Best HC Group Podcasts (2025)

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Sounds Of Sunday // Bill Belichick’s Disaster at UNC Continues // Today’s Takeaways - 10/6 (Hour 4) 36:41

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour with more of your calls. (8:25) The crew dives into the Sounds of Sunday. (21:20) We discuss the dumpster fire that has been Bill Belichick and the 2025 North Carolina Tar Heels football team. (32:40) Zo and Beetle close out the show with the takeaways from today. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/priva…

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Patriots Win Total Outlook // Read & React // Bills Vs Pats For AFC East - 10/6 (Hour 3) 39:55

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour revisiting their predictions for the Patriots record this season. (10:11) The crew gets into Read and React. (23:38) We dive into how Buffalo will fare going through the remainder of their schedule, and who we believe will win the division this season. (30:58) Zo and Beetle close out the hour questioning if t…

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David Andrews Joins The Show // Drake Maye’s Mobility // Was Sunday Sustainable? - 10/6 (Hour 2) 42:31

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand are joined by former Patriot David Andrews to discuss how the rushing attack led the way in Buffalo. (10:24) David Andrews gives his thoughts on how big last night’s win was for building a culture and gaining buy-in for the Patriots. (24:00) The crew gives their thoughts on Drake Maye and the Patriots moving forward as they…

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Pats Massive Upset Victory // Establishing A Culture In New England // Did Talent Win The Patriots The Game - 10/6 (Hour 1) 35:39

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the show reacting to the Patriots biggest win in years last night on prime time in Buffalo. (8:38) We discuss the amount of buy-in Mike Vrabel has within this Patriots team following the win at Buffalo. (22:38) The crew debates whether the Patriots roster and talent allowed them to win last night’s game despite a numb…

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RJ Bell Joins The Show // Zo’s Bathroom Tactics On The Road // Today’s Takeaways - 10/3 (Hour 4) 39:38

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(00:00) RJ Bell of Pregame.com joins Zolak & Bertran to discuss the best bets for Week 5 of the NFL season. (14:00) Zo explains how he uses the bathroom while driving. (28:22) We finish up with calls on everything from the day. (34:30) Today's Takeaway. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.c…

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DID THAT REALLY HAPPEN? | INSANE 49ers Win Reactions vs Rams 21:22

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Phil Perry Joins The Show // Drake Maye vs Josh Allen Comps // Stefon Diggs Usage - 10/3 (Hour 3) 35:13

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand are joined by Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston to discuss whether the Patriots have a chance against the Bills. (7:37) We get Perry’s thoughts on the Josh Allen and Drake Maye comps continuing to go wild. (18:30) The crew gives their thoughts on Stefon Diggs usage. (27:32) We finish the day with calls on everything from the …

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Cam Schlittler Dominates // How To Attack The Bills // Read & React - 10/3 (Hour 2) 46:13

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour with more thoughts on the Red Sox season and Cam Schlittler dominating. (13:12) The crew debates how to properly attack the Bills if the Patriots hope to beat them this weekend. (20:10) We dive into the top Week 5 storylines with Read & React. (38:02) The guys finish the hour with more calls on the Red Sox an…

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Yankees Eliminate Red Sox // Jarren Duran’s Future // The Football Card - 10/3 (Hour 1) 41:17

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the show by reacting to the Red Sox being eliminated by the Yankees. (12:15) The crew touches on Jarren Duran’s future with the team and his poor performance in the playoffs. (26:11) We go back and forth on the outlook of the Red Sox moving forward. (33:26) Zo and Beetle close out the hour with The Football Card. See …

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Revolution Interim HC Pablo Moreira Interview // Connelly Early On Game 3 // Today’s Takeaways - 10/2 (Hour 4) 39:16

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour talking to Revolution Interim Head Coach Pablo Moreira to discuss the current state of the Revs. (11:40) Red Sox rookie starter Connelly Early gives his thoughts on starting in the due or die game 3, the crew reacts. (22:46) Is this the game that sees more scoring? Beetle thinks so. We discuss our thoughts on…

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Albert Breer Joins The Show // Drake Maye Vs The Field // Stefon Diggs' Impact - 10/2 (Hour 3) 41:02

