There’s more to life than the world we can see. Stories, guests and interviews that can re-enchant our vision of culture, science, politics and art. Hosted by Belle Tindall and Justin Brierley. Recorded for Seen & Unseen at Lambeth Palace. Also from Seen & Unseen: www.seenandunseen.com: Articles on current affairs, culture, media and more. Newsletters: Weekly briefings on what's happening in the world Seen & Unseen Aloud: A podcast bringing a dose of news, on the go GodPod: A deeper conversa ...
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Re-Enchanting Live: Why the tide of faith is turning
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1:01:33The Re-Enchanting podcast from Seen & Unseen speaks to guests seeking to re-enchant our secular world with the Christian vision of reality. Co-hosts Belle Tindall and Justin Brierley will be joined by Bishop Graham Tomlin in a live audience edition of the podcast. Together they’ll explore why a ’surprising rebirth’ of belief in God seems to be unde…
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Re-enchanting live at Bradford Literature Festival: Chine McDonald, Francis Spufford and Lamorna Ash
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1:27:20Recorded live at Bradford Literature Festival, Belle Tindall brings together three of the most influential voices of the moment: Chine McDonald, Lamorna Ash and Francis Spufford. Together, they speak about what belief is, what it isn't, and how people are navigating our 'age of crisis'. Not only is this our first ever live recording, it's truly a c…
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Re-enchanting... The story of Jesus - Bear Grylls
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47:18Bear Grylls is an adventurer and survival expert who has become known to millions through his TV shows, documentaries and writing. His most recent book is ’The Greatest Story Every Told’, an account of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus told through the eyes of 5 eyewitnesses. Justin and Belle talk to Bear about his own life and faith journe…
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Re-enchanting... Belief - Ross Douthat
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1:03:24Ross Douthat is a columnist for the New York Times and the author of 'Believe: Why everyone should be religious'. He joins Belle and Justin to talk about why religion is good for us, and to give some pointers for how the average agnostic may be able to find their way to faith. For Ross Douthat: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Believe-Why-Everyone-Should-R…
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Re-enchanting... my lifelong search for God - Donna Freitas
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1:04:46Donna Freitas is a scholar, teacher, writer, and author of fiction and non-fiction for both adults and teenagers. Her most recent book ‘Wishful Thinking: How I lost my faith and why I want to find it’ is a spiritual memoir of her Catholic upbringing and adult search for God. Justin and Belle talk to Donna about losing and seeking faith Donna Freita…
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Re-enchanting... losing Natasha - Nadim Ednan-Laperouse
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1:06:25Nadim Ednan-Laperouse OBE is founder and trustee (along with his wife, Tanya) of The Natasha Allergy Research Foundation – which was established in the name of Nadim and Tanya’s daughter, Natasha, who died as a result of an allergic reaction to a baguette which did not have the correct information on its packaging. The story of Natasha’s death capt…
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Re-enchanting... Blaise Pascal - Graham Tomlin
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1:05:17Graham Tomlin is the Director of the Centre For Cultural Witness, and Editor in Chief of Seen and Unseen. As the former bishop of Kensington he has been involved in theological education and cultural engagement for several years. His latest book is ‘Blaise Pascal: The man who made the modern world’. Justin, Belle and Graham explore the life and leg…
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Re-enchanting... Conversion - Lamorna Ash
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1:04:07If you found this conversation interesting, Seen & Unseen, the creators of Re-Enchanting, offers thousands of articles exploring how the Christian faith helps us understand the modern world. Discover more here: www.seenandunseen.com. Lamorna Ash is an award-winning writer and journalist, she’s the author of Dark, Salt, Clear: Life in a Cornish Fish…
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Re-enchanting... The end of the world - Alex Evans
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1:05:04If you found this conversation interesting, Seen & Unseen, the creators of Re-Enchanting, offers thousands of articles exploring how the Christian faith helps us understand the modern world. Discover more here: www.seenandunseen.com Alex Evans is the founder and Executive Director of Larger Us - a community of change-makers seeking to bridge divide…
