What's going on with health and food policy right now? Each week dietitian and author Jessica Wilson shares her conversations with experts in their field or on their farm and figures out how we got here and why. Jessica has followed the ultra-processed food hysteria to trad wife pipeline and the direct path from COVID conspiracies to RFK Jr to the current administration. From her conversation with the Make America Healthy Again spokesperson to the Oregon beef farmer this podcast connects it ...
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The MAHA Strategy Report: Policy Amateur Hour with Trampus Harmon, Selena Salfen, MPH RD, and Meghan Cichy, MPH RD
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41:07MAHA’s Making Our Children Healthy Again Strategy Report is out, and “strategy” is a generous term for this document. Beef farmer Trampus Harmon and public health dietitians Selena Salfen and Meghan Cichy return to the show to share their thoughts. Post production note: Dr. Casey Means has resumed the path to becoming Surgeon General and is declari…
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Leveling Down: Levels Health, CGMs and the False Promises of Data-Driven Health with Selena Salfen and Meghan Cichy
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1:16:30Would you ever add chia seeds to your latte? Levels Health, a health-tech startup co-founded by presumptive Surgeon General Casey Means, is a deeply unserious company and provides both hilarious and irresponsible guidance on its app. Public health dietitians Selena Salfen and Meghan Cichy return to the show to discuss our 30 days of using a CGM pai…
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Ultra-Processed Foods, Reader Meltdowns, and Nutrition Reporting with Jamie Ducharme!
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45:16Journalist Jamie Ducharme joins the show for the 100th episode!! She talks with Jessica about her experiences after the TIME magazine article, “Still Processing; Not all Ultra-Processed Foods are the same. Or, some argue, even unhealthy.”* was published. RFK Jr entered the chat about the article and things got a bit out of hand. The two talk about …
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Re-Grifting: Bryan Johnson's Blueprint and the Cult of Longevity with Jen Jacobs
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1:14:02Bryan Johnson made a fortune and then decided to spend it on rivaling Jesus Christ and developing his Blueprint supplement line. Johnson was born, raised and married Mormon before leaving that religion and family to pursue eternal life on his own. He is the health and tech crossover personified. His quest for longevity has led him to replace his pl…
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Wearable Devices and the Delusion of Knowledge with Dr. Maisha Davis
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37:40Dr. Maisha Davis joins the pod for a hilarious chat about using constant glucose monitoring devices (CGMs), the Levels app and the Oura ring. The two talk about how and why collecting and reviewing health data can be comforting to some people, and also how using a CGM could be a slippery slope. Jessica and Maisha are currently using the Dexcom 7 an…
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Re-Release! Part 2: "No food is better than bad food" says UCSF's Dr. Lustig
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29:59What can listeners take from Jessica’s conversation with Dr. Robert Lustig? She looks at the interview through a historical lens and addresses eugenics and war. She then shares some possible present day applications. Jessica also shares feedback she’s gotten from listeners and from a few people working for UCSF. Lustig’s article in Frontiers: http…
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Ketogenic Diets For Epilepsy: Jessica’s Keto Experience with Dr. Lexi Brown
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1:06:04Dr. Lexi Brown returns to the show to talk to Jessica about her hospitalization last year and the options she was given to treat her epilepsy. Not interested in brain surgery, Jessica was willing to try the next option: a ketogenic diet. Since January Jessica has been trialing a ketogenic diet to mixed results, mostly due to her questionable choice…
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Constant Glucose Monitoring and the Levels App; an Experiment with Selena Salfen MPH RD
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32:52RFK Jr wants us all to be using wearable devices! Presumptive Surgeon General, Casey Means, co-founded Levels Health which pledges to unlock our metabolic health through the use of a constant glucose monitor(CGM). What is a CGM, what promises are made by Levels, and should we care? Jessica and Selena Salfen are going to find out! The two have teame…
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Childfree By Choice; Joyful, Unapologetic Childfree Women Frighten the Patriarchy
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55:59Chrissy King joins Jessica Wilson, MS RD for a conversation about being childfree by choice. Chrissy talks about how she made her decision and how Jessica didn’t ever think it was a choice she needed to make. Chrissy got to share her thoughts on many things including the marketing of parenthood, the idea of it taking a village to raise a child and …
