Best Jeff Cook And Tj Wilson Podcasts (2025)

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 5 | Sara in Utah 44:37

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Subscribe to Katie's feed : HERE Connect with all our workshops and "rewired" Podcast : HERE Sara from Utah joins Katie to open a window into life as an Enneagram Five. Sara unpacks the difference between physical retreat (car, corner, time-out) and an emotional shutdown that feels like a cloud rolling over the mind. She explains why Fives can be r…

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Stress and Security Panels | Sixes 1:06:05

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We are beginning a huge project and would love your help. We will doing eight more interviews of this kind in 2026, for each of the types. If you are interested in being interviewed, please let us know either in the comments or send us a direct message. We need folks who are positive of their type, have done at least 3 years worth of work, and are …

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Excess | The Low Side of Our Motive | Part I 1:25:59

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This is the audio from our November workshop. SIGN UP FOR OUR DECEMBER 13th WORKSHOP : HERE ____ What happens when our Enneagram type stops helping and starts hurting? In this live workshop, Katie and Jeff explore “Excess” – the low side of our core motive – and how each type ramps up its usual strategies until they begin to do damage to ourselves …

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 4 | Timothy in Cincinnati 53:59

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Katie sits down with Cincinnati musician and producer Timothy Edward Carpenter to explore the inner landscape of a Four: the pull toward the unattainable, the ache of “not enough,” and why connection only feels real in the deep end. Timothy speaks openly about chasing music dreams, choosing others’ projects over his own, rebuilding marriage, and le…

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"Inside Story" | Jackie Contessa | Enneagram 2 1:49:12

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In this episode of Inside Story, host Kristin Messegee (@enneagram_6_coach) sits down with Enneagram coach Jackie Contessa (@tablefor9co). Jackie talks about Twoness and pulling back the curtain on pride, need, the fear of lovelessness, the desire to be chosen, and the quiet grief Twos carry when they disconnect from themselves. Together, they expl…

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Steph Barron Hall | High and Low Side of Arrows 30:09

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For the full interview go : HERE Jeff and TJ sit down with Enneagram author Steph Barron Hall to rethink everything we’ve been told about arrows. Instead of simple “disintegration and growth” lines, Steph walks us into high side/low side movement in both directions, the role of Soul Child / recovery points, and how arrows actually support transform…

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 3 | Sara in Cincinnati 52:35

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This week, Katie talks to Sara, a local friend she met at one of her weekly Enneagram classes. We discuss medical school, DOING vs BEING, and what it feels like to subject yourself to constant comparison against other people (and maybe how to get out of it). There is some scratchy audio in the first five minutes of this podcast, but I promise that …

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Joey Schewee | Mistyping 1:04:27

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To become a member and see our best work: GO HERE If you want to order Joey's book: GO HERE And our first book is HERE ___ Jeff and TJ sit down with Enneagram teacher and Enneagram theorist Joey Schewee, author of the upcoming When Working Together Doesn’t Work: An Enneagram Guide to Productive Relationships with Coworkers. Together they dig into m…

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"Inside Story" | Jeff Cook Enneagram 1 : Part Two 51:23

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Subscribe to the Inside Story : HERE Become a Member of ATC : HERE In this episode, Kristin Messegee sits down with ATC host Jeff Cook to learn Type One from the inside out. They start with the inner critic—“like being tumbled by a six-foot wave”—and why Ones wish for an edit button in real life. Jeff shares how verbal processing helps his intuitio…

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 1 | Veronica in Chicago 48:54

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Katie sits down with Veronica, a 32-year-old Enneagram One and R&D scientist in Chicago, to trace how Ones learn to trust their gut, make room for gray, and respond to what’s needed. Veronica shares her path into the Enneagram, the “responsive stance” in a family with no assertive types, and why Ones often look “negative” when they’re actually reac…

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"Inside Story" | Jeff Cook Enneagram 1 : Part One 56:43

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Subscribe to the Inside Story : HERE Become a Member of ATC : HERE In this episode, Kristin Messegee sits down with ATC host Jeff Cook to learn Type One from the inside out. They start with the inner critic—“like being tumbled by a six-foot wave”—and why Ones wish for an edit button in real life. Jeff shares how verbal processing helps his intuitio…

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Instincts and Relationships | with Christa Hardin 1:08:28

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Link to our Workshop on Excess | HERE Become a Member of ATC | HERE In this episode, Jeff sits down with author and Enneagram Seven Christa Harden ("Enneagram in Marriage") to unpack how the three instincts—self-preserving, one-to-one, and social—shape relationships. They trace why self-care isn’t selfish but foundational, how biology meets typolog…

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 2 | Becca in Colorado 38:04

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Link to our Workshop on Excess | HERE Up next, 2s! Rebecca Dollard, founder of The Motherhood Mentor, is a somatic healing practitioner that helps high-achieving women and mothers who “have it all together” but feel disconnected inside. Through somatic healing, nervous-system-based coaching, and enneagram she guides them to expand their capacity, s…

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"Inside Story" | TJ Wilson | Enneagram 9 1:30:41