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Re-enchanting... Motherhood - Chine McDonald
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57:12If you found this conversation interesting, Seen & Unseen, the creators of Re-Enchanting, offers thousands of articles exploring how the Christian faith helps us understand the modern world. Discover more here: www.seenandunseen.com. Chine McDonald is the Director of Theos, the religion and society think tank. She is also a regular contributor to T…
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Re-enchanting... God & suffering - Esther Maria Magnis
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1:05:55Esther Maria Magnis is a German writer whose book ‘With or Without Me’ is a memoir of her journey with faith and the perception of reality. With unflinching honesty Esther takes us through her childhood and adolescence as she, along with her brother and sister, deals with the grief of her father’s cancer diagnosis, her prayers, and her journey thro…
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Re-enchanting... Experiential Spirituality - Tyler Staton
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58:00If you found this conversation interesting, Seen & Unseen, the creators of Re-Enchanting, offers thousands of articles exploring how the Christian faith helps us understand the modern world. Discover more here: www.seenandunseen.com Tyler Staton is the Lead Pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon and the head of Prayer 24/7, USA. He's also …
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Re-enchanting... The Eastern Orthodox Revival - John Mark Reynolds
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1:02:29Dr John Mark Reynolds is the president of the Constantine Schools and College in Texas and the author of numerous books including 'When Athens Met Jerusalem: an Introduction to Classical and Christian Thought'. He is a frequent blogger and lecturer on a wide range of topics including ancient philosophy, classical and home education, politics, faith…
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Re-Enchanting... Shakespeare - Dr Kate Flaherty
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1:06:37Dr Kate Flaherty is Senior Lecturer in English and Drama at the Australian National University. She researches how Shakespeare’s works play on the stage of public culture. Her insights have been published in Contemporary Theatre Review, New Theatre Quarterly, Australian Studies and Shakespeare Survey. She is also the author of the book ‘Ours as we …
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Re-enchanting... Reality - Andrew Davison
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1:14:32Revd Professor Andrew Davison is Regius Professor of Divinity at The University of Oxford. Andrew has both a scientific and theological background and has frequently worked on the intersection of science and faith, as well as writing on ‘participation’ and the ’sacramental theology' of blessing in books such as ‘Participation In God’ and ‘Blessing’…
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Re-enchanting... Hospitality - Jo Swinney
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1:00:05Jo Swinney is director of communications for the Christian environmental conservation charity A Rocha International. Jo's parents Miranda and Peter Harris were the founders of A Rocha. Miranda's tragic death in 2019 was a shock to all those who knew her. Jo’s book ‘A Place At The Table: Faith, hope and hospitality’ pairs her own words with writings…
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Re-enchanting... The natural world - Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg
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1:00:01Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg is rabbi of New North London Synagogue and Senior Rabbi of Masorti Judaism, here in the UK. He’s also the author of numerous books, including ‘Walking with the Light: from Frankfurt to Finchley’, ‘Things My Dog has Taught Me: about being a better human’ and his latest – ‘Listening for God in Torah and Creation’ Justin and …
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Re-enchanting... Death - Dame Sue Black
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1:01:20Professor Lady Sue Black is one of the world’s leading forensic scientists. Police forces, the Foreign Office and the UN have called upon her evidence in countless high-profile investigations. She is currently President of St. John’s College, Oxford, and in 2021 entered the House of Lords as a cross-bench peer. She has penned numerous books, includ…
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Re-enchanting... The death of Christianity - Rupert Shortt
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58:10Rupert Shortt is an author and research associate at the Von Hugel Institute, University Of Cambridge and a former Religion Editor for the Times Literary Supplement. His latest book ’The Eclipse of Christianity… and why it matters’ has been praised by Tom Holland as ‘ A brilliant survey of Christianity’s decline in Britain- how it happened and why …
