This is the She Said Privacy / He Said Security podcast with Jodi and Justin Daniels. Like any good marriage, Jodi and Justin will debate, evaluate, and sometimes quarrel about how privacy and security impact business in the 21st century.
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How AI Is Rewriting the Rules of Cybersecurity
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27:34John Graves is an innovative legal leader and Senior Counsel at Nisos Holdings, Inc. He has a diverse legal background at the intersection of law, highly regulated industry, and technology. John has over two decades of legal experience advising business leaders, global privacy teams, CISOs and security teams, product groups, and compliance function…
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The Blueprint for a Global Privacy and Security Program
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30:31Robert S. Jett III (“Bob”) serves as the first Global Chief Data Privacy Officer at Bunge, where he leads global privacy initiatives and supports key projects in digital transformation, AI, and data management. With over 30 years of legal and in-house counsel experience across manufacturing, insurance, and financial services, he has built and manag…
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Navigating Privacy Compliance When AI Changes Everything
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36:14Mason Clutter is a Partner and Privacy Lead at Frost Brown Todd Attorneys, previously serving as Chief Privacy Officer for the US Department of Homeland Security. Mason’s practice is at the intersection of privacy, security, and technology. She works with clients to operationalize privacy and security, helping them achieve their goals and build and…
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How Privacy is Reshaping the Ad Tech Industry
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37:44Allison Schiff is the Managing Editor at AdExchanger, where she covers mobile, Meta, measurement, privacy, and the app economy. Allison received her MA in journalism from the Dublin Institute of Technology in Ireland (her favorite place) and a BA in history and English from Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass. In this episode… Ad tech companies ar…
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How to Build a Global Privacy Program That Enables Growth
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22:31Heather Kuhn is Privacy, Security, and Technology Counsel at Genuine Parts Company. She is a privacy and technology attorney with nearly two decades of professional cross-industry experience. She teaches at Georgia State College of Law, serves on the Georgia Bar’s AI Committee, and formerly chaired its Privacy & Technology Section, leading conversa…
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Helping Seniors Avoid Digital Scams, One Click at a Time
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40:14Alexandria “Lexi” Lutz is a privacy attorney and the Founder of Opt-Inspire, Inc., a nonprofit dedicated to helping seniors and youth build digital confidence and avoid online scams. By day, she serves as Senior Corporate Counsel at Nordstrom, advising on privacy, cybersecurity, and AI across the retail and technology landscape. In this episode… On…
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Real AI Risks No One Wants To Talk About And What Companies Can Do About Them
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36:50Anne Bradley is the Chief Customer Officer at Luminos. Anne helps in-house legal, tech, and data science teams use the Luminos platform to manage the automated AI risk, compliance, and approval processes, statistical testing, and legal documentation. Anne also serves on the Board of Directors of the Future of Privacy Forum, a nonprofit that serves …
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Privacy in the Loop: Why Human Training Is AI’s Greatest Weakness and Strength
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28:22Nick Oldham is the Chief Operations Officer, USIS, and Global Chief Risk, Privacy and Compliance Officer at Equifax Inc. A forward-thinking legal and operations executive, Nick has a proven track record of driving large-scale transformations by integrating legal expertise with strategic operational leadership. He oversees all enterprise-wide second…
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Where Strategy Meets Reality in AI Governance
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29:22Andrew Clearwater is a Partner at Dentons’ Privacy and Cybersecurity Team and a recognized authority in privacy and AI governance. Formerly a founding leader at OneTrust, he oversaw privacy and AI initiatives, contributed to key data protection standards, and holds over 20 patents. Andrew advises businesses on responsible tech implementation, helpi…
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Endpoints-on-Wheels: Protecting Company and Employee Data in Cars
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39:04Merry Marwig is the VP Global Communications & Advocacy at Privacy4Cars. Merry is a pro-consumer, pro-business privacy advocate who is optimistic about what data privacy rights mean for everyday people — and for the companies they do business with. At Privacy4Cars, she helps protect drivers’ and passengers’ personal data while creating business opp…
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Agentic AI for Software Security: Eliminate More Vulnerabilities, Triage Less
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29:17Ian Riopel is the CEO and Co-founder of Root, applying agentic AI to fix vulnerabilities instantly. A US Army veteran and former Counterintelligence Agent, he’s held roles at Cisco, CloudLock, and Rapid7. Ian brings military-grade security expertise to software supply chains. John Amaral is the CTO and Co-founder of Root. Previously, he scaled Cisc…
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Operationalizing Privacy Across Teams, Tools, and Tech
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27:47Sarah Stalnecker is the Global Privacy Director at New Balance Athletics, Inc., where she leads the integration of privacy principles across the organization, driving awareness and compliance through education, streamlined processes, and technology solutions. In this episode… Operationalizing privacy programs starts with translating legal requireme…
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Outsmarting Threats: How AI is Changing the Cyber Game
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21:32Brett Ewing is the Founder and CEO of AXE.AI, a cutting-edge cybersecurity SaaS start-up, and the Chief Information Security Officer at 3DCloud. He has built a career in offensive cybersecurity, focusing on driving exponential improvement. Brett progressed from a Junior Penetration Tester to Chief Operating Officer at Strong Crypto, a provider of c…
