In this show we blend the worlds of artistry and creativity with the rhythms of business and commerce. In each episode, we uncover the unique cadences that fuel the creative process, whether it's in the realms of visual arts, design, writing, music, or any other creative pursuit. Our conversations with seasoned artists, innovative entrepreneurs, and creative thinkers will delve deep into their experiences, mindsets, lessons learned, and the artistic sparks that ignite their creative endeavor ...
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Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the ...
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Ep213 - Deneen Melody, Kelby McClellan, & Zach Santolaya, Canyon Theatre Guild Production
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1:01:14"The truth is every good play is hinged on the one particular character having a life changing moment." This episode features Deneen Melody, Kelby McClellan, & Zach Santolaya who were part of the Canyon Theatre Guild Production of CATS in California this summer. They share their initial reactions upon hearing the theater would do CATS, their person…
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Ep212 - Caesar Samayoa, Rum Tum Tugger in Act II Performing Arts Center & Don Kirshner in Just In Time on Broadway
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41:48" I went to see CATS about five times with notebooks and took notes throughout the performance." This episode features Caesar Samayoa who performed as the Rum Tum Tugger in an "illegal" high school production of CATS in New Jersey and is currently performing as Don Kirshner and many more characters in Just In Time on Broadway. Hear Caesar dive into…
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Ep211 - Trent Stork, Sylvia Hernandez-DiStasi, & Jake DiMaggio Lopez, Cast & Creative, Paramount Theatre Circus CATS
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29:21"Ten years ago I was the Associate Director of CATS when we did it the first time at Paramount and I thought, wouldn't it be so amazing if Victoria ascended to Jellicle Ball in a moon beam of silks?" This episode features the cast and creative team of the 2025 circus production of CATS. The group dives into the unique transformation of the classic …
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Ep210 - Nancy Leach, Swing in Hamburg Production of CATS
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42:19" Bustopher Jones was Bustopher Mürr and I don’t know why except that it rhymed." This episode features Nancy Leach who was a swing in the Hamburg production of CATS. Nancy shares her introduction to CATS, learning the show in German, and her journey from New York to Hamburg. She discusses her roles, particularly as Grizabella, and provides insight…
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Ep209 - Marc Robin & Joey Abramowicz, Creative Team, Fulton Theatre CATS
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58:12"The truth is every good play is hinged on the one particular character having a life changing moment." This episode features Director/Choreographer Marc Robin and Associate Director/Makeup Designer Joey Abramowicz to discuss the Fulton Theatre's upcoming summer 2025 production of CATS. They delve into the unique concept of setting the musical in a…
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Ep208 - Sarah Bowden, Sillabub in Australian Circus Tent Tour & Ensemble in Smash on Broadway
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48:02" Chrissie Cartwright looked at me and she’s like ‘you've gotta like see the mouse, follow the mouse, pounce on the mouse, chase the mouse again.’ And I was like, wait, wait, wait. Are we cats?" This episode features Sarah Bowden who performed as Sillabub in the Australian Circus Tent Tour production of CATS and is currently performing in the ensem…
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Ep207 - Victor Carrillo Tracey, Munkustrap in 2017 STAR Theatre Production & Swing in The Outsiders Broadway
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39:50"I tried to imbue as much of me as an older brother, as a leader among friends, in my role in the pack." This episode features Victor Carrillo Tracey who performed as Munkustrap in the 2017 STAR Theatre regional production of CATS and is currently performing as a swing in The Outsiders on Broadway. Hear Victor Carrillo share his family connection i…
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Ep206 - Elise O'Connell, Grizabella on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
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39:36"My favorite word that Grizabella has is ‘indomitable.’ She’s been beaten down and is not afraid to continue to stand back up." This episode features Elise O'Connell who is currently Grizabella on the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas productions of CATS. Hear Elise share she performed the T. S. Eliot poems in high school, her introdu…
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Ep205 - Jesse Chidera, Rum Tum Tugger on 2024 International Tour
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36:29" A lot of it was me trying to find a middle point. Most nights I would just pick up someone and have a little dance to them, make the crowd clap for them. Sometimes if there was a kid in the audience, I would give them a little high five. My favorite one was anytime if there was an empty seat in the front row. I would go sit down on that seat and …
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#35 - Tyler Tuck - How to Hear Your True Creative Voice
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1:43:42Tyler Tuck is an actor and creative deeply immersed in the world of film, storytelling, and self-discovery. Pursuing a creative path is never easy—especially in the high-stakes world of acting. So how do you stay grounded while navigating rejection, developing your craft, and staying true to your artistic voice? Expect to learn how creativity and v…
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Ep204 - Robert Bannon, Host of The Roundtable
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50:09" I conned my way into the Winter Garden on the back of my parents' wedding anniversary so that I got to experience CATS in person." This episode features Robert Bannon who is the host of The Roundtable which is another Broadway Podcast Network show. Hear how Robert conned his way into seeing CATS for the first time, his thoughts on all productions…
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#34 - Simone Torres - What Does It Take to Succeed in the Music Industry?