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Re-enchanting... The streets - Les Isaac
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1:02:33Rev Les Isaac OBE is founder of Ascension Trust. Les came to national attention in 2022 when his message about integrity and the common good at the Parliamentary Prayer Breakfast set in motion a chain of events that led to the resignation of Boris Johnson in the following days. Les is best known as the pioneer of the Street Pastors movement. Every …
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Re-enchanting... Wisdom - Francis Collins
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1:07:44Francis Collins is a physician and geneticist whose groundbreaking work has led to the discovery of the cause of cystic fibrosis among other diseases. He led the Human Genome Project which first sequenced the entire human DNA, established the science-faith organisation BioLogos, and has gone on to serve 3 US presidents as the director of the Nation…
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Re-Enchanting... Julian of Norwich - Claire Gilbert
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1:02:40Dr Claire Gilbert is an author, lecturer, mentor and retreat leader and was the founding director of the Westminster Abbey Institute. She is the author of books including ‘Miles To Go Before I Sleep: Letters on Hope, Death and Learning to Live’ and her most recent publication ‘I, Julian’ a novel about the medieval mystic Julian of Norwich. Belle an…
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Re-Enchanting... An ahistorical age - Sarah Irving-Stonebraker
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59:14Sarah Irving-Stonebraker is an Australian historian whose new book ‘Priests of History: stewarding the past in an ahistoric age’, says that, in our age of self-invention, modern people are profoundly disconnected from the stories, practises and history that once gave them their identity. Justin and Belle talk to Sarah about re-enchanting an ahistor…
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Re-Enchanting... Comic books - Siku
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1:03:39Siku is an artist, author, theologian, musician, and a leading comic book artist. He has worked for 2000AD as artist on titles such as Judge Dredd as well as Marvel UK and COM X. He is the author of the book ‘Batman Is Jesus’ and is of course well known for the graphic novel, The Manga Bible. Siku sits down with Justin and Belle to discuss the crea…
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Re-Enchanting... Life and loss - Zoe Clark-Coates
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52:49Zoe Clark-Coates MBE has become one of the UK's most trusted voices when it comes to the gigantic topics of grief and loss. She is an author, podcaster and TV broadcaster, as well as the founder and CEO of the Mariposa Trust and co-chair of the most extensive government baby loss review in recent years. Zoe shares her own experience of grief, havin…
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Re-Enchanting... Politics and the local church - Jack Palmer-White
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1:05:55Jack Palmer-White is Senior Director at the Good Faith Partnership, an organisation that seeks to bridge some of the gaps between different sectors and, in so doing, find some innovative solutions for some of society’s more difficult problems. Before this, Jack was the Anglican Communion’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations and senior a…
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Re-Enchanting… X Factor idolatry - Talia Dean
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1:00:16Talia Dean became a household name in 2017 after she wowed judges on the X Factor with her stunning vocals. She went on to a successful music career, collaborating with Brian May of Queen among others. But Talia recently announced she has quit the mainstream music industry after rediscovering her Catholic faith in a big way at the end of last year.…
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Re-enchanting... Riots, refugees & Right vs Left - Krish Kandiah
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1:06:01Dr Krish Kandiah OBE is the founder of The Sanctuary Foundation, a charity supporting refugees to find welcome, work and worthwhile housing in the UK. Krish has also been at the forefront of many other initiatives including the fostering and adoption charity Home For Good, as well as writing multiple books on theology, activism and faith. Following…
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Re-Enchanting... The politics of Jesus - NT Wright
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58:32NT (Tom) Wright is Senior Research Fellow at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University. Tom has written extensively on Jesus, Paul and early Christianity and his work has been hugely influential across the world. As well as his notable academic career Tom has also served in the Church of England in various roles, including as Bishop of Durham from 2003-2010…
