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Unclean - Ep 2: Feathers Scattered to the Wind
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21:13Roy begins this continuation of the Tazria portion by explaining the sin offering. He and Cedric begin to discuss the process of restoration from leprosy. Roy talks about how tzaraat does not have a remedy provided in scripture. Cedric speaks to the ease of the spread of lashon hara. Passages referenced: Leviticus 13, Proverbs 24:17-18…
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To start their discussion of the Tazria Torah portion, Roy talks specifics in the Hebrew translation, and Cedric speaks to the significance of the portion. Roy goes on to explain the importance of a child being born female and clarifies the context of what it means to be clean or unclean. Passages referenced: Leviticus 12:1-8, 15:19-30, Matthew 4:1…
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A Different Path - Ep 6: Transforming the Laws of Nature
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24:40In the final episode of the Ki Tisa portion, Roy talks about the names of God and the divine name given to Moshe. He and Cedric discuss Moshe’s experience with God on Mount Sinai. They go on to discuss the attributes of God, and Cedric relates these to the fruits of the Spirit. Passages referenced: Exodus 33:18-23, 34:4-7, Galatians 5:22-23, Acts 1…
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A Different Path - Ep 5: Unrealistic Hope
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23:45In this episode reviewing the Ki Tisa portion, Roy and Cedric explore Moshe’s relationship with God and his intentions and desires. They also establish Moshe’s status both on earth and in heaven. Passages referenced: Exodus 33:7-16, Numbers 24:4By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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A Different Path - Ep 4: I’m Not a Rabbi, I Play One On TV
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25:43In this continuation of the Ki Tisa portion, Roy and Cedric discuss the Sabbath, and Roy points out that observance of Shabbat is a practice. Cedric talks about the nature of Moshe’s relationship with God and the promise given to Moshe by God. They further analyze the differences between the first and second sets of tablets on which the 10 Commandm…
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A Different Path - Ep 3: He’s Not My Homie
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19:57In this episode of the Ki Tisa portion, Roy and Cedric discuss the responsibility of believers to be representative of Mashiach on earth. Roy notes the “presence” of Mashiach in this section of Torah. Cedric speaks to Jesus’s communicative nature. Passages referenced: Exodus 30:30-32, 31:1-6By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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A Different Path - Ep 2: Out of Time and Space
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31:14In this episode of the Ki Tisa portion, Roy and Cedric review the process of development to get closer to God. They also discuss the materials withheld by the women when the calf was being made and the difference between a father’s and a mother’s approach to their community. Roy shows curiosity in Cedric’s and others’ interpretations of what the la…
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In this episode, Roy and Cedric begin discussion on the Ki Tisa Torah portion. Roy points out the influences of Kabbalah and establishes that the Torah is not chronological. Cedric talks about his appreciation for the equalizing moment of the offering of atonement for the Israelites and what set Moshe apart. Passages referenced: Exodus 32, Exodus 3…
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In the final episode exploring the Terumah portion, Roy and Cedric mull over the temporary state of the physical tabernacle and show appreciation for its mobility. Roy relates to the experience through his participation in Sukkot. Elaine interjects to speak to the importance of the Holy Spirit in the new covenant. Cedric talks about the issue of di…
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The Law - Ep 4: Your Relationship Judges You
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22:04In this continuation of the Terumah portion, Roy and Cedric discuss how the law still applies even after the new covenant was established. Roy digs into the details of the language used in the establishment of the new covenant and why it was established. Cedric talks about the sacrifices made to provide the covenants and how the sacrifice of the ne…