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Re-release: "No food is better than bad food" says UCSF's Dr. Lustig. Part 1
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35:31Re-release! Originally published 9/14/23. After receiving an email from Dr. Robert Lustig about his concerns with Jessica's work she was fortunate enough to catch Dr. Lustig on the phone for this interview. In addition to giving her advice on what to tell a patient who needed to choose between a can of ravioli or nothing he shared his beliefs about…
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The Womanosphere, Food Politics and the Next Body Ideal
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32:54Jessica is joined by Lindsay Lee Wallace for the second of two episodes about the womanosphere. The two talk about the performance of the womanosphere, and more of the media side of things including skinnytok and Evie magazine. Evie magazine is the conservative magazine for cis women that encourages us to seek truth and find beauty. Jessica gets th…
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The Womanosphere, Cuteservatives, and Choice Feminism with Cecily Nelson-Alford
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38:09The womanosphere is here! Are we ready? In the first of two episodes exploring the womanosphere and what it means for us, dietitian and author Jessica Wilson is joined by Cecily Nelson-Alford to talk about feminism and gender. The two discuss Evie Magazine, social media and why the messages of the womanosphere might be appealing. Cecily talks about…
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Re-Release! Queerness, Christianity, & 50% Off Ozempic for Pride!? with Kent Thomas, MSW
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46:5150% off Ozempic for Pride!!! Jessica heads back to NYC this year, this time over Pride weekend rather than before. A year ago Kent Thosmas, MSW joined Jessica to talk about this ad and her visit to the clinic offering the deal, and what this means for gay men. Kent shared how his Christianity played into his eating disorder and the two talk about q…
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Holding Onto Hope and Humanity; ICE, Palestine and Black Liberation
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42:13Jessica Wilson, MS RD is joined by Malak (whose last name and appearance we're not sharing to protect her safety) to discuss the intersections of ICE, Palestine and Black liberation. Malak was recently a part of a mental health delegation that traveled to Palestine and shares the stories of those she met. The two talk settler colonialism, surveilla…
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Re-Grifting: Paul Saladino and His Carnivore Creep with Beef Farmer Trampus Harmon
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50:59Paul Saladino is LOUD and literally banks on fear. He thinks we live in a zoo. He used to be a carnivore and sold the idea, and then started eating plants. He’s said many deeply ridiculous and dangerous things. He is the reason Erewhon has a raw meat smoothie and the primary reason we overthink seed oils. He knows how much meat Jessica should eat i…
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The First MAHA Report: What’s In, What’s Out, and What’s Wrong with Selena Salfen, MPH, RDN and Meghan Cichy, MPH, RDN
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1:02:08The first MAHA report, the “Make Our Children Healthy Again Assessment” came out on 5/22/25, and Selena Salfen, MPH RDN, and Meghan Cichy MPH RDN join Jessica to discuss it. The report came out at least two additional times, due to “formatting errors” which was a fancy label for AI errors. NOTUS was the first news outlet to report the citations tha…
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Re-release!: Making It Awkward at UCSF's Trans Health Summit, with Calvin Gilbert, FNP
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27:07This podcast’s origin story! Originally airing 10/26/23 Jessica is joined by nurse practitioner Calvin Gilbert to recount their presentation about weight stigma in trans care at UCSF’s 2023 Trans Health Summit and what led to a medical doctor being escorted out of the room. Jessica talks with Calvin about what happened the previous day and why it m…
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Pronatalism, Eugenics, Fertility and Climate Justice with Dr. Eoin Flaherty
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1:17:57The Trump administration has talked about using awards, scholarships and cash as incentives to have more children. People see Elon as a leader in pronatalism conversations. Dr. Eoin Flaherty is back on the show to connect the dots between population control, pronatalism, and the environment. Eoin talks with Jessica about the Better Baby fairs of th…
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Re-Grifting: Casey and Calley Means; Taking Truemed to the White House with Selena Salfen, MPH, RDN
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1:10:09Selena Selfan, MPH, RD is back for the next installment in the re-grifting series! She is the resident Means Siblings Scholar and talks to host Jessica Wilson, MS RD about her deep dive! Dr. Casey Means is currently the presumptive nominee for Surgeon General. Her brother Calley Means is a special advisor to RFK Jr and cofounder of Truemed. The two…