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Re-Enchanting... Atheism - Alex O'Connor
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1:10:13Alex O'Connor is a well known atheist Youtube and podcast host with over 800 thousand subscribers to his channel. Unlike many online new atheists he has sought to genuinely understand his Christian and religious counterparts. This included studying theology at Oxford University, helping to re-establish a Socratic debating society in the mould of th…
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Re-Enchanting... Aliens, animals and AI - Nick Spencer
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1:08:36Nick Spencer is Senior Fellow at Theos and hosts their podcast ‘Reading Our Times’. He is the author of a number of books and reports, including ‘Magisteria: the entangled histories of science and religion’ and his most recent book co-authored with Hannah Waite, 'Playing God: Science, Religion and the Future of Humanity’. Belle and Justin chat with…
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Re-Enchanting... The Brain - Iain McGilchrist
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1:06:47Iain McGilchrist is a psychiatrist and philosopher, and author of the books ‘The Master And His Emissary’ and ‘The Matter With Things’. Iain’s thesis on the left and right hemispheres of the brain has been highly influential. He believes ‘left hemispheric’ thinking has come to dominate much of modern culture in negative ways. He speaks with Belle a…
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Re-Enchanting... Evangelicalism - Karen Swallow Prior
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1:06:55Karen Swallow Prior is a Professor of English Literature and an award-winning author. Her most recent book is 'The Evangelical Imagination: How stories, images and metaphors created a culture in Crisis’. Belle and Justin speak to Karen about the role of the imagination in faith, what the term evangelical means today and whether it can be re-enchant…
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Re-Enchanting… Agnosticism - Ben Sixsmith
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1:01:58Ben Sixsmith is a journalist and contributing editor at The Critic. He writes for many outlets on culture and politics including at his own substack The Zone. Ben has also written about about his own religious upbringing and his search for faith as an agnostic. In a disenchanted age Justin and Belle talk to Ben about what it takes to believe… Ben S…
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Re-Enchanting... The election(s) - Luke Bretherton
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1:12:492024 will see more than sixty countries hold national elections and more than two billion people eligible to vote - including an imminent election in the UK and what looks to be a historic election in the US. This calls for a special episode of Re-Enchanting. Luke Bretherton is an author and theologian who currently splits his time between Duke Uni…
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Re-Enchanting... New York City - Rasool Berry
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1:15:39Rasool Berry serves as teaching pastor at The Bridge Church in Brooklyn, New York. He hosts the Where Ya From? podcast and is the writer, producer and host of the Juneteenth: Faith & Freedom feature-length documentary. Justin and Belle speak to Rasool about Re-enchanting… the city, millennials and Gen Z. Rasool Berry: https://www.rasoolberry.com/ F…
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Re-Enchanting... Planet Narnia - Michael Ward
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1:04:36Dr Michael Ward is a literary critic, theologian, and renowned C.S. Lewis expert – teaching at both the University of Oxford and Houston Christian University, in Texas. He is the author of books including 'Planet Narnia: The Seven Heavens in the Imagination of C.S. Lewis' and 'After Humanity: A guide to C.S. Lewis’ The Abolition of Man'. Justin and…
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Re-Enchanting… Middle earth - Holly Ordway
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1:03:45Holly Ordway is a scholar of English literature who is a professor at the Word on Fire Institute in the USA and Houston Christian University. Holly has written about literary and imaginative apologetics, edited and annotated a volume of Gerard Manley Hopkins' poetry, and has also gone on to publish major books on the works of one of her literary he…
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Re-Enchanting... The 7 deadly sins - Elizabeth Oldfield
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59:13Elizabeth Oldfield is a writer, broadcaster and host of The Sacred podcast. Her new book 'Fully Alive' examines how modern life can be informed by ancient wisdom, including a fresh look at the 'Seven Deadly Sins'. Belle and Justin speak to Elizabeth about her own spiritual journey, wisdom, our common life and the things that most deeply bind us. El…
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Re-Enchanting... The life we have - Joshua Luke Smith
