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The Gray Divorce Podcast

Andrew Hatherley

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Welcome to The Gray Divorce Podcast. Join Divorce Financial Advisor and Retirement Planning Counsellor Andrew Hatherley and guest experts as they help late life divorcees build the financial foundation for a meaningful life after divorce. There is life after divorce!
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Our Prenup Lawyer

Elizabeth Garabedian

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Our Prenup Lawyer where you and I get to learn more about prenups, as I interview professionals in family law, couples counseling, and wealth management. Hosted by Elizabeth "Libby" Garabedian
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Andrew Hatherley, a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst, founder of Wiser Divorce Solutions and host of The Gray Divorce Podcast. Andrew helps people before, during, and after divorce navigate financial complexities with clarity and confidence. Having experienced the challenges of gray divorce firsthand, Andrew is committed to helping others avoid …
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When Oprah Winfrey dedicates an episode of her podcast to Gray Divorce, people pay attention. In Episode 82, Andrew Hatherley shares his reflections on Oprah’s recent discussion, “Gray Divorce and Adult Children: The Fallout for the Family,” offering insight into what the episode got right—and what it overlooked. From missing male voices to underex…
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Jordan Enright is the founder of Enright Law, a family law firm with offices in San Diego, CA, and Bellevue, WA, dedicated to guiding modern families through divorce, custody, and family disputes with clarity and confidence. A graduate of California Western School of Law, she began her career in civil litigation before focusing on family law, where…
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Renée Bauer is a trailblazing family law attorney, award-winning author, and sought-after speaker who has redefined how people think about divorce and reinvention. As the Founder and Managing Attorney of Happy Even After Family Law, she empowers clients to move forward with confidence, handling complex, high-asset cases with precision and compassio…
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How do you handle the holidays after a late-life divorce? In Episode 81 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew Hatherley welcomes back Dr. Carol Hughes—renowned psychologist, mediator, and author of Home Will Never Be the Same Again—to discuss how individuals and families can navigate the emotional challenges of divorce during Thanksgiving, Christmas,…
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Tami Wollensak, CDLP & Divorce Mortgage Specialist. Getting to the Heart of How Divorce Reshapes Your Home, Mortgage, and Financial Life. Tami is a Certified Divorce Lending Professional (CDLP®) and a Divorce Mortgage Specialist with over 25 years of experience in the mortgage industry, helping individuals navigate the financial complexities of div…
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Equity compensation—like restricted stock units (RSUs) and stock options—can be one of the most confusing (and valuable) assets in a divorce. In Episode 80, Andrew welcomes Laurie Itkin, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA) and founder of The Options Lady, to demystify this complex topic. Laurie shares how equity compensation works, what divo…
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Tyler Summers is a Massachusetts family law attorney who helps clients navigate life's most difficult transitions with clarity, compassion, and strategic insight. Founding his firm in 2015, Tyler has offices in both Boston and Needham. Tyler focuses on high-net-worth prenuptial agreements and divorces, bringing together precise legal work with an u…
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Meet Modern Husband: Brian Page. Brian is the founder of Modern Husbands, a platform dedicated to helping married couples — especially dual-career partners — manage money and household responsibilities together. He holds a Master of Education (M.Ed.) degree, is an Accredited Financial Counselor® (AFC®), CPFFE®, and Fair Play® Certified (a specialis…
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How do you start one of the hardest conversations of your life—the one where you tell your spouse you want a divorce? In Episode 79, Andrew Hatherley speaks with family law attorney Alexandra Geczi, about the six steps to approaching this emotional and delicate moment with honesty, compassion, and clarity. From emotional preparation to timing and c…
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Meet Jennifer Smith. Jennifer is an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist dedicated to supporting individuals, couples, and families through life's challenges. She brings a compassionate, client-centered approach that integrates evidence-based practices to foster healing, resilience, and growth. With a strong commitment to mental health advocacy,…
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Jacqueline Newman is a managing partner of Berkman Bottger Newman & Schein LLP, where she focuses on litigation, collaborative law, and mediation, specializing in high net worth matrimonial cases and prenuptial agreements. She is the author of The New Rules of Divorce: Twelve Secrets to Protecting Your Wealth, Health and Happiness (Simon & Schuster…
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Is political polarization just a national issue—or is it playing out in our marriages too? In Episode 78, Andrew Hatherley explores how today’s divisive political climate may be impacting relationships in later life. Through personal observations and expert insight, this episode asks: could our political obsessions be contributing to the rise in gr…
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Meet this Savvy Lady, Lisa Ziederman. Lisa is a Managing Partner at Miller Zeiderman LLP, based in New York. Lisa is a matrimonial attorney, CFL, and CDFA, she regularly handles litigation and complex financial and custody divorce matters, as well as pre- and post-nuptial agreements. Lisa has been recognized for her excellence in the legal field by…
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On this Episode of the Our Prenup Lawyer Podcast, we talk to the "anti-prenup prenup lawyer", Laurie Israel. Laurie is a nationally known prenuptial agreement attorney and mediator who works with couples formulating prenups throughout the country. She is the author of "The Marriage-Friendly Prenup" (2025), "The Generous Prenup" (2018), and "Mediati…