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Poppers 101, RFK Jr, B*tt Stuff and the State of Sex Ed with Blake Flaugher, MPH
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55:18Jessica Wilson, MS. RD. is joined by Blake Flaugher, MPH, to give Jessica a full breakdown of poppers and RFK Jr.’s AIDS denialism. Jessica is very curious about butt stuff and Blake expertly answers her questions. He also answers a listener question about the spectrum of asexuality. The two have this conversation at a brewery and got the opportuni…
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100 Days of Hellth and the MAHA Commission with Meghan Cichy, MPH, RDN and Selena Salfen, MPH, RDN
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52:05It’s been 100 days of Hellth in America and boy do we need a vacation. This week Jessica is joined by dietitians Meghan Cichy and Selena Salfen to discuss what has happened in public health this year, and break down the MAHA Commission. They talk through what RFK Jr. and MAHA have been up to and how it will impact childhood nutrition. Jessica asks …
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Beef Tallow and the Ethics of Colostrum Supplements with Dr. Sarah Dougherty and Trampus Harmon
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49:20How do we get beef tallow and is it actually less processed than seed oils? And if companies are using colostrum for their supplements, are they taking it away from baby cows? Dr. Sarah Dougherty and Beef farmer Trampus Harmon return to the show for a spirited conversation about the renaissance of cow byproducts. Trampus explains how he makes tallo…
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5G, Conspiracies and the Post-Truth Era with Dr. Eoin Flaherty of Maynooth University
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47:08Have you wondered how 5G conspiracies developed or what makes some people more vulnerable to conspiracy theories? Today Jessica talks with Dr. Eoin Flaherty, assistant professor at Maynooth University to find the answers to these questions and many others. The two talk about conspiracism and the post-truth era in which we’re living. Dr. Flaherty ex…
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Re-release! Making America Healthy Again; Part 2
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Great British Bake-Off’s Mike Wilkins on Farming and Queer Life in the UK
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1:00:22Great British Bake-Off alum Mike Wilkins joins the show to talk about farming and queerness in the UK! He is a fourth -generation farmer, working alongside his family on their farm, Nolands. He has a weekly Instagram series about what he’s been up to on the farm and it’s an absolute joy to watch. In this episode Jessica and Mike chat about the inte…
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Crack, Cheetos & Cigarettes; Soda Taxes Pt. 2 with Blake Flaugher MPH and Raeann Bowlds MPH
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45:04Soda taxes take 2. Jesica is joined by Raeann Bowlds, MPH and Blake Flaugher, MPH to discuss Dr. Kelly Brownell’s claims that crack, soda, Cheetos, and baby formula do the same things in our brains and our bodies. The three talk about tobacco and soda taxes to see if the two are the same, and what Berkeley CA has done (or hasn’t done) with its soda…
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MAHA Moms, Measles and Medical History with Dr. Bethany Johnson
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53:50Jessica Wilson is joined by medical historian Dr. Bethany Johnson of University of South Carolina* to talk everything measles: their history, what we should know, what won’t treat them, and what happens after someone has them. Bethany gets deep into the medical history of measles and mumps outbreaks and the two talk about RFK’s claim that everyone …
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Share Diabetes with Maria? Soda Taxes Pt 1 with Dr. Kelly Brownell
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42:00Jessica Wilson, MS RD is joined by Dr. Kelly Brownell, Director Emeritus of the World Food Policy Center at Duke University. The two talk about soda taxes, food systems, policy, and marketing. Jessica asks Dr. Brownell about the Duke World Food Policy Center’s Identifying and Countering White Supremacy Culture in Food Systems report. And to wrap up…
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Re-Grifting: Dr. Andrew Huberman’s Long Con with Tessa Rapaczynski
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51:38Jessica Wilson is joined by author Tessa Rapaczynski for the next episode in the re-grifting series. Tessa's article for Medium titled “The Long Con and dirty dong of Andrew Huberman, PhD” immediately caught my eye. Today’s episode is their conversation about the evolution of Huberman and his path from nerdy professor who didn’t leave his lab to po…
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Bonus: Eating Disorder Awareness Week x Black History Month: Me Little Me Returns
