the global climate fight in the decades ahead? India, like China, is home to o…
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418. Canoeing with Ken Dryden on the Athabasca River
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20:40FULL INTERVIEW - Canada lost a great athlete, statesman, and author this year when hockey legend Ken Dryden passed away. We reached into our radio archives for this exclusive interview carried out on the banks of the Athabasca River in 2003 when Ken Dryden participated in the Boreal Rendezvous canoe expedition from Fort McKay to Wood Buffalo Nation…
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418A. Canoeing on the Athabasca River with Ken Dryden - Part 1
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3:59Canada lost an amazing athlete, statesman and author this year when Ken Dryden passed away. I had the pleasure of joining Dryden on Boreal Rendezvous, an epic canoe adventure on the Athabasca River in 2003 in support of Boreal Forest conservation. This week, we remember Ken Dryden in this interview recorded on a sandbar on the Athabasca River. In P…
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Can We Save the Great Barrier Reef? | Ep225: Dr Katharina Fabricius
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57:56Why should we care about coral reefs? What happens when they collapse? And is there still hope for their survival? In this episode of Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with coral reef ecologist Dr. Katharina Fabricius, who has witnessed six mass bleaching events on the Great Barrier Reef over her three decades of research. From the “seven s…
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417. Nova Scotia says offshore wind could provide 27% of Canada’s electricity
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5:11VIDEO - Nova Scotia is bullish on offshore wind power. They just offered leases for the development of 5 gigawatts of offshore wind capacity. That's twice the annual electricity consumption in Nova Scotia. And they have already identified suitable areas for up to 60 gigawatts of offshore wind development. That's enough to provide 27% of Canada's el…
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417. Nova Scotia says offshore wind could provide 27% of Canada’s electricity
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3:59Nova Scotia is bullish on offshore wind power. They just offered leases for the development of 5 gigawatts of offshore wind capacity. That's twice the annual electricity consumption in Nova Scotia.And they have already identified suitable areas for up to 60 gigawatts of offshore wind development. That's enough to provide 27% of Canada's electricity…
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Audioblog 16: The Pragmatic Climate Reset, Part II — A Provocation
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1:06:55The election of Donald Trump to a second term as President marked a turning point in the politics of climate action – not just in the US, but around the world. The airwaves are suddenly awash with commentators, claiming that the transition has failed, that it was always a fool’s errand, and that we must resign ourselves to a fossil-based future for…
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Less Doom, More Data: Debunking the Biggest Climate Myths | Ep223: Dr. Hannah Ritchie
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1:10:03Is the future of clean energy and climate solutions brighter than we think? In this episode of Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich welcomes back Hannah Ritchie — Deputy Editor at Our World in Data, researcher at the Oxford Martin School, and author of her new book, Clearing the Air. In Clearing the Air, Hannah tackles 50 of the most common myths and mis…
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416. Nation Building: What's in it for Guelph?
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3:59Amidst the trade wars, geopolitical and economic turmoil, Prime Minister Mark Carney is fast-tracking what he calls nation-building mega projects. BUT "Instead of ‘building fossil fuel and mining mega projects,’ Evan Ferrari says we need to build 'decentralized megaprojects' that are “small hyper local projects thattogether add up to a massive mega…
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Malcolm Turnbull: Clean Energy Culture Wars and The Race To Build More Storage | Ep 222
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1:12:38What happens when cheap solar flips the script on climate sceptics? Can pumped hydro really deliver the long-duration storage we need? And is “hope” a dangerous comforter in the race to net zero? In this season opener of Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with Malcolm Turnbull — former Prime Minister of Australia, lawyer, statesman, energy in…
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415. Go Solar & Avoid Solar Scams with Greg Sauer VIDEO
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5:29VIDEO Solar's meteoric rise has also unfortunately attracted unsavoury characters, AKA solar scammers. This drives solar veteran Greg Sauer crazy. These fly-by-night solar sellers are telling people exactly what they want to hear, and some are paying more than 3 times more than the going rate.Greg Sauer wants this to stop!We talk to Greg this week …
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415. Go Solar and Avoid Scams with Greg Sauer
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3:59Solar's meteoric rise has also unfortunately attracted unsavoury characters, AKA solar scammers. This drives solar veteran Greg Sauer crazy. These fly-by-night solar sellers are telling people exactly what they want to hear, and some are paying more than 3 times more than the going rate.Greg Sauer wants this to stop!We talk to Greg this week on Gre…
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Cleaning Up Redux: A Magnificent Woman And Her Flying Machines - Bonny Simi