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Privacy Reform Is Coming to Australia: What Businesses Need To Know
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32:01James Patto is the Partner of Helios Salinger. He is a leading voice in Australia’s tech law landscape, trusted by business and government on privacy, cybersecurity, and AI issues. With over a decade of experience as a digital lawyer, he helps organizations turn regulation into opportunity — bridging law, innovation, and strategy to build trust and…
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Terms, Tech & Trust: A Privacy Deep Dive With Harvey AI
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30:13Anita Gorney is the Head of Privacy and AI Legal at Harvey. Harvey is an AI tool for legal professionals and professional service providers. Before Harvey, she was Privacy Counsel at Stripe. Anita studied law in Sydney and began her career there before moving to London and then New York. In this episode… Legal professionals often spend time on manu…
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Silent Threats Lurking in Your Child’s Devices and How To Avoid Them
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31:09Ben Halpert is a cybersecurity leader, educator, and advocate dedicated to empowering digital citizens. As a Fractional CISO, author, and the founder of Savvy Cyber Kids, he advances cyber safety and ethics. A sought-after speaker, Ben shares insights globally, shaping secure digital futures at work, school, and home. In this episode… Many parents …
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Improving Cyber Readiness: Lessons from Real-World Investigations
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22:13Todd Renner is a seasoned cybersecurity professional with over 25 years of experience leading global cyber investigations, incident response efforts, and digital asset recovery operations. He advises clients on a wide range of cybersecurity and data privacy matters, combining deep technical knowledge with a strategic understanding of risk, complian…
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Top Takeaways From IAPP GPS 2025 and Atlanta AI Week
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19:07Jodi Daniels is the Founder and CEO of Red Clover Advisors, a privacy consultancy, that integrates data privacy strategy and compliance into a flexible, scalable approach that simplifies complex privacy challenges. A Certified Information Privacy Professional, Jodi brings over 27 years of experience in privacy, marketing, strategy, and finance acro…
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From Principle to Practice: What Privacy Pros Need to Succeed
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34:03Peter Kosmala is a course developer and instructor at York University in Canada and leads its Information Privacy Program. Peter is a former marketer, technologist, lobbyist, and association leader and a current consultant, educator, and international speaker. He served the IAPP as Vice President and led the launch of the CIPP certification in the …
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Making Privacy Tech Work: Why Process is the Game-Changer
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23:02Amanda Moore is a seasoned leader with extensive experience in privacy strategy, technology, and operations. She currently serves as the Senior Director of Privacy at DIRECTV, where she oversees the company’s privacy program with respect to technology and operations. Prior to her role at DIRECTV, she held pivotal positions at CVS Health and AT&T le…
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Brian Mullin is the CEO and Co-founder of Karlsgate. He is also a creator of Karlsgate Identity Exchange, a groundbreaking solution for zero-trust remote data matching and integration. Brian has over 30 years of experience in data privacy and security with leadership roles at companies across the data-driven marketing ecosystem. In this episode… Da…
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How AI Is Revolutionizing Contract Reviews for Legal Teams
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33:00Farah Gasmi is the Co-founder and CPO of Dioptra, the accurate and customizable AI agent that drafts playbooks and consistently redlines contracts in Microsoft Word. Dioptra is trusted by some of the most innovative teams, like Y Combinator and Wilson Sonsini. She has over 10 years of experience building AI products in healthcare, insurance, and te…
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Inside Cybersecurity: How Hackers Think and How To Stop Them
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34:34David Kennedy is the Founder and CEO of TrustedSec and Co-founder at Binary Defense. He is considered an industry leader in cybersecurity. As the former Chief Security Officer of Diebold, David has led global cybersecurity teams, testified before Congress, and continues to shape cybersecurity policy. He co-authored the Penetration Testing Execution…
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Solving Privacy and Security Challenges in Healthcare Data Collaboration
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32:09Jason Brenner is the RVP of Healthcare & Lifesciences at LiveRamp and has been working in the advertising and ad tech industries for over 20 years. He is leading efforts on building data connectivity solutions for the healthcare and life sciences industries. Prior to LiveRamp, Jason has held leadership positions at Placed, Verve, PayPal, Time Inc.,…
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ISACA 2025 State of Privacy Survey Findings
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34:47Niel Harper is a Certified Director and ISACA Board Vice Chair. He is also the Chief Information Security Officer and Data Protection Officer at Doodle. Niel is based in Germany. He has more than 20 years of experience in IT risk management, cybersecurity, privacy, Internet governance and policy, and digital transformation. Safia Kazi is the Privac…
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Stephen Bolinger, Chief Privacy Officer at Informa, has a career that spans three continents and more than two decades, with the last seventeen years devoted to privacy and data protection matters across a range of industries, including tech, medical devices, and financial services. Stephen produced a fascinating film called Privacy People. In this…
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Proactive Approaches to Cyber Risk Management
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32:46Dave Sampson is the Vice President of Cyber Risk & Strategy at Thrive. In his role, he heads Thrive’s Consulting Practice, where he and his team of experts join forces with clients to deliver strategic guidance on a range of topics, including cybersecurity, IT operations, Cloud, Microsoft 365, compliance, disaster recovery planning, and more. Over …
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The Leadership Edge: Why Coaching Matters for Privacy Pros
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31:46Doug Miller is an Executive Coach at Doug Miller Strategies, a consultancy for privacy and compliance executives, professionals, and teams. Having been a Global Privacy Leader at AOL and Yahoo, he's faced the challenges of overburdened privacy teams firsthand. In this episode… Privacy professionals face unique challenges in their roles, often worki…
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Navigating CIPA Claims: Strategies for Protecting Your Business
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29:27Jessica Lee chairs Loeb & Loeb's Privacy, Security & Data Innovations practice and serves as Chief Privacy & Security Partner. She provides strategic legal counsel to companies navigating complex data governance issues, helping them turn compliance into a competitive advantage. Jessica advises on the full spectrum of privacy, security, and AI-relat…
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Data Enablement & Responsible AI in Regulated Industries: Transforming Compliance Into Innovation
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28:19Timothy Nobles, Chief Commercial Officer at Integral, is passionate about empowering organizations to explore the full potential of their data while maintaining the highest standards of privacy and compliance. With over 20 years of experience in data and analytics, he has held leadership roles at innovative companies across multiple industries. In …
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Outsmarting Deepfakes: A New Era of Identity Verification
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31:53Aaron Painter is a deepfake expert and the CEO of Nametag, an identity verification company at the forefront of stopping social engineering attacks at the employee IT helpdesk. In this episode… New cybersecurity threats, like deepfakes and social engineering attacks, are forcing companies to rethink their security measures and fraud prevention proc…
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Health Data, Privacy, and Ethical Marketing: What Companies Need To Know
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21:42Ben Chapman is the General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer at Swoop. Prior to Swoop, Ben was the Deputy General Counsel for Real Chemistry. He has nearly 10 years of experience in ad tech, data, and privacy matters. In this episode… Companies that operate in the healthcare marketing space, like Swoop, approach privacy by emphasizing transparency,…
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Integrating Privacy Across Healthcare, Retail, and Business Operations
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29:12Natalie LaPorta is the Chief US Privacy Officer for Walgreens, where she focuses on various privacy matters that impact US patient and consumer data privacy, including state and federal data privacy compliance, complex contract negotiations, digital privacy, de-identification, AI, analytics, and marketing. Prior to her most recent role at Walgreens…
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Developing Resilient Cybersecurity Strategies for Businesses
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36:43Shay Colson is a Co-founder and Managing Partner at Intentional Cybersecurity, a risk assessment and strategic advisory firm. After spending his early career as a security engineer for the US Government, he worked for a global consulting firm. In this episode… The evolving cyber landscape constantly presents new challenges that require businesses t…
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Privacy as a Business Driver: How To Build Effective Programs
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31:36Julia Shullman is the General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer at Telly, the world's first dual-screen smart TV fully paid for by advertising. Prior to Telly, Julia was General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer at TripleLift, through its $1.4B acquisition by Vista Equity Partners. She also held various leadership positions, including Chief Privacy…
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Your Data, Your Rules: How Cloaked Puts You in Control of Privacy and Security
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26:51Arjun and Abhijay Bhatnagar are Co-founders of Cloaked, a consumer privacy company. As developers and privacy advocates, they have created a secure, all-in-one privacy platform that gives consumers control over their personal information while helping reshape how industries access, use, and think about data. In this episode… The digital world often…
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From McPrivacy to Mastery: A Collaborative Approach To Building Strategic Privacy Programs
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25:37Alan Chapell is the President of Chapell & Associates, a law firm serving the interactive technology, media, and advertising industries. He has served for 20 years as an outside counsel and privacy advisor to VC-funded AdTech and MarTech companies. Alan is also the Principal Analyst for The Chapell Report, a monthly continuous information research …
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Mothers Against Cyber Crime: Tackling Cyber Threats at Home
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25:44Allie Hunter, author of Mothers Against Cyber Crime, is a cybersecurity awareness advocate, advisory board member at Savvy Cyber Kids, and mother. With a background in psychology, marketing, and behavioral science, she empowers parents to protect their families online. Her work blends storytelling with practical insights, making cyber safety access…
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Privacy Risk Assessments: Aligning Business With Compliance
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20:27Alan L. Friel is Chair of Squire Patton Boggs’ Data Privacy, Cybersecurity & Digital Assets Practice. He is tier-1 ranked by Chambers, and BTI Consulting Group has named Alan a Client Service All-Star, recognizing lawyers who stand above all others in delivering exceptional client service. In this episode… Evolving privacy regulations like the Cali…
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How Secure is Your Health Data and Why Does it Matter?