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand are joined by Albert Breer of SI and MMQB to discuss the buy-in among the Patriots with Mike Vrabel. (10:02) Albert Breer tells us where he ranks Drake Maye’s current play among the 2024 QB draft class. (24:18) The crew gives their thoughts on the Stefon Diggs situation. (31:25) Zo and Beetle close the hour asking Albert Br…

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Biggest Pats Game In Recent Memory? // Moving The Goalposts // Can Connelly Early Be The Savior? - 10/2 (Hour 2) 39:23

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour discussing the potential fate of the Patriots in Buffalo this weekend and Drake Maye’s ability to hang with Josh Allen. (7:55) The crew debates whether the NFL should change the rules to steer away from potential future ties. (18:06) We question whether Drake Maye has exceeded expectations or if he still has …

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Mistakes Cost Red Sox In Game 2 // Did Last Night’s Loss End The Series? // Most To Blame - 10/2 (Hour 1) 44:48

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the show discussing the number of mistakes throughout game 2 for the Red Sox. (10:18) The crew questions whether the series is now over after the Red Sox seemingly emptied the tank in game 2. (25:30) We debate who should carry the most blame following the disappointing loss to the Yankees. (35:58) Zo and Beetle close …

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Celtics Center Neemias Queta Joins Zolak & Bertrand - 10-1-25 10:48

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Celtics Center Neemias Queta Joins Zolak & Bertrand LIVE from TD Garden to discuss upcoming season. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Morgan Moses Interview // Neemias Queta Joins The Show // AJ Brown A Possibility? - 10/1 (Hour 4) 34:03

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour talking to Patriots Right Tackle Morgan Moses on what it is like to go into an environment like Buffalo. (6:32) Celtics Center Neemias Queta joins Zo and Beetle live from the Auerbach Center to discuss the Celtics progression as a team, as well as Jayson Tatum. (17:29) Nick Wright continues to bring up a pote…

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Celtics Asst Coach Sam Cassell Joins Zolak & Bertrand - 10-1-25 11:23

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Celtics Asst Coach Sam Cassell Joins Zolak & Bertrand to discuss the upcoming season. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Little Things Within The Red Sox Win // Should Patriots Be 4-0? // Mike Vrabel Press Conference - 10/1 (Hour 3) 44:52

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour with highlighting baserunning and other “little things” within the Red Sox critical game 1 victory. (10:40) The crew questions whether the Patriots should be better than 2-2 and if Patriots fans should be happy with the team thus far or disappointed. (20:01) Zo believes Drake Maye has the opportunity to turn …

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Sam Cassell Joins The Show // Kendrick Perkins High Expectations For Celtics // Managerial Differences - 10/1 (Hour 2) 41:11

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour talking to Celtics Assistant Coach Sam Cassell to discuss the heart of this Celtics team and what he is most impressed with in Jayson Tatum’s recovery. (13:31) Kendrick Perkins sets Celtics expectations without Jayson Tatum relatively high with them being a top 6 seed in the Eastern Conference, the crew react…

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Celtics HC Joe Mazzulla Joins Zolak & Bertrand 17:43

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Celtics Head Coach Joe Mazzulla joins us live to discuss both the state of the Celtics and The Sopranos. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Sox Offseason Additions Shine In The Bronx // Max Fried Pulled Too Soon? // Joe Mazzulla Joins The Show - 10/1 (Hour 1) 42:50

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand recap the Red Sox massive game 1 victory over the Yankees, as well as highlighting Alex Cora’s decisions throughout the game. (12:31) Michael Kay and other Yankee media members are not happy about Yankees starter Max Fried being pulled in the 7th inning, the crew reacts. (23:42) Celtics Head Coach Joe Mazzulla joins us live…

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Guest NICK WAGONER Previews 49ers-Rams and Talks The Niners Path Forward 24:44

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From Systematic Trading to Structural Edge with Hans Balgobin 1:14:34

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What actually is systematic trading and the capabilities behind it? How can it generate returns? How can it inform the broader trading desks and organization's decision making? How is it delivering a competitive advantage and strategic edge to companies behind those returns? What have been the developments over the last couple of years? And how is …

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Alex Cora’s Comments On Sox Playoffs // Beetle Sounds Off On Aaron Boone // Today’s Takeaways - 9/30 (Hour 4) 38:38