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58:14This episode was originally broadcast in February 2024 Bryony returns with Bonny Simi, President of Operations at Joby Aviation, where she's working on bringing to market a new civilian electric VTOL (eVTOL) aircraft. Prior to joining the team at Joby, Bonny held several operational and strategic roles at JetBlue Most notably, she founded and led J…
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414. Nation Building Energy Retrofits Coule Create $48 Billion in Economic Activity
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3:59Driven by the US trade war and Canada passed its Nation Building bill to fast-track nation-building projects to support economic and energy independence. Monica Curtis of the Pembina Institute thinks we need to rethink the idea of nation-building mega projects and is proposing Canada launch a massive wave of building retrofit projects to support en…
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Cleaning Up Redux: From Free Solo to Free Solar — Alex Honnold
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1:02:25This episode was originally broadcast in April 2022 Alex Honnold is one of the world’s best rock climbers, famous for his free solo ascents of big walls, including his 2017 first free solo of El Capitan in Yosemite. Alex began studies in engineering at the University of California-Berkeley but dropped out to pursue his passion for climbing, living …
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413. Pedal Pub - Solar-Powered Pub Crawl in Cow Town VIDEO
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4:14VIDEO - Chris Packard of Firefly Solar was walking home from work when he noticed the Pedal Pub mobile bar bikes were plugged in. So he thought, "These should be solar powered." Turns out Pedal Pub thought it was a great idea.
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413. Pedal Pub - Solar-powered e-bike pub crawls in Cow Town
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3:59Chris Packard of Firefly Solar was walking home from work when he noticed the Pedal Pub mobile bar bikes were plugged in. So he thought, "These should be solar powered." Turns out Pedal Pub thought it was a great idea. 🟢 GreenEnergyFutures.ca CKUA.com Podcast ❤️ Subscribe Today - We have more than 400 episodes! ✅ BLOG - GreenEnergyFutures.ca ✅ PODC…
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The Inevitable End of Fossil Fuels | Ep221: Michael Liebreich & Bryony Worthington
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1:00:59What if the energy transition isn't a race, but a steady march toward the end of fossil fuel usage? Do we need to move more like the tortoise, and less like the hare? And in a world of competing narratives, who gets to define "pragmatism"? In this season finale of Cleaning Up, hosts Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington unpack these questions as…
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412B. Reza Nasseri - A Net-Zero Pioneer's Success Story - Part 2
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3:59In Part 2 of our Green Energy Futures CKUA.com podcast, Reza builds his first net-zero home, and we follow his relentless pursuit of developing the most affordable net-zero home. His work to design and build the simplest, most cost-effective net-zero design has gone from his first efforts in 2013 to today, when he has 100 net-zero homes in the work…
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412. Reza Nasseri - Net-Zero Pioneer's Time Has Come VIDEO PODCAST
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11:18This week we celebrate net-zero pioneer Reza Nasseri, the founder of Landmark Homes who made it his mission to build affordable net-zero homes. This is our special double VIDEO episode of our CKUA.com podcast. We trace Nasseri's roots from immigrating to Canada from Iran, inheriting a cultural penchant for waste not want not and energy efficiency. …
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412A. Reza Nasseri - Landmark's Net-Zero Pioneer Whose Time Has Come - Part 1
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3:59Reza Nasseri began working on net-zero homes 15 years ago and is recognized as a pioneer and leader in net-zero design for production homes. In part 1 of our series, we trace his roots as a young electrical engineer and flesh out what motivates him to design and build the most affordable net-zero homes. Nasseri is the founder of Landmark Homes, and…
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Audioblog 15: The Pragmatic Climate Reset Part 1 — The Energy Transition Is Not Dead
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27:59In February, veteran fossil industry advisor Dan Yergin and two co-authors published a piece called The Troubled Transition. In it they dismiss the idea that there is or can ever be an energy transition, anchored on the fact that fossil fuels contributed 85% to so-called primary energy in 1990 and still contribute 80% today. Needless to say, their …
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The Inflation Induction Act: How the US Lost The Race for Clean Energy | Ep 219: Ethan Zindler
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1:09:06Is the US about to enter a new era of energy inflation? Can technological progress outpace political regression? Are we witnessing the permanent end of America's climate ambitions? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with Ethan Zindler, former climate counselor to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, now head of countries and policy a…
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North Sea Oil & Gas Is Dying, What Comes Next? | Ep218: Tessa Khan
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57:58If the UK can’t ditch fossil fuels, who can? What impact would more drilling in the North Sea have for UK energy prices? What does the end of the net zero consensus mean for UK energy policy? This week on Cleaning Up, host Bryony Worthington sits down with Tessa Khan, founder of Uplift, a charity challenging the oil and gas industry's hold on UK e…
