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Unusually in-depth conversations about the world's most pressing problems and what you can do to solve them. Subscribe by searching for '80000 Hours' wherever you get podcasts. Hosted by Rob Wiblin and Luisa Rodriguez.
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Andreas Mogensen on what we owe 'philosophical Vulcans' and unconscious beings
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2:37:15Most debates about the moral status of AI systems circle the same question: is there something that it feels like to be them? But what if that’s the wrong question to ask? Andreas Mogensen — a senior researcher in moral philosophy at the University of Oxford — argues that so-called 'phenomenal consciousness' might be neither necessary nor sufficien…
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How AI-Controlled Robots Will and Won't Change War | U.S. Defense Strategist Paul Scharre
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2:45:17In 1983, Stanislav Petrov, a Soviet lieutenant colonel, sat in a bunker watching a red screen flash “MISSILE LAUNCH.” Protocol demanded he report it to superiors, which would very likely trigger a retaliatory nuclear strike. Petrov didn’t. He reasoned that if the US were actually attacking, they wouldn’t fire just 5 missiles — they’d empty the silo…
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Christmas come early ? Last Full Council of 2025
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1:01:12In our last show of 2025, we take a look at the last Full Council meeting for 2025 of Portsmouth City Council. Was the chamber filled with festive cheer and agreement or were 42 Grinches trying to ruin Christmas? What hint do proceedings give of the 2026 local elections campaigns? Before the council are:- 11. A briefing on devolution Notices of mot…
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AI might let a few people control everything — permanently (article by Rose Hadshar)
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1:00:10Power is already concentrated today: over 800 million people live on less than $3 a day, the three richest men in the world are worth over $1 trillion, and almost six billion people live in countries without free and fair elections. This is a problem in its own right. There is still substantial distribution of power though: global income inequality…
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#230 – Dean Ball on how AI is a huge deal — but we shouldn’t regulate it yet
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2:54:15Former White House staffer Dean Ball thinks it's very likely some form of 'superintelligence' arrives in under 20 years. He thinks AI being used for bioweapon research is "a real threat model, obviously." He worries about dangerous "power imbalances" should AI companies reach "$50 trillion market caps." And he believes the agriculture revolution pr…
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Devolution debacle - devolution delayed
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1:00:48After this week’s shock two year delay to the Mayoral elections for Hampshire & The Solent we invite candidates Cllr Martin Tod 🟧 & Anna Collar 🟩to help make sense of the mess. -What does this mean for devolution? -Are voters right to be confused and frustrated? -Will Hampshire (& the Isle of Wight) miss out? -Why the headlong rush, just to put the…
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#229 – Marius Hobbhahn on the race to solve AI scheming before models go superhuman
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3:03:18We often worry about AI models “hallucinating” or making honest mistakes. But what happens when a model knows the truth, but decides to deceive you anyway to achieve a goal of its own? This isn’t sci-fi — it’s happening regularly in deployment today. Marius Hobbhahn, CEO of the world’s top research organisation focused on AI deception (Apollo Resea…
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We take a look at Wednesday’s budget. Rachel Reeves’ 2nd as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Will there be a 3rd? | Who are the winners? | Who the losers? Was it bold or timid? | Does the leaking or ‘testing’ of policy ahead of the budget create more uncertainty? | Will the measures announced help with cost of living, reduce burden for small businesses…
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They think it's all over (SPOILER! It's not!)