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour going over Alex Cora’s comments about nobody believing in the Red Sox. (12:40) The crew dives into the comments of Yankees manager Aaron Boone on the Red Sox and Alex Cora, plus we touch on Jomboy’s feelings about the Yankees going into the Wild Card Series. (23:42) We answer your calls and reactions on all t…

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Mike Reiss Joins The Show // Stefon Diggs Breakout Game // Marcus Jones’ Return Game - 9/30 (Hour 3) 39:17

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(00:00) Mike Reiss of ESPN joins Zolak & Bertrand live to discuss Sunday’s win over the Panthers and his three things. (11:41) The crew discusses with Mike Reiss what they saw from Pats WR Stefon Diggs and if they have found something with him in the slot. (24:16) We dive into Christian Gonzalez returning to the field and how it changes the Patriot…

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Sox Yankees Wild Card Preview // How Does Crochet Perform Tonight? // Revisiting Patriots Win Total - 9/30 (Hour 2) 40:43

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour discussing how the Red Sox will fare without Lucas Giolito for at least the wild card round, also questioning if Game 1 is a must win? (12:21) Red Sox Ace Garrett Crochet takes the mound tonight vs the Yankees, the crew debates how he will fare against the Bronx Bombers. (23:12) We question whether the Patrio…

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Drake Maye’s Year 2 Leap // Level Of Trust In Pats // How High Is This Team’s Ceiling? - 9/30 (Hour 1) 43:32

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the show discussing the growth and development of Drake Maye in his second season as Patriots QB. (12:15) The crew debates what the Patriots must do against the Bills in order to remain confident in them moving forward the rest of the season. (24:04) We react to Colin Cowherd giving credit to Drake Maye and Patriots f…

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Sounds Of Sunday // SB LX Halftime Show News // Today’s Takeaways - 9/29 (Hour 4) 36:41

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour with the Sounds of Sunday. (7:57) The crew reacts to Patriots play-by-play commentator Bob Socci getting the full Zo experience during the Patriots blowout win over the Panthers. (26:16) We discuss the news of the upcoming Superbowl Halftime Show being performed by Bad Bunny, along with your calls and reactio…

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Sunday Night Football Tie // Read And React // Jayson Tatum Resumes Basketball Activities - 9/29 (Hour 3) 42:04

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour discussing the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys 40-40 tie last night on Sunday Night Football, plus a proposal for a new overtime format. (8:07) The crew gets into Read and React. (23:50) We dive into the breaking news on Jayson Tatum resuming basketball activities, including his new workout video. (35:36…

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David Andrews Joins The Show // RB Usage // Revisiting Drake Maye’s Expectations and Workload - 9/29 (Hour 2) 37:46

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour talking to David Andrews and his thoughts about the Patriots first meaningful home win in a long time. (7:35) David Andrews discusses the snap counts of Patriots running backs Rhamondre Stevenson and TreVeyon Henderson throughout the game on Sunday. (20:11) The crew looks ahead to the challenge that the Buffa…

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Pats Dominant Win Over Panthers // Drake Maye’s Steady Growth // Special Teams Came To Play - 9/29 (Hour 1) 41:36

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the show recapping the Patriots first home win of the season and the positives they saw especially with Drake Maye and Stefon Diggs. (12:05) The crew discusses the improvement they have seen in Drake Maye’s game as the first four weeks have progressed. (25:15) We highlight the Patriots special teams, specifically Marc…

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REACTION: Purdy Struggles In 49ers FRUSTRATING Loss 33:36

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49ers lose to the Jacksonville Jaguars in Brock Purdy's return. Special teams blunders, WR drops and turnovers. https://www.heyguy.co - to BUY HATS or send me an email Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/HABERMAN and use code HABERMAN and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Check out Hims: https://hims.com/GUY Follow Guy on …

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RJ Bell Joins Zolak & Bertrand // Terrell Williams Diagnosed With Prostate Cancer // Today’s Takeaway - 9/26 (Hour 4) 39:52

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand are joined by RJ Bell of Pregame.com to discuss the best bets for Week 4 of the NFL season. (11:00) Patriots HC Mike Vrabel announces that DC Terrell Williams has been diagnosed with prostate cancer. (23:00)The crew finishes up the day by hitting on a bunch of different Patriots thoughts. (34:23) We close out the show with …