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What if your financial plan didn’t start with your money, but with your life? In Episode 77, Andrew dives into the transformative power of life-centered financial planning, especially for those navigating the challenges of gray divorce. Discover how to prioritize purpose, relationships, and personal goals—without waiting for a “magic number” in you…
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Meet Forrest "Woody" Mosten, an internationally recognized mediator, collaborative attorney, and certified family law specialist, who has dedicated his career to advancing peacemaking and access to justice. He is the co-founder of the Mosten Mediation Training Academy, which provides online mediation training to professionals around the world. Know…
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On this episode of Our Prenup Lawyer Podcast, we talk to Michael DiFalco, partner at Aiello & DiFalco LLP in Garden City, NY, who is an accomplished family law attorney representing clients in high-stakes divorce, custody, and support cases. Michael has a strong presence in the legal community of New York, having served as Chair of the Young Lawyer…
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Andrew is joined by Lori Hawkins, a Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert (CDRE™) and seasoned Realtor® who specializes in guiding divorcing couples through the emotionally charged process of selling the family home. With neutrality, clarity, and a client-centered approach, Lori ensures smoother transitions and smarter financial outcomes. Thanks for…
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On this episode of Our Prenup Lawyer Podcast, we talk to Jamie Lima MBA, CFP®, CDFA®, Certified Mediator, founder of Allegiant Divorce Solutions and SecureSplit. With nearly 20 years of experience, he specializes in helping clients navigate divorce and complex financial decisions with clarity and confidence. His mission is to make financial plannin…
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Life insurance is often misunderstood in the divorce process—especially in gray divorce. In Episode 75, Andrew breaks down how different types of life insurance play into divorce settlements, spousal support protection, and marital asset division. Whether you’re the one paying or receiving support, this episode will help you make smarter insurance …
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On this Episode of Our Prenup Lawyer Podcast, we talk to Tracy Ann Moore, a trailblazing family law attorney and founder of the Amicable Divorce Network, a global initiative reshaping how couples divorce with dignity. As a practicing non-litigation lawyer, mediator, arbitrator, guardian ad litem and parent coordinator, she helps clients resolve div…
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Andrew is joined by Melissa Farag, a family law mediator, former divorce litigator, and host of the High Vibe Divorce podcast. A recovering litigator turned compassionate conflict-resolution guide, Melissa brings a transformative approach to divorce through insight-based mediation. She shares how curiosity, emotional intelligence, and a non-adversa…
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In this episode, Andrew breaks down the complexities of annuities in divorce—one of the most misunderstood and often mishandled assets in marital separation. Whether you’re receiving or dividing annuities, understanding how they’re taxed, valued, and distributed is key to securing a fair financial settlement. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grat…
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During this episode of Our Prenup Lawyer Podcast, we talk to Scott Levin, a family law attorney, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst, and founder of the Chief PeaceKeeper™ Mediation Method, dedicated to helping California families navigate divorce outside of court with compassion and clarity. With over 20 years of experience in finance and litigati…
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Andrew is joined by Hirsch Serman, a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst®, CPA, and trained mediator. Hirsch helps navigate the complex financial terrain of divorce with a values-based approach, empowering clients to take control of their financial future. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 s…
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In this solo episode, Andrew takes on the “F” word in divorce—and no, it’s not the one you think. While many professionals warn against using the word “fair,” Andrew digs deeper into another emotional force that holds even more power over midlife divorce: fear. Drawing from personal experience, neuroscience, and psychological research, Andrew explo…
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Andrew is joined by Certified Divorce Coach® James Traub. James helps men (and women) navigate the divorce process with clarity, emotional resilience, and purpose—especially those in midlife facing the complex realities of separation, identity shifts, and life after marriage. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the pod…
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In this episode of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew tackles one of the most emotional and financially complex aspects of late-life divorce, the fate of the family home. From affordability to emotional attachment to tax implications, this episode offers a deep dive into how to make thoughtful, informed decisions about selling or keeping the house af…
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Andrew is joined by Certified life and mindset coach Nicole Comis. Nicole partners with her clients to break through unconscious patterns, strengthen their mindset, and build the clarity, confidence, and courage to go after what they truly want. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Pleas…
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Andrew chats with Lisa McCluskey, host of The Silver Divorce Podcast, who talks about her personal journey through divorce after retirement and how it inspired her to launch a platform to support others navigating mid-to-late life divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visi…