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38:38On behalf of Let's Stop Aquind, we hosted a public meeting with key speakers from across politics and two sides of the channel. What is the Aquind interconnector? It’s the controversially funded and designed plan to connect the UK and French electricity grids with a cable across countryside, farmland, parkland and through residential areas from Nor…
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Rob & Luisa chat kids, the 2016 fertility crash, and how the 50s invented parenting that makes us miserable
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1:59:09Global fertility rates aren’t just falling: the rate of decline is accelerating. From 2006 to 2016, fertility dropped gradually, but since 2016 the rate of decline has increased 4.5-fold. In many wealthy countries, fertility is now below 1.5. While we don’t notice it yet, in time that will mean the population halves every 60 years. Rob Wiblin is al…
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#228 – Eileen Yam on how we're completely out of touch with what the public thinks about AI
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1:43:24If you work in AI, you probably think it’s going to boost productivity, create wealth, advance science, and improve your life. If you’re a member of the American public, you probably strongly disagree. In three major reports released over the last year, the Pew Research Center surveyed over 5,000 US adults and 1,000 AI experts. They found that the …
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Council Consensus or clash of the Councillors? - PCC Full Council 11/11/25
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55:45This week we take a look at Tuesday's Full Council - was it a council or consensus or clash of the councillors? Notices of Motion 11a Planning & Infrastructure bill (Opposing government plans to increase the planning applications decided by officers, and limit those decided by Councillors) - Cllrs Gardner (CON) Cllr Simpson (REF) 11b Fair votes (Su…
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OpenAI: The nonprofit refuses to be killed (with Tyler Whitmer)
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1:56:06Last December, the OpenAI business put forward a plan to completely sideline its nonprofit board. But two state attorneys general have now blocked that effort and kept that board very much alive and kicking. The for-profit’s trouble was that the entire operation was founded on the premise of — and legally pledged to — the purpose of ensuring that “…
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#227 – Helen Toner on the geopolitics of AGI in China and the Middle East
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2:20:02With the US racing to develop AGI and superintelligence ahead of China, you might expect the two countries to be negotiating how they’ll deploy AI, including in the military, without coming to blows. But according to Helen Toner, director of the Center for Security and Emerging Technology in DC, “the US and Chinese governments are barely talking at…
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Can the controversial Aquind electricity interconnector project between Normandy, France and Portsmouth, England - cutting a swathe through countryside, farmland and disrupting residents digging up residential and vital arterial roads finally get stopped for good? Five years on, we invite Let’s Stop Aquind and their French counterpart, Non à Aquind…
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#226 – Holden Karnofsky on unexploited opportunities to make AI safer — and all his AGI takes
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4:30:19For years, working on AI safety usually meant theorising about the ‘alignment problem’ or trying to convince other people to give a damn. If you could find any way to help, the work was frustrating and low feedback. According to Anthropic’s Holden Karnofsky, this situation has now reversed completely. There are now large amounts of useful, concrete…
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#225 – Daniel Kokotajlo on what a hyperspeed robot economy might look like
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2:12:01When Daniel Kokotajlo talks to security experts at major AI labs, they tell him something chilling: “Of course we’re probably penetrated by the CCP already, and if they really wanted something, they could take it.” This isn’t paranoid speculation. It’s the working assumption of people whose job is to protect frontier AI models worth billions of dol…
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3 1/2 million British citizens living overseas are entitled to vote in UK elections, but only 200,000 are registered to do so. What elections are they entitled to vote in? How does it work? How long does this entitlement to vote in UK elections last? Why aren’t more Brits living overseas retaining their right to vote? We hear from Mike Tuffrey & Jo…
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Paulsgrove (a council ward in Portsmouth UK) goes the polls in a by election October 23rd 2025 after the resignation in mid September of the Portsmouth Independent Party Councillor Brian Madgwick for health reasons. We invited all five candidates to take part in our online hustings. The candidates in this election are:- Georgina Ayling - Green Part…
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Party Conferences 2025 - fanfare or flop?
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1:03:12It’s been a packed political conference season across the UK — from the bold promises of Reform in Birmingham, Labour’s big pledges in Liverpool to the Lib Dems’ revival talk in Bournemouth, followed by the Greens’ record-breaking Bournemouth weekend before the Conservatives’ closed the season with their reset in Manchester, What really stood out? …
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National digital ID cards? Paulsgrove by-election candidates announced Portsmouth City Council full council meeting 23rd September We take a look at political news local and national, discuss and through some ideas back and forth. Are these changes really needed? Are they well thought out? Subscribe on Youtube, Follow on Facebook or signup for our …
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#224 – There's a cheap and low-tech way to save humanity from any engineered disease | Andrew Snyder-Beattie
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2:31:11Conventional wisdom is that safeguarding humanity from the worst biological risks — microbes optimised to kill as many as possible — is difficult bordering on impossible, making bioweapons humanity’s single greatest vulnerability. Andrew Snyder-Beattie thinks conventional wisdom could be wrong. Andrew’s job at Open Philanthropy is to spend hundreds…