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Phil Perry Joins The Show // Rhamondre Stevenson’s Snap Total // Robert Kraft Sells Part Of Patriots - 9/26 (Hour 3) 40:39

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand are joined by Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston to discuss the outlook of Panthers-Patriots on Sunday. (11:33) Perry explains how many touches he thinks Rhamondre Stevenson will get on Sunday. (24:55) The crew questions which receiver has the chance to create some space down the field. (34:06) We finish the hour by getting Pe…

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Must-Win Game For The Patriots? // Best Of The Worst? // Read & React - 9/26 (Hour 2) 41:40

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour by discussing whether this is a must-win game against the Panthers. (16:20) The crew continues to go back and forth on what’s at stake for the Patriots in Week 4. (23:48) We dive into the storyline for Week 4 of the NFL season with Read & React. (35:00) Zo and Beetle close out the hour by touching on how pro …

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Red Sox Didn’t Clinch // Bill Chisholm Discusses Ownership Structure // The Football Card - 9/26 (Hour 1) 39:33

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the show with their thoughts on the Red Sox not being able to clinch against the Blue Jays last night. (10:30) We react to new Celtics owner Bill Chisholm discussing the new structure at the top of the organization. (22:55) We dive into Wyc Grousbeck saying he wants to win 2 more rings and Brad Stevens’ outlook for th…

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Revolution Interim HC Pablo Moreira Joins The Show // Rob Ninkovich Part 2 // Bill Parcells And Zo - 9/25 (Hour 4) 33:17

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour talking to Revolution Interim Coach Pablo Moreira. (7:50) Former Patriot Rob Ninkovich gives his thoughts on the Patriots, as well as Bill Belichick and North Carolina’s rough start. (17:50) Bill Parcells backs up the story about how Zolak told him to let Drew Bledsoe call his own plays in the second half of …

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Albert Breer Joins The Show // More On Patriots Partial Sale // Drake Maye’s Development - 9/25 (Hour 3) 48:03

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(00:00) Albert Breer of SI and MMQB joins Zolak & Bertrand live to discuss the status of Christian Gonzalez on Sunday vs the Panthers. (14:35) Albert Breer gives his thoughts on Patriots Owner Robert Kraft selling a minority stake of the team. (26:21) The crew dives into their thoughts so far on Drake Maye and his development as a quarterback from …

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Patriots Offense Better Than It Appears? // Drake Maye Optimism // Mike Vrabel’s Influence - 9/25 (Hour 2) 38:41

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand dive into the Patriots offense and whether it is better overall than what they have led on. (13:07) The crew highlights Drake Maye’s physical characteristics and debates his ceiling and how he can be most successful within the Patriots offense. (23:12) We discuss the improvement of Drake Maye along with Greg Bedard’s compar…

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Christian Gonzalez Status For Sunday // Patriots Ownership News // Red Sox Win Again Vs Toronto - 9/25 (Hour 1) 41:38

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the show with their thoughts on Christian Gonzalez speaking to the media following Mike Vrabel’s press conference where he addressed his recovery. (11:11) The crew reacts to the Kraft family selling *% of their ownership stake, including 3% to the private equity firm, Sixth Street. (21:02) We dive into the Red Sox vic…

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NFL Expert: Daniel Jeremiah EVALUATES the 49ers Young Talent + Replacing Nick Bosa + More 21:37

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NFL Expert, Daniel Jeremiah, provides his analysis on the young 49er players and shares how he'd handle the Nick Bosa injury moving forward. https://www.heyguy.co - to BUY HATS or send me an email Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/HABERMAN and use code HABERMAN and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Check out Hims: https:…

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Jayson Tatum’s Media Tour // Antonio Gibson Joins The Show // Today’s Takeaways - 9/24 (Hour 4) 27:34

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(00:00) Jayson Tatum has not ruled out an in-season return to play for the Celtics, Tatum also mentions he was worried the Celtics may trade him after his injury. The crew reacts. (13:00) Patriots running back Antonio Gibson joins Zolak & Bertrand live. (24:00) We end the show with the takeaways from today. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/p…

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Underwhelmed By Mike Vrabel? // Pats Offense Should be Better // Playing Meaningful Games As A Young Player - 9/24 (Hour 3) 51:05