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1:38:26Grammy-nominated and diamond-certified, Simone Torres is a powerhouse engineer, vocal producer, singer, songwriter, and recording artist. Expect to learn about the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music industry, the significance of preparation and belief in achieving success, and the value of authenticity in personal branding. The convers…
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Ep203 - Lex Page Miller, Electra in 2015 Stage Left Children's Theater CATS
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32:19"My name is Alexis. Electra sounds a lot like Alexis. Is that why I got this part?" This episode features Lex Miller who performed as Electra in 2015 Stage Left Children's Theater production CATS. Hear Lex share the craziness of doing the show at such a young age, how their production did the full show for multiple weekends, and some fun things she…
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Ep202 - Lucas Thompson, Coricopat on US National Tour 5
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39:20" I definitely think what is appealing about swinging is that it really helps keep the show feeling fresh for you." This episode features Lucas Thompson who was a swing and Coricopat on the US National Tour 5 of CATS and sang in the CATS Chorus in the 2016 Revival. Hear Lucas share how he ended up in the various productions, how he approached cover…
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Ep201 - Pepe Muñoz, Admetus in Madrid & Santiago in Moulin Rouge on Broadway
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58:45"This can be the gift that keeps on giving. Jellicles Forever. I'm going to be a Jellicle forever. And I am." This episode features Pepe Muñoz who was in six different productions of CATS starting as Admetus in Madrid in 2003 and is currently performing as Santiago in Moulin Rouge The Musical on Broadway. Hear Pepe share how CATS changed his profes…
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#33 - What I Learned From 6 Failed Businesses
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26:04Walking through various creative endeavors, highlighting the failures and lessons learned along the way. From starting a booking company for hardcore bands to exploring the apparel business, transitioning into music production, and finally finding his passion in video production, Joey emphasizes the importance of embracing failure as a learning exp…
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Ep200 - Liz Callaway, Grizabella in Original Broadway Production
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59:30"Because they’re going to meet me there. They’re all going to eventually meet me there. I’m just first." This episode features Liz Callaway who performed as Grizabella in the original Broadway production of CATS and is one of the longest running Grizabellas from the run. Hear Liz discuss her introduction to CATS, her Grizabella backstory, what it's…
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LIVE @ BroadwayCon with The Cast and Creative of Cats “The Jellicle Ball”
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1:02:52To celebrate the 10th anniversary of BroadwayCon, we hosted a panel with the cast and creative of Cats “The Jellicle Ball” discussing their historic production. We were joined by director Bill Rauch along with Sydney James Harcourt, Dudney Joseph Jr., and Robert “Silk” Mason from the cast. About the Production: Cats: “The Jellicle Ball” is a radica…
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#32 - Joshua Bredl - Learning The Championship Mentality
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1:45:31Joey McClellan and Joshua Bredl delves into Joshua's athletic background, including his time in college football and his eventual participation in WWE's Tough Enough, highlighting the importance of confidence, creativity, and personal growth throughout his journey. Joshua Bredl shares his unique experiences in the world of wrestling and reality TV,…
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From The Vault: Melody Rose, Tantomile on National Tour 6
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47:22From The Vault: Originally released on July 29, 2021, this was Episode 53 with Melody Rose who was Tantomile on the US National Tour 6 of CATS. "I had a little plush Mistoffelees when I was younger." This episode features Melody Rose who played Tantomile in the most recent CATS National Tour. Hear Melody discuss how she was a CATS fanatic growing u…
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#31 - Gary Cherny(Eyes Of Salt) - How To Be A Hardcore Vocalist & A Guide To Hardcore Culture
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2:36:21Joey and Gary get into the evolution of hardcore music, the importance of self-defense, and the emotional impact of loss on songwriting. They explore the cultural shifts in the hardcore scene, the role of martial arts in personal safety, and the need for political awareness within the community. Gary shares insights into his songwriting process, em…
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#30 - Illien Rosewell - The Skills Behind Producing Hip-Hop Records for Big Names
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1:21:52Illien Rosewell, a recording artist and record producer who has produced records for artists like Big Boi, Westside Gunn and Benny The Butcher sits down with Joey to explore the evolution of music and art. They talk about the collaborative process behind the track 'Chocolate Face' with Westside Gunn. They delve into the intricacies of music product…
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Ep199 - Zach Raffio, Founder of The Broadway Beat
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54:35"By the end of her spiel, I was like, I still have no idea what this show is about." This episode features Zach Raffio who is the founder of a theater satire website called The Broadway Beat. Hear Zach share his experience with CATS junior, how he created The Broadway Beat, and some good advice for aspiring satire writers. Plus, Zach and Mike pick …
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#29 - Joshua Lopez AKA Klever Skemes - Exploring Many Disciplines Of Creativity
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1:32:58Klever Skemes, a multi-talented artist from Denver, shares his journey through music production, photography, and the creative process. He discusses his influences, the importance of learning through platforms like YouTube, and the nuances of collaborating with notable artists like Willie the Kid and Conway The Machine. The dialogue explores the ba…