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LINKS TO THE NEW FEED: Inside Story on Spotify: HERE Inside Story on iTunes: HERE __ On this Episode, We’re kicking off Our New Podcast "Inside Story" by turning the mic toward ATC co-host T.J. Wilson (Type Nine). This is a spacious, honest conversation about Nine life from inside —how “gut knowing” actually shows up, why autonomy matters so much t…

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 9 | Andrew in Texas 35:30

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FOR THE REST OF THE EPISODE : GO HERE Or simply search for "Early Access" on you podcast platform of choice. ___ Up next: 9s! In this week’s episode, Katie talks to Rev. Andrew Bowles (he/him), a Certified Narrative Enneagram Teacher, professional member of the International Enneagram Association, ordained minister, and experienced healthcare chapl…

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The Enneagram Podcast Channel | And All the Other Big Stuff at ATC 17:22

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Many of you know we have a handful of things going on both personally and here at ATC; this is all the fun stuff and hard stuff. In this podcast we’ll be talking about everything from the end of one chapter to the opening of another. You can see all our new Podcast feeds at Our Enneagram Channel : HERE Quick Links: Saturday Online Workshops Free me…

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Kristin Messegee | "Inside Story" 51:24

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Jeff and TJ sit down with Kristin Messegee—an Enneagram Six coach and the host of Life Uninhibited—to announce her new narrative-style show, "Inside Story" joining the ATC family of podcasts. We talk why real growth needs empathy, why stories teach better than diagrams, and how narrative Enneagram work helps us become emotional adults. • Subscribe …

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Early Access | Enneagram 8 | Meaghan in Portland 48:26

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Early Access on iTunes: HERE Early Access on Spotify: HERE Enneagram and Gender Discussion : HERE Music is by GIANTS AND PILGRIMS Katie's Work : HERE Continuing her journey around the Enneagram, Katie talks to Meaghan, a freelance American Sign Language interpreter who loves traveling, new restaurants, and advocating for the deaf community. We talk…

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Mistyping Twos | Part Two with Jackie Contessa 1:04:19

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Jeff sits back down with Enneagram coach Jackie Contessa to walk through mistyping between twos and threes through nines. If this helps, check the full Mistyping Chart Jackie co-authored in the back of our book Around the Circle . Or find Jackie at @tablefornineco and jackieccesa.com.

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Generations | Boomer, Silent, Greatest with Tyler Zach 55:36

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Link to the upcoming EnneaSummit : HERE Link to all of our other work : HERE Jeff sits down with Tyler Zach to preview his upcoming Midlife Summit (Oct 21–24). They dig into why “midlife has a branding problem,” the U-curve of happiness, and how the second half can move us from productivity to fruitfulness. Tyler shares tear-worthy moments from the…

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Early Access with Katie Whitlock | Michael - Enneagram 7 46:25

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Early Access on iTunes: HERE Early Access on Spotify: HERE Music is by GIANTS AND PILGRIMS Our inaugural Episode! In this discussion on Early Access, host Katie Whitlock sits down with her close friend Michael —an Ironman-in-training, soon-to-be husband, and a reluctant but curious student of the Enneagram.…

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Mistyping Twos | with Jackie Contessa 44:50

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Gen Z 1:32:38

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Like the Enneagram, our Generation--its technologies and events--shape how we see the world. In this conversation with Katie Whitlock, we will be exploring the values and cultural markers of Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z, weaving together films, music, shared culture, and the defining experiences that mark each era. Connect with us at www.aroundthe…

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Mistyping | Ben From L.A. | 8 or 1 56:03

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Get connect to all our work at www.aroundthecircle.org In this episode, Jeff sits down with counselor Ben from Los Angeles for a live Enneagram mistyping session—could he be a principled One, a justice-driven Eight, or an analytical Five? From his early years in LA to a career in corrections and counseling, Ben shares stories of resilience, account…

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Millennials 1:19:36

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Like the Enneagram, our Generation--its technologies and events--shape how we see the world. In this conversation with Katie Whitlock, we will be exploring the values and cultural markers of Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z, weaving together films, music, shared culture, and the defining experiences that mark each era. Connect with us at www.aroundthe…

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Mistyping | Sandy from Chicago | 4, 5 or 9 1:22:35

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See all of our best material at: aroundthecircle.org ! In this Mistyping session, Sandy from Chicago—a leadership and development coach—traces how infertility,and a bruising conservatory experience pushed her from “just tell me what to do” health coaching into deeper inner work. We talk holding space for grief without “positivity bullying,” growing…

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Generation X 1:10:13

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Like the Enneagram, our Generation--its technologies and events--shape how we see the world. In this conversation with Katie Whitlock, we will be exploring the values and cultural markers of Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z, weaving together films, music, shared culture, and the defining experiences that mark each era. In this episode we tackle Gen X:…

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Mistyping | Elliot from the UK | 9, 1 or 6 48:08

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Jeff sits down with Elliot, a Kiwi in London. They trace Elliot’s deconstruction and church life, his work building inclusive spaces, and how the Enneagram has helped him sort clarity from certainty.