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour diving into their expectations and thoughts thus far from Patriots Head Coach Mike Vrabel. (9:50) The crew discusses the narrative thus far this season for Drake Maye and the Patriots. (21:30) We question whether the Patriots should be 3-0 or if their 1-2 record a reflection of what they actually are. (32:30)…

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Sox Take A Crucial Game In Toronto // Roman Anthony Update // ABS Coming Next Season- 9/24 (Hour 1) 42:30

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour highlighting last night’s Red Sox 4-1 win vs the Blue Jays. (11:07) The crew reacts to the not so positive update on Roman Anthony’s timeline on his return. (19:15) Aaron Boone gave some interesting comments on the Red Sox - Blue Jays series and cautioning Yankee fans rooting for one team or the other, Zo and…

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Christian Gonzalez Has Had No Setbacks // Should We Have Patriots Optimism? // Regrets For Bill Parcells - 9/24 (Hour 2) 40:19

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour with calls and reactions on the Red Sox. (13:36) Christian Gonzalez reportedly has not had any setbacks with his hamstring injury, the crew dives in. (20:50) Bill Parcells says he wishes he did things differently in his final years as Patriots coach, the crew reacts. (29:10) We end the hour with a Patriots Ha…

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Should the 49ers make a SPLASH? | Ross Tucker 34:47

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Ross Tucker joins to discuss if the 49ers should make a big trade for defensive line help - post Nick Bosa injury. (23:02) Ross Tucker https://www.heyguy.co - to BUY HATS or send me an email NEW Prizepicks BONUS: https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/HABERMAN Follow Guy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/guyhaberman/ Follow Guy on X: https://twit…

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Canadian Crude Production & Equities in Changing Times with Randy Ollenberger (Canadian Crude Oil Conference Live Event) 50:51

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Recorded at the Canadian Crude Oil Conference in the wonderful Lake Louise in Canada on 17th September 2025, Randy Ollenberger of BMO Capital Markets, dives into global oil fundamentals, Canadian crude production in a changing world and what that means for oil and gas equities. Sanctions, tariffs, pipeline expansions and Canadian politicians (react…

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Red Sox Vs Blue Jays Preview // Jayson Tatum Pushing Hard For Return // David Pastrnak Tendinitis Update, Bruins Captaincy - 9/23 (Hour 4) 37:04

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the hour with a preview of the crucial upcoming Red Sox series against the Blue Jays and a playoff preview. (10:29) Celtics Superstar Jayson Tatum appeared this morning on The Today Show and did not rule out a return this season, the crew reacted. (19:18) Zo and Beetle give their thoughts on David Pastrnak’s comment o…

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Mike Reiss Joins The Show // Bad Habits From A Lighter Training Camp? // Figuring Out The Struggles On Sunday - 9/23 (Hour 3) 44:27

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(00:00) Mike Reiss of ESPN joins Zolak & Bertrand live from Gillette Stadium to discuss his 3 things. (11:16) Mike Reiss gives his take on Christian Gonzalez’s potential return in the Patriots upcoming game against the Panthers. (24:35) The crew questions whether the Patriots training camp and practice style has contributed to their current struggl…

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Mayo Vs Vrabel: First 3 Games // Gonzalez’ Absence // Are The Patriots A Bad Franchise? - 9/23 (Hour 2) 38:30

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand begin the hour with a debate on who’s first 3 games as Patriots Head Coach were better, Mike Vrabel or Jerod Mayo? (11:00) Zo & Beetle react to the prolonged hamstring injury of CB, Christian Gonzalez. Zolak suggests trading Gonzalez during the pregame show last week. (24:02) First Thing’s First’s Nick Wright calls the Patr…

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A Fair Evaluation Of Drake Maye // Does Maye Need More Starts? // Drake, Maybe Good? - 9/23 (Hour 1) 42:37

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(00:00) Zolak & Bertrand start the show by discussing the performance of Drake Maye and how they believe he played in the week 3 loss to the Steelers. (11:50) The crew reacts to Colin Cowherd’s statement that Drake Maye needs another 15 starts. (21:12) We discuss the future of Drake Maye, the ups and downs, and whether he can reach his ceiling with…