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Ep198 - Chuck & Mickey Lubeck, Swings on US National Tour 4
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44:07"If we went on together, they would announce that the ‘Flying Lubecks’ were on." This episode features Chuck and Mickey Lubeck who were swings and dance captains on the US National Tour 4 of CATS for many years. Hear about how they met before tour, grew their family on tour, and all kinds of fun memories from their time in CATS. Plus, there is a fu…
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#28 - Aric Abraham - The Balance Of Creativity & Profitability
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1:36:15We explore the complexities of the film industry, discussing the challenges of maintaining optimism amidst jaded perspectives, the impact of industry instability, and the balance between creativity and profitability. We analyze recent box office failures, the abstract nature of certain films, and the bold performances of actors like Emma Stone. We …
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From The Vault: Colin Cunliffe, Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway Revival
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1:06:23From The Vault: Originally released on March 9, 2021, this was Episode 37 with Colin Cunliffe who was Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS. "We have a lot to talk about Mike because I listened to your Skimble..." This episode features Colin Cunliffe who played Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway revival. Hear Colin break down all of th…
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#27 - Ian Zeikus - How To GAIN Muscle And Foster Creativity
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50:55Can building muscle be a creative endeavor? Some of the challenges you face building muscle or losing fat can come down to the amount of calories you are or are not consuming. In this conversation with Ian Zeikus we explore the multifaceted world of bodybuilding, emphasizing the importance of creativity, personal journeys, and the need for a solid …
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From The Vault: Christopher Gurr, Gus in the 2016 Broadway revival
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27:45From The Vault: Originally released on November 7, 2019, this was Episode 8 with Christopher Gurr who was Gus in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS. This episode features Christopher Gurr who played Gus and Bustopher Jones during the 2016 Broadway revival. Christopher and Mike discuss the musical, fan theories, and who Christopher thinks is more wor…
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Ep197 - Jenny Mollet, Jellylorum in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" & Alternate in SIX on Broadway
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39:35"I see everyone has stars in that room. No one is going to dim your light except for you. You can’t let anyone dim your light." We couldn't get enough of the PAC production so this episode is with Jenny Mollet who was Jellylorum in Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball." Jenny shares her exper…
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Ep196 - Jennifer Ashley Tepper, Author of Women Writing Musicals: The Legacy that the History Books Left Out
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39:06"I took my family to go see the CATS movie right before Covid. They all said to me ‘that’s going to be the last movie we ever see’ and it’s become a long running family joke." This episode features Jennifer Ashley Tepper who an acclaimed theatre historian, author, and producer, the Creative and Programming Director at 54 Below and the author of “Wo…
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Ep195 - Kevin Zak, Swing on US National Tour 5
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1:00:53"Sometimes I look back and I’m like I don’t think I was good enough to do CATS. But I did it. And I was a swing and being a swing on a non-equity tour is kind of like being a traveling mascot people spit on a lot. It was an interesting experience." This episode features Kevin Zak who was a swing on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Hear Kevin share s…
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From The Vault: Claire Camp, Dance Captain & Swing in 2016 Broadway Revival
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1:11:12From The Vault: Originally released on June 22, 2021, this was Episode 52 with Claire Camp who was a Dance Captain & Swing in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS. "This show will change your life if you let it." This episode features Claire Camp who was the dance captain and a swing in the 2016 Broadway revival. Hear Claire explain her deep love for …
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Ep194 - Ana Villafañe, Grizabella in Our Lady of Lourdes Academy High School Production
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47:48"When the auditions came, I’m a 17 year old girl so I wanted to be a sexy cat. I wanted to be Rum Tum Tugger and since it was all girls you could have. That was my dream. But I got cast as Grizabella." This episode features Ana Villafañe who performed as Grizabella in her all girls Catholic high school production of CATS in Miami. Hear Ana share ho…
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Ep193 - Wendi Bergamini, Jellylorum on US National Tour 5 & Ensemble in Once Upon A Mattress
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41:35"The very first thing they said was there is a very real plot to CATS. It’s not just poems put to song and talking about this real meaning behind the Jellicle Ball and who goes to the Heaviside Layer." This episode features Wendi Bergamini who played Jellylorum and is currently performing in the ensemble of Once Upon A Mattress on Broadway. Hear We…
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BONUS - Eitan Levine, Macavity in Katz The Musical at Camp Kaleidoscope
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29:58"They did the production of CATS, which at the time I really don't think I thought about how hilarious it was that the camp director just decided to name it KATZ but my parents obviously got a chuckle out of it." This bonus episode features Eitan Levine who played Macavity at his Jewish day camp named Camp Kaleidoscope where they renamed the produc…
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Ep192 - Allison Little, Swing/Dance Captain on US National Tour 5