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Roy and Cedric continue the Terumah portion, discussing the details of the colors used in the materials used for the tabernacle and the significance of the copper used in the laver. They contemplate the perpetuity of God’s Word and humans’ responsibility of earthly resources. They also stress the temporary status of the physical Tabernacle. Roy sha…
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Cedric gives his take on the beginning of the Terumah portion in this episode and talks about the purpose of offering. He considers the symbolism of the Ark of the Covenant. He and Roy discuss the construction and materials of the tabernacle, particularly focusing on the mysterious animal, tachash, as well as what everything is meant to represent. …
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In this episode, Roy begins the discussion of the Terumah portion by establishing the necessity of context to read Hebrew. Cedric speaks to the general trouble of translations and interpretations of the Bible. They also talk about the conflicts and ties between the Old and New Testaments, and the importance of both. Roy speaks to his consideration …
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In this episode, Roy and Cedric close out their discussion of the Parashat Bo Torah portion by discussing the plague of the death of the firstborn. They also touch on the consolidation of people as the Israelites left Egypt. Roy talks about how he came to understand Jesus Christ and the issue with trying to explain who He is. They talk about the ac…
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The Plagues - Ep 4: Not A Transparent Darkness
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22:05In this continuation of the Parashat Bo Torah portion, Roy and Cedric discuss the plague of darkness that fell over Egypt and what set it apart from a typical darkness. Cedric ponders the conceptual difference between the identity of “Christian” versus “believer.” Roy revisits what it means to be a lover of the truth. Passages referenced: Exodus 10…
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The Plagues - Ep 3: The Atrocities Are Numerous
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22:30In this continuation of the Parashat Bo Torah portion, Roy and Cedric talk about how we will be held accountable for our actions and history and establish that repentance is a requirement of having a relationship with God. They further discuss the battle between Pharaoh and God, moving from the locust plague to the plague of darkness. Passages refe…
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In this continuation of the Parashat Bo Torah portion, Roy discusses the idea that God's Word does not return to Him void. Cedric speaks to the plagues being representative of the different Egyptian gods. They discuss the difference between being a slave and being enslaved and which the Isrealites in Egypt were. Roy speaks to the importance of that…
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The Plagues - Ep 1: The Pharaoh Command Center
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19:18Welcome back to In the Middle! Roy and Cedric discuss the relationship between God and Pharaoh in this introduction of the Parashat Bo Torah portion. They also talk about the responsibility of God’s people in finding their redemption in Egypt. Passages referenced: Genesis 12-13, 15, Exodus 12:29, Numbers 3:12-13, Exodus 10:1 Video Links: Locust Sup…
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In the Middle will be returning for its third season this week, on Friday at 6:30 PM CT! Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode.By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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Optional War - Ep 4: How Do We Dispose of the Body?
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21:20Roy and Cedric discuss the parallels between the instruction the Isrealites received regarding disposal of bodies and the crucifixion of Yeshua. Cedric talks about the biblical instruction on helping others. They reflect on the concept of the crucifix. A continuation of the Ki Teitzei portion. Passages referenced: Malachi 3:13-18, Deuteronomy 21:22…
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Roy and Cedric talk about how societal norms affect a child’s upbringing. Roy touches on the difference between being led by God and being in His will. They come back to addressing the importance of motive. A continuation of the Ki Teitzei portion. Passages referenced: Matthew 5:19-20 & 7:22-23, Genesis 6:5 & 8:21, James 4:1-10, Ephesians 6:10-13…
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Optional War - Ep 2: Why Do You Wanna Be In Charge of the PTA?
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22:16Roy talks about the importance of motivation in choices. Cedric goes into the consequences of not being able to imagine the process of getting to where you want to be. They discuss who is responsible for the actions of a child and why. Roy talks about the application of these scriptures in the context of a changing world. A continuation of the Ki T…
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Optional War - Ep 1: Live With Your Choice
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20:19What do you do when you go to war? Roy and Cedric discuss the optional war discussed in the Ki Teitzei portion and what rules were given to the Israelites to hold them to a certain standard. Cedric delves into the instruction the Israelites were given for when they did not follow instruction. Roy talks about the Four Kings in the Midrash and the da…
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Vows & Oaths - Ep 4: The Lord Had An Attitude
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23:05Roy and Cedric continue to speak on the war between the Israelites and Midianites. They talk about how the Israelites brought back the women who originally seduced them and discuss the different interpretations on how they were told to handle them. They close the series with a discussion of what happened with the land taken in the conclusion of the…
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Vows & Oaths - Ep 3: Expensive Stereo with Wheels
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17:35Roy and Cedric discuss the concept of desire and lust, and contextualize the negative connotations of it. Roy speaks to the necessity of looking within oneself to address issues one may take with others. They talk about how God dealt with the Midianites regarding their attack on His relationship with the Israelites and acknowledge the abnormality o…
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Roy and Cedric begin discussion on the Matot-Masei portion by defining oaths and vows and the differentiations between the two. Roy speaks to the contextual location of the Torah’s specifics on the rules of vows. He also expands on the expectations regarding how vows are made and followed through (within reasonability). Passages referenced: Numbers…
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Vows & Oaths - Ep 1: Desire On A Gold Platter
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20:42Roy and Cedric kick off the Vows & Oaths series by discussing the relationship between the Old Testament law and New Testament interpretation. Roy speaks to the rigidity of systems, versus the necessary pliability of individuals. They summarize the Pinchas Torah portion in preparation for discussion of the Matot-Masei portion, with Cedric explainin…
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The Last Days - Ep 4: Tabernacle Boot Camp
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19:56Roy and Cedric discuss the true meaning of “the Lord knows my heart.” They also talk about the rules of the tabernacle. Roy connects the dots between the instructions given to Nadab and Abihu and the last days. Cedric talks about how being the light would inherently cause one to stand out. Roy brings it all back to community and how you cannot foll…
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The Last Days - Ep 3: Thank God for the Women
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19:52Roy discusses which good works are meant to be seen and which aren’t and the importance of working on your heart when working on good works. Roy and Cedric deliberate on the difference between good works and works of righteousness. Roy gets into the accessibility of atonement. A continuation of the Acharei Torah portion. Passages referenced: Matthe…
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Roy and Cedric delve deeper into interpretation of scripture. Roy talks about apparent contradictions in scripture and how Jewish law was not done away with. They discuss the importance of conduct and participation in the process. A continuation of the Acharei Torah portion. Passages referenced: 1 Peter 2: 11-12, Ephesians 2:9-10…
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The Last Days - Ep 1: You Can't Pay with Corn Chips
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21:21In this first episode on the Acharei Torah portion, Roy explains the manner of how one is supposed to enter the temple. Cedric speaks to God’s desire for obedience over sacrifice. They discuss the relationship between faith and trust. Roy breaks down some misconceptions of the Jewish faith and the role of the veil in the temple, and Cedric talks ab…
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The Golden Calf - Ep 4: I Don’t Have to be What I Inherited
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34:14Roy and Cedric begin the final episode of The Golden Calf series by setting the scene for a conversation between Moshe and the Lord wherein God proclaims His name. They discuss the possibility of choosing your actions outside of your lineage and further discuss the 13 attributes of God. Roy closes with addressing a parallel to the written Commandme…
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The Golden Calf - Ep 3: Moses’ Workout Program
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19:56Roy and Cedric further discuss proof of concept and how there should be a representative of scripture. Roy points out that everyone is at different points in their own process. Cedric speaks to the Commandments being instructions on how to show your love for God. Roy considers the imagery in the Hebrew language and the importance of it, as well as …
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The Golden Calf - Ep 2: Go Get Your People
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24:29In this episode, Roy and Cedric discuss the golden calf and the events leading up to its creation. Roy delves into the language differences between Jewish and English translations of the Word and explains the meaning of Elohim. Roy digs into the Jewish interpretation of the golden calf and the hidden meanings in seemingly insignificant language in …
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The Golden Calf - Ep 1: The Creation of Choice
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19:10Roy and Cedric start this series by discussing the census and counting people equally. They get into the details of how sin adds to righteousness. Roy talks about conduct through trials where God is not felt and the creation of choice. Knowing the difference between God’s wisdom and our own. Passage referenced: Exodus 30:11-12…
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Roy and Cedric delve into the First and Fourth Commandments and their more literal meanings. They also discuss the standard of believers under Yeshua. Roy talks about the apparent shortage of those whom God can show himself strong in. They close the Truth series by talking about the self sacrifice required to create positive change to help others. …
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Truth - Ep 3: “Because I Told You So” Don’t Work
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26:55Roy and Cedric consider the power of the truth and how it can conflict with religion. Cedric speaks to the decrease of biblical literacy amongst Christians. Roy explains how the destruction of the temple was a result of the Jewish community allowing religion to become a business. They consider the frailty of humans in the context of overall existen…
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Roy and Cedric discuss the way in which Yitro added to Torah. Roy talks about being a searcher of truth. They discuss the meaning of “logos” and its roots in Greek mythology. Roy explains the meaning of hatred from a Jewish perspective. Passages referenced: Exodus 18:13-26, John 1:1-5, 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12, Psalm 119:140-144, Deuteronomy 25:13-15…
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Truth - Ep 1: The Chair’s Gonna Tell On Me
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22:22Roy and Cedric begin to discuss Moshe’s father-in-law, Yitro (or Jethro), and his role in Moshe’s inner circle. Roy talks about the context of the usage of the name Elohim as opposed to other iterations of the name of the Lord. They speak to the function of nature in spirituality and religion. Passages referenced: Exodus 18:1-12, Romans 12:2…
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Some brief thoughts on Palestine from the In the Middle team.By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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Roy and Cedric consider the agricultural background of tithing in the Bible and contemplate converting the concept to a modern, monetary equivalent. They also discuss the responsibility of a believer to hold accountable the leaders of the organizations they tithe to. Roy closes The Tithe series by explaining the importance of community in correctin…
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Roy delves further into tithing as a Messianic Jew. He and Cedric discuss the complications of applying biblical tithing rules to the modern day. They also talk about the intricacies of considering how the tithe is ultimately handled by the people or entities that receive it. Passage referenced: Deuteronomy 14:22…
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Roy and Cedric discuss what it means to tithe, what its purpose is, and what one’s purpose should be when they tithe. Roy analyzes tithing from a biblical perspective. Cedric explains his beliefs on tithing from a Christian perspective. Passages Referenced: Genesis 14:18-20, Deuteronomy 26, Genesis 28:10-22, Deuteronomy 8:8, 14:22-23…
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Choice of Motivation - Ep 4: You Lookin' Like Prey
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20:01Roy speaks to the requirements to become sons of God and how one’s attributes align with who they follow. Cedric talks about the instruction of praying in the Lord’s name and the meaning of the word “Amen.” They finish out the Choice of Motivation series by discussing the importance of interceding for the whole as opposed to the individual. Passage…
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Choice of Motivation - Ep 3: Christianese Interpreter
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22:11Roy and Cedric discuss the dangers of being overzealous in attempting to enact the will of God. Roy expands on this by reiterating the importance of considering the community in your actions. Cedric speaks to his own experience of realizing the importance of holding himself accountable before trying to hold others accountable, as well as coming to …
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Choice of Motivation - Ep 2: The Suffering Servant
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23:44Roy explains that believers are not allowed to delight in the destruction of others. Cedric and Roy discuss the purpose and responsibility of priesthood and what it means to stand in the gap for others. Passages referenced: Proverbs 24:17, Romans 12:1-2, Numbers 20:1-13, Matthew 13:24-30By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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Choice of Motivation - Ep 1: Heaven's Black Eye
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23:26Cedric speaks to the struggle of calling himself a Christian in the modern day and the connotations that come with the title. Roy breaks down how legalism comes about and the importance of structure in community. Passage referenced: Numbers 25By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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The Mixed Multitude - Ep 4: We'll Take Anybody
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30:16Roy and Cedric close out the Mixed Multitude series with a discussion of issues that may arise when a mixed multitude comes together and the difficulties some have with separating from their experience of oppression. Roy speaks about lashon hara (evil speech) and the biblical consequences of it. They end with discussing the process of removing leav…
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The Mixed Multitude - Ep 3: What the Problem Is?
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20:20Roy and Cedric further discuss the Seven Middot and how they interlink with each other. Roy speaks to his experiences with the Jewish interpretation of scripture. He and Cedric consider believers’ common struggles with interpreting scripture and how to dig deeper. They also speak to the reality of a mixed multitude. Passage referenced: Hebrews 5: 8…
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The Mixed Multitude - Ep 2: The Seven Attributes
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22:55Roy and Cedric discuss the role of believers in the world. Roy explains the Seven Middot (Seven Divine Emotive Attributes) and each corresponding personality type. Chabad Article on the Seven Middot Passages referenced: Numbers 8-12By Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer
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