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40:54Eating disorder awareness week is this week and it falls during Black History Month. Tigress Osborn, Dr. Whitney Trotter, Angela Goens and Elizabeth Ayiku return to the pod to talk about these intersections and Elizabeth's film Me Little Me. Elizabeth first talked about the film on the pod 11/7/24. They chat about their thoughts on the film, how it…
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#Farmlife at Harmon and Son Beef! The Trump Administration’s Impact on Farmers and the Food Supply
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44:33Skittle-fed beef? Jessica joined recent guests Dr. Sarah Dougherty and Mackenzie Behrle at Harmon and Son Beef in Grants Pass, OR for a farm tour and chat with recent guest Trampus Harmon. Jessica went to the farmers market there and got to talk to folks about raw milk, RFK Jr and vaccines in a red county. She shares those conversations today. Then…
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An Intro to Farm Subsidies and Cheese Caves! With Mackenzie Behrle
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54:44This week registered dietitian Jessica Wilson chats with agricultural teacher, Mackenzie Berhle, about farm subsidies and cheese caves. Mackenzie talks about agricultural check off programs, and the dairy buyout (or buy back) program. They discuss got milk? and milk in school lunches. The two get into Big Cheese, and cheese caves and Jessica is ver…
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Dad Content then The Guy Who Helped Coin the Phrase That Led Us to Fascism
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1:00:56Jessica’s dad is back to read some podcast feedback and some brief thoughts on RFK Jr. You’ll hear Jen and Jessica were called mean girls Jessica can’t disprove the “science” of Mark Hyman Proof that mercury doesn’t cause autism How people don’t realize two things can be true at the same time How her dad feels about getting his vitamins via IV…
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Conspiracy Ken Gets Confirmed- RFK Jr. Will Never Be Ken-Enough
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44:36What’s left to say? After episodes about vaccines and just general science. Jessica has been thinking about what she could add to the RFK Jr. conversation and realized there’s something that hasn’t been quite clear. As dangerous as Kennedy’s anti-science stance is, he is also incredibly basic. Today Jessica is joined by Dr. Natalie Ingraham to revi…
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The Ultra-Processed Food Hysteria to Trad Wife Pipeline with Lindsay Lee Wallace
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39:52Jessica’s UPF experiment has been in the news again! She invited journalist Lindsay Lee Wallace back to the show to see if the two could answer some questions: How has the ultra-processed food hysteria impacted politics today? And what the heck is happening with the news media? The two talk about gender, the recent UPF coverage, who has been interv…
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Jessica Wilson, MS RD is joined by pod editor Jen Jacobs to kick off the Re-Grifting series. Dr. Mark Hyman is the first to be featured having introduced himself to Jessica over instagram. He is a co-founder of health-tech start-up Function Health and a huge fan of supplements. Mark was part of the group of food-fluencers who influenced the FDA to …
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Bird Flu, Biology, Raw Milk & Pet Safety with Dr. Sarah Dougherty, DVM
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37:33Dr. Sarah Dougherty, DVM joins Jessica Wilson, MS RD to talk about everything from bird flu and raw milk, to bovine colostrum, Ivermectin, how to interpret research, probiotics for pets, influencers, and how to keep our pets safe and healthy when it comes to bird flu and pet food. Jessica asks her what she's most concerned about with the incoming a…
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The Raw Milk Divide with Farmer Trampus Harmon
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49:11Beef farmer (and former dairy farmer) Trampus Harmon joins dietitian Jessica Wilson to talk about raw milk. We’ve seen the rise of raw milk influencer-culture and Jessica wanted to talk with someone who knows the ins and outs of dairy cow farming. The two chat about the safety of raw milk and how influencers are impacting the farming landscape. Tra…
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We Saw This Coming; Glancing Back and Gearing Up for 2025
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19:25We knew what was coming in 2025. Through the conversations on this podcast about food processing and collective health anxiety we got a front row seat to watch how people have moved to extreme views about food and our health. We’ve seen it mobilize groups of people to defy what should be common sense about food safety, and basic science. We’ve also…
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Neurodivergence and Girl Dinner with Dr. Lexi Brown-Re-release
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53:06Re-release: Jessica and Lexi share many of the ways their brains work differently and the tips and tools they’ve adopted to navigate a neurotypical world. Lexi shares her experiences with disordered eating and some things that she’s found to be helpful as she works on having less all-or-nothing eating habits. They share what it was like to be locke…