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44:28"We’d always say Shove With Love. If someone doesn’t know where they are going, you should Shove With Love." This episode features Allison Little who was a swing and a Dance Captain on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Hear Allison share how she had a full circle moment from seeing the show as kid, what the role of Dance Captain adds to the show, and…
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Ep191 - Laura Cable, Jellylorum on US National Tour 5
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49:46"Our rule was eight minutes. If someone had some sort of injury, a sickness, or something that happened to them mid-show, as a swing we were told you need to be on the stage in eight minutes." This episode features Laura Cable who played Jellylorum on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Hear Laura share really fun stories from her time as a swing on to…
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Ep190 - Amanda LaMotte, Tantomile/Swing on US National Tour 5 & Ensemble in Once Upon A Mattress
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39:58"I feel like I always have intrusive thoughts. I do really want to knock that person’s water bottle over just to mess with them. But I would never do it in real life. But as Rumple, you kind of get to." This episode features Amanda LaMotte who played Tantomile and was a swing on the US National Tour 5 of CATS and is currently performing in the ense…
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Ep189 - JJ Niemann, Mr. Mistoffelees in Elon University 2017 Winter Production of CATS & Ensemble in the Back To The Future Musical
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36:07"I went out and bought a cat tail, ears, cut up fingerless gloves. I had a white tank top with a black vest. I looked insane." This episode features JJ Niemann who played the magical Mr Mistoffelees in the Elon University 2017 Winter Production of CATS and is currently in the ensemble in the Back To The Future Musical. Hear JJ share all about the c…
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Ep188 - Qween Jean, Costume Design in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
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38:21Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "That was my immediate first question. I was like, are we doing tails? What’s the tea? I had some other ideas." This episode is with Qween Je…
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Ep187 - Will Porter, Mungojerrie on US National Tour 5
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55:18"At the beginning of the show Grizabella was just the teacher. At the end, Grizabella went to the Heaviside Layer in a way that we could afford." This episode features Will Porter who played Mungojerrie on the US National Tour 5 of CATS as well as regionally. Hear Will share incredible stories from his time on tour, many new theories about the char…
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Ep186 - Sophie Carmen-Jones, Macavity Girl in 2019 CATS Movie & Nini in Moulin Rouge on Broadway
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38:17"We were like Taylor Swift's little side chicks." This episode features Sophie Carmen-Jones who was one of the Macavity Girls in the 2019 CATS Movie and is currently performing as Nini in Moulin Rouge The Musical on Broadway after originating the role in the West End. Hear Sophie discuss what it was like being in the infamous movie, her experience …
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Ep185 - Erica Leigh Hansen, Jennyanydots on US National Tour 5 and Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
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45:37"I've done it with Richard Stafford which is the American version and I've done it with Chrissie Cartwright which is the British version. And those are not the same shows." This episode features Erica Leigh Hansen who played Jennyanydots on the US National Tour 5 of CATS as well as on the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas first and th…
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Ep184 - André De Shields, Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
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57:11Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "A theater is a temple. This is the fourth institution where the five necessary questions are answered. You have to answer a question. You ha…
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Ep183 - Primo, Tumblebrutus in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
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42:53Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "He also has to have that edge of realness. Like straight passing. Because his life outside of this space is not the same." This episode feat…
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Ep182 - Teddy Wilson Jr, Sillabub in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
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39:18Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "We were trying to figure out how to push that envelope with Sillabub being the watcher. Zhailon came up to me and was like, what if you had …
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Ep181 - Dava Huesca, Rumpleteazer in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
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35:32Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "It’s giving like she won Legendary and got the million dollar prize. This is a game show and she wants some coin." This episode features Dav…
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BONUS - CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" Conversation with Jacob Brent, 1998 CATS Movie Mr. Mistoffelees
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50:06"Theater is moving forward and I think it happened the same way with the same show. When I saw it I had that feeling that this is a real mile marker in musical theater history again with the show." This bonus episode is a conversation about CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" featuring Jacob Brent who played Mr. Mistoffelees on Broadway and in the 1998 CATS …
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LIVE @ BroadwayCon with Omari Wiles & Arturo Lyons, Choreographers of "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
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33:10Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. We were live at BroadwayCon 2024 with Omari Wiles and Arturo Lyons, the choreography team behind CATS: "The Jellicle Ball," to chat about rei…
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