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Andrew dives into the recent volatility we’ve seen in the stock market—and how that kind of financial uncertainty can affect those of you going through mid-late-life divorce. He also announces a drawing for a free copy of the new book Divorce Amicably: Your Roadmap to Resolution. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the…
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How can horses help you get through divorce? Learn all about equine facilitated therapy in my chat with Kim Smith LMFT. We discuss examples of the incredible impact horses can have in treating emotional issues. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wis…
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Divorce represents a major life transition, and when it coincides with retirement, it presents unique challenges and opportunities. In this episode, Andrew sits down with life transitions coach Suzanne Campi to discuss how to navigate retirement successfully. With a background in psychology, Suzanne emphasizes the importance of a holistic approach …
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Tracy Ann Moore Grant, founder of the amicable divorce network, returns to the podcast to talk about the publication of her new book Divorce Amicably: Your Roadmap to Resolution. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorce Solutions. Follow And…
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Divorce can be difficult enough in the simplest of situations. But imagine that you live overseas, and you've decided to get divorced. Imagine the added stress of dealing with divorce in a different culture with a different language and different laws. This episode’s guest, Chloe Oudiz, is a divorce and separation coach who specializes in working w…
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In a special Valentine's Day episode of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew interviews nationally acclaimed dating coach Bela Gandhi. Bela discusses the work she does with gray divorcees, coaching them through the dating process. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend R…
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Do you know when to say no? Are you a people pleaser who would rather defer to someone else's wishes just to get along? In this episode Andrew talks to Tracy Gould Sheinin, a specialist on setting boundaries. Andrew and Tracy dig into the importance of setting boundaries before, during and after divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful …
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What can a small town called Ogimi on the north end of Okinawa in Japan teach us about living a happy life after gray divorce? What can a mountain village in Sardinia teach us about staying fit? In episode 59 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Divorce financial planner Andrew Hatherley examines 5 Blue Zone communities which seem to have found the secret …
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In this episode Andrew discusses the inner workings of a mediation session with family law attorney Amber Robinson. Having served as a financial neutral mediator in several mediations with Amber and her clients and other attorneys and their clients, the discussion details what a mediation looks like from the introductory meeting to drawing up the s…
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Andrew chats with Kathleen Shack, a marriage and family therapist and divorce coach. They discuss the unique challenges of dealing with gray divorce and families over the holidays. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorce Solutions. Follow A…
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In episode 56 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the role of the Divorce Chief Financial Officer (or Divorce CFO) in your divorce. While divorce may be a legal process, it’s really about money. Listen to the podcast and find out why it may be wise to hire a Divorce CFO before an attorney! Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if yo…
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Andrew chats with Jennifer Brown, a Certified Divorce Lending Professional. They discuss the various mortgage financing options available to divorcing couples, including potential mortgage assumptions. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement or Wiser Divorc…
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Andrew chats with Marianne Oehser, a Certified Retirement and Relationship Coach. They discuss the link between retirement and late life divorce and the danger that an unstructured, poorly planned retirement can have on a marriage. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transc…
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In Episode 53 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the effects of taxes on your divorce settlement. Failing to plan for the after-tax effect of your marital settlement agreement can result in you coming out with much less money than you thought! Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 sta…
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Andrew chats with Shann Winesett, a family law attorney and experienced QDRO preparer. They discuss the importance of the QDRO in retirement plan division in divorce. They discuss common mistakes that are made in preparing QDROs and how to avoid potential financial grief in the future. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe …
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Andrew celebrates the 50th episode of the podcast by reviewing your five favorite episodes. He also discusses the origins of the podcast In the hope that it might inspire listeners to get started on their own creative projects. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend …
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In Episode 49 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the question of whether money can buy happiness. He discusses recent research that suggests a high degree of correlation between money and happiness. He discusses previous research which suggested limits to the correlation and tries to find some common ground. Thanks for listening! We'd be…
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Andrew chats with Jennifer Allen, a business valuation specialist based in Las Vegas. They discuss the importance of business valuation in divorce. How do business buyouts work? What does she look for in business financials to detect attempts to undervalue the business? What happens when each party brings in their own business valuation expert? Tha…
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