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Flavor Maxiamalists and Minimalists in America with Pops
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27:48A gluten-flugen-dog? Social media has introduced us to those who want the most flavor, texture, color and creativity in their food and, conversely, those who avoid even salt and might not even cook their food to kill pathogens. Tiktok has given us a window into kitchens around the country. From jello salad to quinoa salad and raw chicken to hot dog…
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What is MSG, and what’s with all of the sh*t talking? Jessica gets answers to these questions with the help of dietitian Cara Harbstreet and a few research rabbit holes. Jessica and Cara talk about how a (maybe fake?) letter to the New England Journal of Medicine kicked off decades of hysteria about “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome.” The true author of…
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Should We Stop Eating Seed Oils? With Dr. Selina Wang
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22:34Jessica sits down with Dr. Selina Wang to chat about seed oil hysteria. Dr. Wang teaches Jessica about the health benefits of different oils and what’s supposedly so scary about seed oils. The two try to define what makes a seed oil and Dr. Wang discusses what happens when people collapse complex science into a sound bite. You can buy awkward merch…
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The Joy of Reading Romance and the Bliss of a Happy Ending (Re-Release)
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38:03Jessica sat down with two romance novel reviewers from Smart Bitches, Trashy Books to hear more about the genre and how they got into professional reviewing. They talk about reading romance novels when they were way too young and why they love a happy ending. Jessica asks about the awkward ways that sex scenes can be written and shares what she fou…
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Going Wild on Health and Fertility with Alison Pill
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38:15RFK Jr could be in charge of this country’s health and it will be…wild. Jessica and Alison Pill sat down to talk about it and who might lead the FDA under a Make America Healthy Again regime. The two get into the concern about fertility among MAHA supporters and what this really means: more babies on the pale end of the spectrum please! Jessica rec…
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Election Reflections; Father Daughter Edition
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23:11The popular vote got us. Jessica and her dad reflect on the election and share a few things that may have contributed. Wilson takes issue with many things including non-white people voting for Trump, and what he thinks would happen if he went to a Klan meeting. He also shares why he’s not concerned with RFK Jr and what he thinks this podcast will b…
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Treatment in the Real World; Me Little Me Debuts! with Elizabeth Ayiku
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42:33Dietitian Jessica Wilson is joined by Elizabeth Ayiku to talk about the award winning film Me Little Me, which Elizabeth wrote and directed. The film is based on her experience with disordered eating and the barriers she faced while seeking treatment. The pair get into the mechanics of indie film production including what it’s like to write, direct…
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Curlfriends! Hair, Identity, Health and Fat Lib with Whitney Trotter and Tigress Osborn
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43:31Jessica’s Curlfriends, Whitney Totter and Tigress Osborn, return to the show to talk about their hair. They share their hair journeys and chat about how hair continues to inform their identities. Hair intersections with eating disorders, mixed-race identity, health and fat liberation are spiritedly discussed! Steven on Love is Blind Hannah Frankson…
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Making America Healthy Again; Part 1 with Jeff Hutt
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52:06For the first episode about Make America Healthy Again, Jessica is joined by Mr Jeff Hutt, the spokesperson for the Super PAC. MAHA is “a powerful new political action committee dedicated to advancing the health-focused policies championed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. through the re-election of President Donald Trump.” Mr. Hutt provides an overview of …
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Can Nutrition Policy Be Purchased? With Sherene Chou
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33:24Jessica is back with fellow dietitian Sherene Chou for an episode about food conglomerates and their connection to the primary dietitian interest organization, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. Jessica starts by recapping the past week's hysteria about the Siete food brand selling to Pepsico for $1.2B, and asks what that means. Jessica then d…
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