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1:00:28Joshua Luke Smith is a poet, songwriter, storyteller, podcaster and author of the book 'Something You Once Knew'. His latest album 'Liberated' is available now. Belle and Justin talk to Joshua about re-enchanting creativity, the music industry and ultimately, ‘the life we have’. Joshua Luke Smith: https://www.joshualukesmith.com/ For Re-Enchanting:…
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Re-enchanting is back! Join Justin, Belle and a host of guests as they explore how Christianity can re-enchant culture, politics, the arts, the sciences, history, and so much more. Season four starts this Wednesday, with episodes from poet and songwriter Joshua Luke Smith, host of The Sacred podcast Elizabeth Oldfield, journalist Ben Sixsmith and m…
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Re-enchanting... Black Christian voices - Lisa Fields
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58:09Lisa Fields is the founder of The Jude 3 Project - an organisation helping the Christian community know what they believe and why they believe it with a strong emphasis in equipping those of African descent in the United States and abroad. Lisa founded the organisation after encountering significant intellectual challenges to her own faith. Belle a…
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Re-enchanting... just about everything - Jonathan Pageau
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59:55Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast. Jonathan is also known for his friendship with Jordan Peterson, another thinker invested in symbol…
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Re-enchanting... Hollywood & motherhood - Jessica Oyelowo
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1:03:50Jessica Oyelowo is a creative force of nature: an actor, TV and film producer, singer, and song-writer. Jessica has brought her art to both the stage and the screen. Living in Los Angeles with her husband, David, and their four children, much of Jessica’s latest work highlights how her faith, her dreams, her convictions, and her roles tend to colli…
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Milton Jones is an award-winning stand-up comedian, broadcaster, author, and 'Mock the Week' legend. He's a king of the one-liners, and crafter of the ‘Ten-Second Sermon’. Belle and Justin chat to Milton about his life, his comedy, and his Christian faith – as well as discussing the relationship between God and laughter. For Milton Jones: https://m…
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Re-enchanting... Recovery from addiction - Lauren Windle
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1:02:23Lauren Windle is a journalist, author, speaker and presenter who specialises in faith, recovery and love. She is the author of 'Notes on Love: being single and dating in a marriage-obsessed church' and the upcoming 'Notes on Feminism: Being a woman in a male-led church'. Justin and Belle chat with Lauren about her own story of addiction, recovery a…
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Re-enchanting... singleness & sexuality - David Bennett
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50:28David Bennett is an author, speaker and theologian based at Oxford University. Originally from Australia, his book 'A War of Loves' describes his own story of encountering the love of God in a pub in the gay quarter of Sydney. He tells Belle and Justin how, as an atheistic gay activist, he became a follower of Jesus and why he advocates for a posit…
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Re-enchanting... the human faces behind poverty - Sabina Alkire
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1:01:30Professor Sabina Alkire directs the Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative at the University of Oxford. Sabina has been involved in developing methods of measuring multidimensional poverty and her work is used to address development issues in countries around the world. Sabina is ordained in the Anglican Church. Belle and Justin explore ho…
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Re-enchanting... Visions, dreams & storytelling - Martin Shaw
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1:01:04Martin Shaw is a renowned storyteller and mythologist, who in the last couple of years has his own quite extraordinary conversion story to tell. After many years as a poet, author and teaching others through the West Country school of myth, Martin had a visionary encounter that confounded all his expectations. Martin is now a Christian but sees thi…
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Re-enchanting... feminism & the culture wars - Helen Lewis
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56:34Helen Lewis is a journalist, broadcaster and staff writer for The Atlantic. She is the author of 'Difficult Women: A History of Feminism in 11 Fights’ and has been writing and speaking about feminism, gender, and the culture wars for several years... and occasionally gets caught up in them herself, including a viral interview with Jordan Peterson f…
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