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22:19Anna Hall is an educator, mother of two, and Co-founder of Embody, a privacy-forward menstrual health and wellness app. In this episode… As awareness grows around health data privacy, misconceptions about protecting menstrual health data remain widespread. That’s because menstrual health data is often commodified and can be shared or sold without e…
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Integrating Privacy Into Business Operations: A Cross-Collaborative Approach
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30:05Christin McMeley is the SVP and Chief Privacy and Data Strategy Officer at Comcast, a role that involves partnering across Comcast's business units and spearheading the execution of enterprise privacy and data governance strategies, focusing on responsible use of data and artificial intelligence. As an attorney, Christin is experienced in privacy c…
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Insights from IANS CISO Compensation and Budget Survey
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24:26Nick Kakolowski is the Senior Research Director at IANS Research, where he specializes in the managerial, leadership, risk management, privacy, and regulatory compliance components of the company’s curriculum. In this episode… The role of the Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) is expanding. Many CISOs are now responsible for more than just s…
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How Grammarly Embeds Trust and Transparency Into Its Privacy, Security, and AI Programs
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41:09Jennifer Miller is Grammarly’s General Counsel. She focuses on enabling Grammarly to grow and innovate while carefully managing business risk. Her responsibilities include navigating AI and regulation and scaling the company’s managed business. Suha Can is Grammarly’s CISO and VP of Engineering, leading global security, privacy, compliance, and ide…
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Navigating Digital Entropy: Insights from IAPP’s Organizational Digital Governance Report
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29:05Joe Jones serves as the Director of Research and Insights at the IAPP. Previously, he served as the UK Government’s Deputy Head of Digital Trade, where he was responsible for digital policy. Joe also served as a private practice lawyer on international data issues. In this episode… Companies are grappling with the challenges of managing privacy, se…
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How To Stay Privacy-Conscious in the Evolving AdTech World
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33:16Daniel B. Rosenzweig is the Founder and Principal Attorney at DBR Data Privacy Solutions, a boutique data privacy law firm. He advises clients on legal and technical compliance with data protection and privacy laws and counsels clients on the responsible use of AI, AdTech, and privacy-enhancing technologies. Dan’s legal practice is unique in that h…
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A CISO’s Guide To Using AI in Governance, Risk, & Compliance Programs
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30:47Rob Black is the Founder of Fractional CISO and has guided numerous companies in enhancing their security postures. With extensive experience in product and corporate security roles at prominent companies like PTC, Axeda, and RSA Security, Rob is recognized as a trusted authority in risk management and cybersecurity innovation. In this episode… As …
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Crafting a Cutting-Edge AI Governance Program: A Must-Know Guide for Businesses
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33:12Arsen Kourinian is a Partner in Mayer Brown’s AI Governance and Cybersecurity & Data Privacy practices. He advises clients on data privacy and AI laws and frameworks. Arsen has published numerous articles regarding nuanced issues in these fields, including a forthcoming book entitled Implementing a Global Artificial Intelligence Governance Program.…
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The Future of Ad Tech: Privacy-Savvy Strategies for Businesses
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38:48Darren Abernethy is a Shareholder in Greenberg Traurig's data, privacy, and cybersecurity practice. As an AdTech and data privacy attorney, he is licensed to practice law in California, New York, and Washington, DC. Darren holds seven IAPP Certified Information Privacy Professional, Manager, and Technologist certifications. In this episode… Talks a…
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From Codes to Security by Design: Navigating Software Cybersecurity
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28:51Shanti Ariker is the Chief Legal Officer of JFrog (NASDAQ: FROG), where she leads the company’s global legal policy development and compliance. She is a solution-creator with global legal expertise, leveraging more than 20 years of experience working with high-growth technology companies to act as a trusted business advisor to CEO and executive tea…
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State Privacy Laws Are Shifting: What Businesses Need to Know
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33:47Omer Tene is a Partner in Goodwin’s Technology group and Data, Privacy, and Cybersecurity practice. For the past two decades, he has consulted governments, regulatory agencies, and businesses on privacy, cybersecurity, and data management. Omer is also an Affiliate Scholar at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society and a Senior Fellow at the F…
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