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Inside the Biden admin’s AI policy approach | Jake Sullivan, Biden’s NSA | via The Cognitive Revolution
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1:05:58Jake Sullivan was the US National Security Advisor from 2021-2025. He joined our friends on The Cognitive Revolution podcast in August to discuss AI as a critical national security issue. We thought it was such a good interview and we wanted more people to see it, so we’re cross-posting it here on The 80,000 Hours Podcast. Jake and host Nathan Labe…
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In their first show since their summer break, Ian & Simon take a look at the political events, local, national and international and discuss the events themselves, their meaning or potential significance. In a wide-ranging fast paced opinion piece they share their views and observations of events good, bar or terrifying. Subscribe on Youtube, Follo…
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#223 – Neel Nanda on leading a Google DeepMind team at 26 – and advice if you want to work at an AI company (part 2)
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1:46:49At 26, Neel Nanda leads an AI safety team at Google DeepMind, has published dozens of influential papers, and mentored 50 junior researchers — seven of whom now work at major AI companies. His secret? “It’s mostly luck,” he says, but “another part is what I think of as maximising my luck surface area.” Video, full transcript, and links to learn mor…
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#222 – Can we tell if an AI is loyal by reading its mind? DeepMind's Neel Nanda (part 1)
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3:01:11We don’t know how AIs think or why they do what they do. Or at least, we don’t know much. That fact is only becoming more troubling as AIs grow more capable and appear on track to wield enormous cultural influence, directly advise on major government decisions, and even operate military equipment autonomously. We simply can’t tell what models, if a…
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#221 – Kyle Fish on the most bizarre findings from 5 AI welfare experiments
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2:28:53What happens when you lock two AI systems in a room together and tell them they can discuss anything they want? According to experiments run by Kyle Fish — Anthropic’s first AI welfare researcher — something consistently strange: the models immediately begin discussing their own consciousness before spiraling into increasingly euphoric philosophica…
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How not to lose your job to AI (article by Benjamin Todd)
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51:25About half of people are worried they’ll lose their job to AI. They’re right to be concerned: AI can now complete real-world coding tasks on GitHub, generate photorealistic video, drive a taxi more safely than humans, and do accurate medical diagnosis. And over the next five years, it’s set to continue to improve rapidly. Eventually, mass automatio…
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We review Portsmouth City Council’s meeting of the Full Council July 15th 2025 - what were the big items on the agenda? Which were controversial ? Where was there harmony? Where was there heated debate? In this meeting the council discussed:- 🗳️ an update on the government's Local Government Reorganisation and what that means for Portsmouth. 🏢 The …
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Rebuilding after apocalypse: What 13 experts say about bouncing back
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4:26:38What happens when civilisation faces its greatest tests? This compilation brings together insights from researchers, defence experts, philosophers, and policymakers on humanity’s ability to survive and recover from catastrophic events. From nuclear winter and electromagnetic pulses to pandemics and climate disasters, we explore both the threats tha…
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Founder of ‘The Executive Menopause Coach’ - Claire Hattrick joins us to share her menopause journey. After years of being severely debilitated by undiagnosed menopause joint pain Claire turned her experience into an inspiring drive to help women 1-2-1 and advise businesses how to support and retain their staff as they experience menopause. Menopau…
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#220 – Ryan Greenblatt on the 4 most likely ways for AI to take over, and the case for and against AGI in <8 years
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2:50:32Ryan Greenblatt — lead author on the explosive paper “Alignment faking in large language models” and chief scientist at Redwood Research — thinks there’s a 25% chance that within four years, AI will be able to do everything needed to run an AI company, from writing code to designing experiments to making strategic and business decisions. As Ryan la…
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With air pollution in our congested city contributing to respiratory illness and shortening the life expectancies of residents - we ask local air quality campaigners what improvements have been made, and what more could be done? We're joined by Viola Langley, Rod Bailey & Tim Sheerman Chase from 'Let Pompey Breathe'. We also have an interview from …
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We ask former Lord Mayor of Portsmouth, Cllr Jason Fazackarley about his & Lady Mayoress, Helen Mitchell's highs & lows for their year representing the city of Portsmouth & its residents. Just how do you make a Mayor - there’s a Mayor Making ceremony, but how do you become one? What were the highs and lows for Jason and his Lady Mayoress, Helen Mit…
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#219 – Toby Ord on graphs AI companies would prefer you didn't (fully) understand
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2:48:22The era of making AI smarter just by making it bigger is ending. But that doesn’t mean progress is slowing down — far from it. AI models continue to get much more powerful, just using very different methods, and those underlying technical changes force a big rethink of what coming years will look like. Toby Ord — Oxford philosopher and bestselling …
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What are we talking about this week? We asked our audience to tell of which of the pressing recent political events would they want to see us talk about. A poll is a poll - so we talk over three issues: - Israel (and now America's) bombing of Iran, The government u-turn on a national inquiry into grooming gangs, & The Welfare Reform bill. Landscape…
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#218 – Hugh White on why Trump is abandoning US hegemony – and that’s probably good