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Dr. Sam Greenberg | Sex and The Enneagram 1:05:33

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Sexuality isn’t just behavior—it’s an internal experience. We sit down with researcher-coach Dr. Sam Greenberg to map how Enneagram type and instincts shape desire, cues, assertiveness, and intimacy. Sam outlines the gifts and challenges of each instinct, why instincts often predict sexual patterns more than type, how repressed instincts show up in…

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Mistyping | Tami from MI | 3, 4, 5, or 6 1:15:52

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Tammy joins Jeff for a live mistyping session that moves from opera halls to IT dashboards—and into the deep stuff beneath type. A lifelong Michigander with three degrees, a choir section-leader, and a self-described “walking contradiction,” Tammy is blunt and kind, fiercely independent, and devoted to care (for people…and five cats). Together we e…

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Sarina Sherring | Enneagram Coach | 20 Questions 55:16

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Jeff had a stellar conversation with Enneagram Coach, Spiritual Director and Founder @reflecttheoriginal , Sarina Sherring. You can connect to her work here: www.reflecttheoriginal.au For the full interview go to: aroundthecircle.org

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Mistyping | Amanda from Michigan | 2, 9 or 4? 1:17:02

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This week we are joined by Amanda from Michigan. This was an excellent conversation! If you are interested in our mistyping guide : GO HERE The guide is only in the print version.

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TJ Teems | Professional Counselor | Enneagram Two 47:12

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This is a wonderful interview with the fantastic TJ Teems. Tj is a professional Enneagram Counselor in California. You can connect with her : HERE Sign up for a membership to all of our stuff : HERE

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Mistyping | Griffin in Texas | 1, 3, 4 or 7 1:04:30

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This one felt more difficult and we spent a lot of time looking not only at 1347, but you will hear a lot of questions for 2 and 6 as well. Jump in, tell us your thoughts on Spotify comments or on our website. __ The mistyping guide is **EXCLUSIVELY** in the print version of the book. And can be found here: https://a.co/d/g7jBNnj…

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"Heroes" | Type 7 | Robin Williams Concluded 28:14

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.org And check out Movie Typing : HEREBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Heroes | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Concluded 27:16

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.org And check out Movie Typing : HEREBy Jeff Cook and TJ Wilson

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Mistyping | Lauren in Texas | 6, 8 or 1 1:10:04

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If you are interested in doing a mistyping recording with Jeff, become a Member at www.aroudthecircle.org and send us a message on our website. We would love to talk with you!By Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Mistyping Monday | An Introduction 6:52

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Do check out our book as a resource, especially the last 100 pages which are dedicated to mistyping. FIND IT HEREBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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"Heroes" | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Part III ("Birdcage," "Good Will Hunting" and "What Dreams May Come") 1:01:46

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.org And check out Movie Typing : HEREBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Heroes | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Part III ("Birdcage," "Good Will Hunting" and "What Dreams May Come") 1:00:48

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and TJ Wilson

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Mistyping | Danielle Reassessed | Type 6 or 7? 41:45

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We continue our series of conversations with our friends looking to find their enneagram type. _____ Our Start Here Podcast and our Basics series is : HERE All our Best material is at aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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"Heroes" | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Part II 1:06:59

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Heroes | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Part II 1:06:01

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and TJ Wilson

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Mistyping | Danielle in Ottawa | 5 or 7? 1:00:20

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We continue our series of conversations with our friends looking to find their enneagram type. _____ Our Start Here Podcast and our Basics series is : HERE All our Best material is at aroundthecircle.org Our conversation with Joel Stabile is HERE Our Conversation with Jackie Brewster is HEREBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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"Heroes" | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Part I 1:56:37

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Heroes | Type 7 | Robin Williams | Part I 1:55:39

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We continue our deep dive into Heroes in film, this time choosing to elevate a singular actor. If you are interested in seeing info about the Weld County Food Bank : GO HERE You can connect with us and see all our best stuff at : aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and TJ Wilson

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Adam Young | "Make Sense of Your Story" 46:59

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This is our interview with Trauma Therapist, Adam Young. I apologize for the audio quality, but we thought the content here worth posting and discussing. You can find Adam's new book : HERE Grace and peace, JeffBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Mistyping | Brenden in Ohio | 6 or 8? 54:04

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Another wonderful conversation with Brenden from Ohio who is looking to verify his type. If you would like to purchase our book with the mistyping guide, it is HERE. To connect with us or to get your own mistyping interview, connect with us at: aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

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Mistyping | Is Rachel a 1, 2, or 7? 1:05:14

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This is the first in our series on mistyping. We speak with Rachel from Minnesota as she reconsiders what she has always been told about her Enneagram Type. If you would like to purchase our book with the mistyping guide, it is HERE. If you are interested in doing a typing session with us, you can connect with us on Instagram: HERE. For all our oth…

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Mistyping | An Intro with Lindsey Davis Marks 43:58

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Co-Host of the Fathoms Podcast, Lindsey joins us to talk about her movement from thinking she was a Two to a Seven. Full version at www.aroundthecircle.orgBy Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson