Welcome to The Gray Divorce Podcast. Join Divorce Financial Advisor and Retirement Planning Counsellor Andrew Hatherley and guest experts as they help late life divorcees build the financial foundation for a meaningful life after divorce. There is life after divorce!
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This divorce podcast digs deep into issues of divorce that center around real property including the marital home and other real property and divorce mortgage planning. Helping divorcing homeowners and the members of the professional divorce team make more informed decisions regarding the home equity solutions during and after divorce. Hosted by the Divorce Lending Association.
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EP: 17.25 - Cash Flow, Confidence & Clarity: Building Stability After Divorce
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18:10Divorce brings emotional upheaval — and for many women, serious financial uncertainty. In this episode, Certified Divorce Lending Professional Stacey Ellison sits down with Jayeeta Choudhury, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and financial planner, to explore how women can protect their financial future during one of life’s toughest transitions.…
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EP: 16.25 - When the House Becomes the Client: A Collaborative Approach to Divorce Real Estate
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24:34In this episode of the Divorce Strategies Podcast from the Divorce Lending Association, Certified Divorce Lending Professional Cindy Scoby sits down with Amy Alpeza, Certified Real Estate Divorce Specialist and Collaborative Divorce Professional based in Washington State. Together, they explore what it truly means to support divorcing clients throu…
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How to Tell Your Spouse You Want a Divorce with Alexandra Geczi
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32:08How do you start one of the hardest conversations of your life—the one where you tell your spouse you want a divorce? In Episode 79, Andrew Hatherley speaks with family law attorney Alexandra Geczi, about the six steps to approaching this emotional and delicate moment with honesty, compassion, and clarity. From emotional preparation to timing and c…
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EP 15.25: Taking Tasks Off the Table: Concierge Services for Families in Transition
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12:08In this episode, Certified Divorce Lending Professional Karla Kyte sits down with Allison Welch, founder of As You Wish Lifestyle, a personal concierge company supporting families through major life transitions — including divorce. Allison shares how her team provides hands-on assistance for busy families, from relocation coordination and home orga…
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Is political polarization just a national issue—or is it playing out in our marriages too? In Episode 78, Andrew Hatherley explores how today’s divisive political climate may be impacting relationships in later life. Through personal observations and expert insight, this episode asks: could our political obsessions be contributing to the rise in gr…
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The 3 Questions of Life-Centered Financial Planning After Divorce
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16:02What if your financial plan didn’t start with your money, but with your life? In Episode 77, Andrew dives into the transformative power of life-centered financial planning, especially for those navigating the challenges of gray divorce. Discover how to prioritize purpose, relationships, and personal goals—without waiting for a “magic number” in you…
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Divorce, Mediation, and Mortgage Planning: Where Finance Meets Family
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32:15In this episode of Divorce Mortgage Strategies, host Jody Bruns sits down with Joe, a non-attorney mediator with a background in finance and negotiation, to explore the powerful intersection of divorce, mediation, and mortgage planning. Together, they discuss: ✔ How Joe’s journey from corporate negotiation to divorce mediation shaped his approach ✔…
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Working with a Realtor in Divorce with Lori Hawkins
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37:51Andrew is joined by Lori Hawkins, a Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert (CDRE™) and seasoned Realtor® who specializes in guiding divorcing couples through the emotionally charged process of selling the family home. With neutrality, clarity, and a client-centered approach, Lori ensures smoother transitions and smarter financial outcomes. Thanks for…
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Life insurance is often misunderstood in the divorce process—especially in gray divorce. In Episode 75, Andrew breaks down how different types of life insurance play into divorce settlements, spousal support protection, and marital asset division. Whether you’re the one paying or receiving support, this episode will help you make smarter insurance …
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Mediation is Not for the Weak with Melissa Farag
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31:59Andrew is joined by Melissa Farag, a family law mediator, former divorce litigator, and host of the High Vibe Divorce podcast. A recovering litigator turned compassionate conflict-resolution guide, Melissa brings a transformative approach to divorce through insight-based mediation. She shares how curiosity, emotional intelligence, and a non-adversa…
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Supporting Mediation Without Being the Mediator: The Power of the REMS Certification
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27:56The Real Estate Mediation Specialist (REMS) Certification isn’t about becoming a mediator—it’s about becoming a more informed and effective professional in the divorce space. In this episode, we explore how the REMS program elevates your ability to support divorcing homeowners, attorneys, and the mediation process without stepping outside your prof…
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Dealing with Annuities in Divorce: What You Need to Know
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17:12In this episode, Andrew breaks down the complexities of annuities in divorce—one of the most misunderstood and often mishandled assets in marital separation. Whether you’re receiving or dividing annuities, understanding how they’re taxed, valued, and distributed is key to securing a fair financial settlement. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grat…
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A Values-Based Approach to Divorce with Hirsch Serman CPA, CDFA
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33:09Andrew is joined by Hirsch Serman, a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst®, CPA, and trained mediator. Hirsch helps navigate the complex financial terrain of divorce with a values-based approach, empowering clients to take control of their financial future. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 s…
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In this solo episode, Andrew takes on the “F” word in divorce—and no, it’s not the one you think. While many professionals warn against using the word “fair,” Andrew digs deeper into another emotional force that holds even more power over midlife divorce: fear. Drawing from personal experience, neuroscience, and psychological research, Andrew explo…
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What does it look like to truly support dads after divorce? In this powerful episode, Karla Kyte sits down with the founder of Rediscovered Dad, Yaniv Baruch to talk about creating welcoming, stable homes for fathers and their children—emotionally and physically. From counseling to cleaning, design, and practical support, this one-stop-shop is chan…
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From Chemist to Coach: Helping Men Navigate Divorce with James Traub
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30:18Andrew is joined by Certified Divorce Coach® James Traub. James helps men (and women) navigate the divorce process with clarity, emotional resilience, and purpose—especially those in midlife facing the complex realities of separation, identity shifts, and life after marriage. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the pod…
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EP: 08.25 Jody Bruns with Andrew Hatherley
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31:34Life After Gray Divorce: Rebuilding Identity, Security, and Connection After 50 What does life look like after divorce when you're already nearing—or living in—retirement? In this episode of the Divorce and Mortgage Strategies Podcast, host Jody Bruns is joined by Andrew Hatherley, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and host of The Gray Divorce P…
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EP: 07.25 - Amy Valdivia with Michelle Muhammed, Founder of the Next Chapter Divorce
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25:20In this episode of The Divorce Podcast, hosted by Amy Valdivia of the Divorce Lending Association, we’re joined by Michelle Mohammad, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and founder of The Next Chapter Divorce. Michelle shares her powerful journey from chemist to financial planner to divorce financial specialist, and how her passion for educating …
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Dealing with the Family Home in Gray Divorce
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15:04In this episode of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew tackles one of the most emotional and financially complex aspects of late-life divorce, the fate of the family home. From affordability to emotional attachment to tax implications, this episode offers a deep dive into how to make thoughtful, informed decisions about selling or keeping the house af…
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EP: 06.25 - Karla Kyte, CDLP with Melissa Simonton, LLP
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17:23In this episode of the Divorce and Mortgage Strategies Podcast, host Karla Kyte, CDLP®, sits down with Melissa Simonton, LLP, a Licensed Legal Paraprofessional, to discuss "Breaking Barriers: How Colorado’s LLPs Are Transforming Divorce Representation." Melissa shares her journey from senior paralegal to business owner and licensed legal profession…
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Strengthening Your Mindset for Growth with Nicole Comis
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41:00Andrew is joined by Certified life and mindset coach Nicole Comis. Nicole partners with her clients to break through unconscious patterns, strengthen their mindset, and build the clarity, confidence, and courage to go after what they truly want. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Pleas…
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Gray Divorce meets Silver Divorce with Lisa McCluskey
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36:00Andrew chats with Lisa McCluskey, host of The Silver Divorce Podcast, who talks about her personal journey through divorce after retirement and how it inspired her to launch a platform to support others navigating mid-to-late life divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visi…
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Ep: 05.25 - Amy Valdivia and Lisa Johnson
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44:14This week, host Amy Valdivia welcomes Lisa Johnson, co-founder of Been There, Got Out. Lisa shares her powerful journey of overcoming a high-conflict, abusive marriage—and how she now helps others navigate toxic relationships with the right legal and emotional support. From self-representation wins to legislative advocacy, Lisa offers hope, insight…
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Stock Market Volatility and a Free Book Offer!
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16:17Andrew dives into the recent volatility we’ve seen in the stock market—and how that kind of financial uncertainty can affect those of you going through mid-late-life divorce. He also announces a drawing for a free copy of the new book Divorce Amicably: Your Roadmap to Resolution. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the…
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EP: 04.25 - Karla Kyte, CDLP with Jennifer Berryhill, LLP
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23:17Visit www.divorceworkshop.com for more information and to take back control. At the Divorce Lending Association, our mission is to help divorcing homeowners make more informed decisions regarding their home equity solutions and the divorce team identify any potential conflicts between the divorce settlement, the mortgage, and real property. Divorce…
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EP: 3.25 - Karla Kyte, CDLP® with Licensed Legal Paraprofessional, Laura Landon
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19:59Join Karla Kyte, CDLP® and Licensed Legal Professional Laura Landon as they dive into an important and evolving role on the divorce team in Colorado — the Licensed Legal Paraprofessional (LLP). Laura has been working in family law since 2009 and has come to appreciate helping clients through difficult and emotional times. As a paralegal, she has su…
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EP: 02.25 - Amy Valdivia, CDLP with Natasha Davidson
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38:46In the midst of heartbreak, healing begins — Join Amy Valdivia, CDLP and Natasha Davidson of Heart Rooted Health as they discuss how to reconnect with yourself and heal your heart during divorce. This episode is a soul-soothing journey you don’t want to miss. After experiencing the shock of her divorce, Natasha discovered that it was one of the gre…
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How can horses help you get through divorce? Learn all about equine facilitated therapy in my chat with Kim Smith LMFT. We discuss examples of the incredible impact horses can have in treating emotional issues. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wis…
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Retirement is an Inside Job with Suzanne Campi
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34:35Divorce represents a major life transition, and when it coincides with retirement, it presents unique challenges and opportunities. In this episode, Andrew sits down with life transitions coach Suzanne Campi to discuss how to navigate retirement successfully. With a background in psychology, Suzanne emphasizes the importance of a holistic approach …
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Divorce & Debt: How to Protect Your Finances Before It’s Too Late
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24:33Divorce & Debt: How to Protect Your Finances Before It’s Too Late Divorce doesn’t just divide assets—it also divides debt, and if you’re not careful, your financial future could be at risk. In this episode of Divorce Mortgage Strategies with The Divorce Lending Association, host Jody Bruns, creator of the Certified Divorce Lending Professional (CDL…
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The Book on Amicable Divorce with Tracy Ann Moore - Grant
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27:53Tracy Ann Moore Grant, founder of the amicable divorce network, returns to the podcast to talk about the publication of her new book Divorce Amicably: Your Roadmap to Resolution. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorce Solutions. Follow And…
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EP: 01.25 - Amy Valdivia, CDLP® with Attorney and Real Estate Broker, Christine Donovan
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24:04Host Amy Valdivia sits down with Attorney & Real Estate Broker Christine Donovan to discuss the importance of having the right team by your side during and after divorce. No matter your situation, rebuilding your life is possible with the right support—financial experts, legal professionals, and emotional guidance can help you move forward with con…
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Divorce can be difficult enough in the simplest of situations. But imagine that you live overseas, and you've decided to get divorced. Imagine the added stress of dealing with divorce in a different culture with a different language and different laws. This episode’s guest, Chloe Oudiz, is a divorce and separation coach who specializes in working w…
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Dating after Gray Divorce with Bela Ghandi
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36:35In a special Valentine's Day episode of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew interviews nationally acclaimed dating coach Bela Gandhi. Bela discusses the work she does with gray divorcees, coaching them through the dating process. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend R…
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When to Say No - Setting Boundaries in Divorce with Tracy Gould Sheinin
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35:31Do you know when to say no? Are you a people pleaser who would rather defer to someone else's wishes just to get along? In this episode Andrew talks to Tracy Gould Sheinin, a specialist on setting boundaries. Andrew and Tracy dig into the importance of setting boundaries before, during and after divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful …
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Blue Zones, Ikigai and a Long, Happy Life
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22:27What can a small town called Ogimi on the north end of Okinawa in Japan teach us about living a happy life after gray divorce? What can a mountain village in Sardinia teach us about staying fit? In episode 59 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Divorce financial planner Andrew Hatherley examines 5 Blue Zone communities which seem to have found the secret …
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The Mediation Experience with Attorney Amber Robinson