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2:48:42For decades, US allies have slept soundly under the protection of America’s overwhelming military might. Donald Trump — with his threats to ditch NATO, seize Greenland, and abandon Taiwan — seems hell-bent on shattering that comfort. But according to Hugh White — one of the world's leading strategic thinkers, emeritus professor at the Australian Na…
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#217 – Beth Barnes on the most important graph in AI right now — and the 7-month rule that governs its progress
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3:47:09AI models today have a 50% chance of successfully completing a task that would take an expert human one hour. Seven months ago, that number was roughly 30 minutes — and seven months before that, 15 minutes. (See graph.) These are substantial, multi-step tasks requiring sustained focus: building web applications, conducting machine learning research…
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Portsmouth this year hosts UK Pride, and with Pride itself rapidly approaching, we hear from Tally Aslam, Co-Chair of the Portsmouth Pride Trust. All this & more.. What’s on the itinerary for June 7th? How are Pride navigating the politics? Protest, great day out or both? Biggest challenges faced by the community? How to be a good ally? YouTube Por…
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With several countries around the world enacting bans on smartphones in schools, and on social media access for children, we ask - Is their pervasive use having an detrimental impact on learning, concentration, mental health? Should the UK also instigate a ban? What’s happening in today’s classrooms, and what might the solutions be? We’re joined by…
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Beyond human minds: The bewildering frontier of consciousness in insects, AI, and more
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3:34:40What if there’s something it’s like to be a shrimp — or a chatbot? For centuries, humans have debated the nature of consciousness, often placing ourselves at the very top. But what about the minds of others — both the animals we share this planet with and the artificial intelligences we’re creating? We’ve pulled together clips from past conversatio…
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This week saw Portsmouth City Council’s Mayor Making ceremony and Annual General Meeting. We interviewed CLLRS Graham Heaney (Deputy Leader Labour group on PCC) & George Madgwick (Leader of Portsmouth Independents Party on PCC) to hear what happens when two parties can both lay claim to the number two spot on the council. How do you decide when the…
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Don’t believe OpenAI’s “nonprofit” spin (emergency pod with Tyler Whitmer)
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1:12:04OpenAI’s recent announcement that its nonprofit would “retain control” of its for-profit business sounds reassuring. But this seemingly major concession, celebrated by so many, is in itself largely meaningless. Litigator Tyler Whitmer is a coauthor of a newly published letter that describes this attempted sleight of hand and directs regulators on h…
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The case for and against AGI by 2030 (article by Benjamin Todd)
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1:00:06More and more people have been saying that we might have AGI (artificial general intelligence) before 2030. Is that really plausible? This article by Benjamin Todd looks into the cases for and against, and summarises the key things you need to know to understand the debate. You can see all the images and many footnotes in the original article on th…
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WASPI women - the shortchanged generation?
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56:52Solent WASPI talk to us about their campaign for fair treatment and justice. -What do they want the campaign to achieve? -What next after the government’s rejection that compensation is owed to women born in the 1950s? WASPI web address: www.waspi.co.uk WASPI Crowdjustice page, which includes the most recent legal updates: https://www.crowdjustice.…
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Emergency pod: Did OpenAI give up, or is this just a new trap? (with Rose Chan Loui)
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1:02:50When attorneys general intervene in corporate affairs, it usually means something has gone seriously wrong. In OpenAI’s case, it appears to have forced a dramatic reversal of the company’s plans to sideline its nonprofit foundation, announced in a blog post that made headlines worldwide. The company’s sudden announcement that its nonprofit will “re…
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#216 – Ian Dunt on why governments in Britain and elsewhere can't get anything done – and how to fix it
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3:14:52When you have a system where ministers almost never understand their portfolios, civil servants change jobs every few months, and MPs don't grasp parliamentary procedure even after decades in office — is the problem the people, or the structure they work in? Today's guest, political journalist Ian Dunt, studies the systemic reasons governments succ…
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Serendipity, weird bets, & cold emails that actually work: Career advice from 16 former guests
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2:18:41How do you navigate a career path when the future of work is uncertain? How important is mentorship versus immediate impact? Is it better to focus on your strengths or on the world’s most pressing problems? Should you specialise deeply or develop a unique combination of skills? From embracing failure to finding unlikely allies, we bring you 16 dive…
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#215 – Tom Davidson on how AI-enabled coups could allow a tiny group to seize power
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3:22:44Throughout history, technological revolutions have fundamentally shifted the balance of power in society. The Industrial Revolution created conditions where democracies could flourish for the first time — as nations needed educated, informed, and empowered citizens to deploy advanced technologies and remain competitive. Unfortunately there’s every …
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We welcome the Isle of Wight’s Councillor Andrew Garratt 🟧 & Meon Valley’s Councillor Malcolm Wallace 🟩 to talk to us about their hopes and fears for devolution and local government reorganisation (LGR). What could this mean for the voters they represent and the services they depend on? For links to our social media accounts and to sign up for our …
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