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411. Blatchford Community Garden - Local, Organic, Sustainable Food
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4:55When residents of Blatchford Carbon Neutral Community in Edmonton, Alberta, moved in, the community garden was already there! Ever since the beginning, the raised beds and garden spaces were oversubscribed by residents looking to grow their own organic, local, sustainable food. Interest in community gardening is surging with more than 80 community …
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How Fungi Shape Our World, From Carbon Sinks to Zombie TV: | Ep217: Merlin Sheldrake
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45:49What if the key to solving our climate crisis lies beneath our feet? Could tiny fungal networks be the unsung heroes of carbon sequestration? And how might reimagining our relationship with fungi transform our understanding of life on Earth? This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with Merlin Sheldrake, author of the bestselling "Ent…
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The Best Markets for Wind and Solar Are Not Where You Think | Ep216: Daniel Calderon
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48:29In a world where 17% of all electricity is generated from wind and solar and where 93% of all new capacity added to the grid is from renewables, it can be easy to forget that countries got their first wind and solar resources within just the last few years. And in fact, some countries are still waiting for their first. Today on Cleaning Up, we’re j…
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410. Catastrophic Spanish Blackouts Not Due to Renewables
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3:59Renewables were not to blame for a catastrophic blackout in Spain in April 2025. We explore challenges and solutions to the growing renewable energy grid with Michael Liebreich, energy expert and founder of Bloomberg New Energy Finance. 🟢 GreenEnergyFutures.ca CKUA.com Podcast ❤️ Subscribe Today - We have more than 400 episodes! ✅ BLOG - GreenEnerg…
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NVIDIA Rising: Will The AI Boom Bust The Planet? | Ep215: Josh Parker
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52:58In 1849, when the Gold Rush hit California, the people who were certain to make money were not the miners, but the sellers of picks and shovels. Indeed, America's first millionaire, Samuel Brannan, made his fortune by adding huge margins to everyday items that suddenly become high in demand. Today's sellers of picks and shovels are those providing …
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Is There A Future Without Oil & Gas? Ep214: Ben van Beurden
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1:13:11Oil and gas companies lie at the heart of the energy transition. To some, they are heroes, continuing to power human progress despite all the odds. To some, they are villains, responsible for the climate change that is devastating our planet. This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich interviews Ben van Beurden, former CEO of Shell from 2014 to 20…
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409. Blatchford Virtual Power Plant - Selling Homeowners Solar Power
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3:59Blatchford carbon-neutral community is pioneering a virtual power plant project to link 100 solar-powered homes in a virtual network in a game-changing project. Each home has a 20-kilowatt battery, and the pilot project will export electricity to the market in periods of high demand, thus helping the grid and generating revenue for the homeowners. …
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Deforestation, Oil and Aviation Fuels: A Brazilian Take on the Climate Emergency | Ep213: Thelma Krug
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1:00:16What happens if the Amazon rainforest stops absorbing carbon and starts releasing it? Do we need geoengineering to help us cool an overheating planet? And how can developing countries balance environmental preservation with economic development? This week on Cleaning Up, Baroness Bryony Worthington sits down with Thelma Krug, a renowned Brazilian s…
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Hydrogen Subsidies, Clean Power & Fixing Spain's Blackouts | Ep212: EU Commissioner Dan Jørgensen
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38:17What will it take to finally wean Europe off Russian gas? Can renewables help with grid stability? And is the EU making a mistake subsidising hydrogen? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with EU Energy and Housing Commissioner Dan Jørgensen to dissect the continent's energy transformation. In this wide ranging interview recorded …
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408. Calgary's Climate Change Sign Guy takes his message to the streets of Alberta's oil capital
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5:51VIDEO - Roger Gagné was frustrated by a lack of action on climate change. He wrote scads of letters, he wrote articles, and he even created the Climate Plan Alberta website where 84 businesses and organizations joined him in a call for Alberta to develop a meaningful climate change action plan. So he took his inspiration for the sign guy on Faceboo…
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408. Calgary's Climate Change Sign Guy takes his message to the streets of Alberta's oil capital
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3:59Roger Gagné was frustrated by a lack of action on climate change. He wrote scads of letters, he wrote articles, and he even created the Climate Plan Alberta website where 84 businesses and organizations joined him in a call for Alberta to develop a meaningful climate change action plan. So he took his inspiration for the sign guy on Facebook and cr…
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