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42:20In this episode Andrew discusses the inner workings of a mediation session with family law attorney Amber Robinson. Having served as a financial neutral mediator in several mediations with Amber and her clients and other attorneys and their clients, the discussion details what a mediation looks like from the introductory meeting to drawing up the s…
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Dealing with Family and the Holidays with Kathleen Shack, LMFT
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26:42Andrew chats with Kathleen Shack, a marriage and family therapist and divorce coach. They discuss the unique challenges of dealing with gray divorce and families over the holidays. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorce Solutions. Follow A…
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In episode 56 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the role of the Divorce Chief Financial Officer (or Divorce CFO) in your divorce. While divorce may be a legal process, it’s really about money. Listen to the podcast and find out why it may be wise to hire a Divorce CFO before an attorney! Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if yo…
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Married to the Mortgage with Jennifer Brown, CDLP®
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38:03Andrew chats with Jennifer Brown, a Certified Divorce Lending Professional. They discuss the various mortgage financing options available to divorcing couples, including potential mortgage assumptions. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorc…
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The Danger of Free Time - Retirement and Gray Divorce with Marianne Oehser
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34:31Andrew chats with Marianne Oehser, a Certified Retirement and Relationship Coach. They discuss the link between retirement and late life divorce and the danger that an unstructured, poorly planned retirement can have on a marriage. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transc…
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In Episode 53 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the effects of taxes on your divorce settlement. Failing to plan for the after-tax effect of your marital settlement agreement can result in you coming out with much less money than you thought! Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 sta…
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Andrew attends the 2024 Nevada Family Law Conference and provides some key takeaways to help your divorce case. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorce Solutions. Follow Andrew on LinkedIn too!…
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EP: 39.24 - Jason Gordon, CDLP® and Rhonda Noordyk, CDFA
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53:40In this episode of the Divorce Podcast by the Divorce Lending Association, Certified Divorce Lending Professional (CDLP®) Jason Gordon interviews Rhonda Noordyk, CDFA®, a well-respected divorce financial strategist known internationally for pioneering a path for women to navigate the financial complexities of divorce. Together, they dive deep into …
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What You Need to Know About QDROs with Shann D. Winesett
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30:59Andrew chats with Shann Winesett, a family law attorney and experienced QDRO preparer. They discuss the importance of the QDRO in retirement plan division in divorce. They discuss common mistakes that are made in preparing QDROs and how to avoid potential financial grief in the future. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe …
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Special 50th Edition of The Gray Divorce Podcast
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16:22Andrew celebrates the 50th episode of the podcast by reviewing your five favorite episodes. He also discusses the origins of the podcast In the hope that it might inspire listeners to get started on their own creative projects. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend …
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In Episode 49 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the question of whether money can buy happiness. He discusses recent research that suggests a high degree of correlation between money and happiness. He discusses previous research which suggested limits to the correlation and tries to find some common ground. Thanks for listening! We'd be…
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Business Valuation in Divorce with Jennifer Allen CPA, ABV
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28:29Andrew chats with Jennifer Allen, a business valuation specialist based in Las Vegas. They discuss the importance of business valuation in divorce. How do business buyouts work? What does she look for in business financials to detect attempts to undervalue the business? What happens when each party brings in their own business valuation expert? Tha…
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Life After Gray Divorce - Rebuilding Overseas with Jeff Opdyke
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46:38In episode 47 of The Gray Divorce Podcast Andrew chats with writer and international traveler Jeff Opdyke. Jeff went through a midlife divorce at age 50, after a 25-year marriage. Shortly after the divorce his life was shaken again when he lost his job. But Jeff is now flourishing. He's remarried, living overseas and writing professionally and crea…
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Finding Hidden Cash in Divorce with Laurie Dyke CPA, CFF, CFE
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29:26In Episode 46 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with Laurie Dyke, a Certified Public Accountant, Certified in Financial Forensics and Certified Fraud Examiner. They discuss some of the ways a spouse may hide cash or intentionally undervalue marital assets, such as a business, in divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd …
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