The Design of Business | The Business of Design explores how design shapes, and is shaped by, the world around us. Hosted by Ellen McGirt, the podcast features conversations with visionary leaders from a wide range of industries, from architecture and technology to journalism and retail. Together, they examine creative practices, challenge conventional thinking, and explore how design drives business, innovation, and social change. In Season 12 of DB|BD, host Ellen McGirt explores Designing ...
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On Location at the Aspen Institute Part 2: Redesigning Leadership
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41:49We’re back with part 2 of our peek behind the curtain of the 2025 Aspen Business & Society Summit. And this time we are asking the big question. In a period of global turmoil, does leadership need a redesign? It’s clear that today’s leaders- whether of a business, a government or a family- require an unprecedented level of courage, vision and integ…
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On Location at the Aspen Institute Part 1: Diving Into Disruption
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35:40Every summer, the Aspen Institute’s Business and Society Program’s annual summit gathers 200+ leaders from the worlds of business, science, government, design, and the arts at the Institute's Colorado campus. They convene for three days of panels, spontaneous conversations and knowledge sharing- all driven by a shared belief that business can shape…
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Special Episode: Ellen McGirt Opens the Curiosity Playbook on Say More with Tulaine Montgomery
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41:03Instead of our usual episode, we're excited to share a podcast we think you'll love: Say More with Tulaine Montgomery. In her podcast, Tulaine speaks with people who are deeply committed to making the world a better place, while also taking care of themselves and supporting their communities. In this episode, she puts DB|BD host Ellen McGirt on the…
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S12E9: The Risks of Retreating from DEI with Catalyst’s Alix Pollack & Redesigning Design Thinking with Doug Powell
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52:26In a time where it's hard to feel hopeful, a new study has left leaders who value DEI aflutter with tentative optimism. It’s called The Risk of Retreat, conducted by Catalyst and the NYU Meltzer Center of Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging, it compiled data from surveys of 2,500 employees from across the U.S. on their thoughts about workplaces back…
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S12E8: Candace Parker & Michael C. Bush on Purpose, Leadership and Meeting the Moment
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47:41In this episode of DB|BD, you’re in for a two for one– or in this case, a double double. First up, host Ellen McGirt sits down with Michael C. Bush, the CEO of Great Place to Work. Every year, Great Place to Work sends out a survey to 23 million people across 170 countries to ask them how valued and respected they feel at work. Companies that score…
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S12E7: Compassionate Design, Career Advice and Leaving 18F with Designer Ethan Marcotte
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41:27Ethan Marcotte is a web designer who may be best known for coining the term “responsive design” in 2010 – which turned out to be a prescient manifesto for the quest to design beautiful, accessible, and effective digital experiences everywhere. Ethan’s also a compassionate web designer and a prolific writer. His most recent book is “You Deserve A Te…
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S12E6: Love Letter to a Garden and 20 years of Design Matters with Debbie Millman
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52:24Debbie Millman is a shapeshifting creative who does a little bit of just about everything. She is a writer, designer, educator, artist, brand consultant and host of the podcast Design Matters- which celebrates its 20th anniversary this year. Last month, Debbie also published a beautiful new book: Love Letter to a Garden. It details her journey into…
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S12E5: Redesigning the Spice Trade: Talking Turmeric and Tariffs with Diaspora Co.’s Sana Javeri Kadri
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42:36Sana Javeri Kadri is the founder of Diaspora Co., a single origin spice company that is revolutionizing the 500 year old $5 billion spice industry. Their mission is to “put money, equity and power into the best regenerative spice farms across South Asia, and bring wildly delicious, hella potent flavors into your home cooking.” In just 8 years in bu…
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Jon M. Chu is a director, producer and screenwriter. Along with both parts of the Wicked movie adaptation, he directed Crazy Rich Asians, Step Up 2 and In the Heights. In a special live episode of DB|BD, Jon joins Ellen McGirt onstage at the Great Place to Work For All Summit, which took place in Las Vegas on April 10th-12th, 2025. Jon details how …
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S12E3: The New Era of Design Leadership with Tony Bynum
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41:53Tony Bynum is bilingual. He can speak the language of both business and design, a skill that makes him a unique leader in our industry. Tony is the director of the Institute for Design’s new ID Academy, where he is also a professor of practice. Previously, he founded the Northwestern Mutual Design Thinking Center of Excellence in Milwaukee, WI wher…
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S12E2: How a "Mastercard for Pigs" is Transforming Global Farming with Tara Nathan
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31:52Tara Nathan is the EVP of Digital Solutions for Development at Mastercard and the founder of Mastercard’s Community Pass- a digital infrastructure that connects remote agricultural communities to governments, NGOs and the private sector. Community Pass currently serves 6 million farmers across India and East Africa and has an ambitious plan to reac…
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S12E1: The Future of Cities is Climate Adaptive with Michael Eliason
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31:28Welcome to the 12th season of DB|BD. This season we are Designing for the Unknown. Michael Eliason of Larch Lab is an architect, researcher, writer and urbanist based in Seattle He’s a self-described activist for dense, livable, affordable, and sustainable cities and the author of Building for People: Designing Livable, Affordable, Low-Carbon Commu…
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S11E10: Activism in AI with Google’s Ovetta Sampson
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38:24Ovetta Sampson is the Director of User Experience Machine Learning at Google. In December 2023, Business Insider named Ovetta to their AI 100, a list of the 100 most influential people working in artificial intelligence. Her inclusion on that list is a refreshing addition. Ovetta approaches her work with generative AI and machine learning as an act…
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S11E9: What’s Love Got to Do With Business with Jorge Fontanez
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51:06Jorge Fontanez is the CEO of B Lab, a non-profit network that believes business can be a force for good. B Lab is best known for certifying B Corps, companies that meet high standards of social and environmental performance and accountability. To become a B Corp, companies need to be transparently addressing things like DEI, their own climate footp…
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S11E8: Poetry is Anti Capitalist with Tracy K. Smith
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56:49Tracy K. Smith is a Pulitzer prize winning poet, professor and librettist who served as the U.S. Poet Laureate from 2017-2019. She’s published five poetry collections, two librettos and one memoir-manifesto. She is also a Professor of English and African and African American Studies at Harvard. Her most recent Libretto for the opera The Righteous i…
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S11E7: Using Design to Show the World Your Truth with Dionna Dorsey and Production Designer Olivia Peebles
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58:42In this episode of DB|BD Ellen McGirt and Jessica Helfand talk with two extraordinary women from two seemingly different corners of the design world: Dionna Dorsey and Olivia Peebles. We say “seemingly” because, while they occupy different design disciplines, they approach their work in similar ways. They are both multidisciplinary designers with t…
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S11E6: Why an Inclusive Global Economy is a Redesign Project with Mastercard’s Shamina Singh
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56:49Twenty years ago, Shamina Singh took what might seem like an unlikely leap from a decade-long career as a labor and political organizer into an executive position at one of the world’s biggest financial institutions. To Singh, this leap was a logical next step in her fight for equity and inclusion. She is now the co-founder and president of Masterc…
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S11E5: WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert on Talent, Activism, and the Business of Basketball
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58:46The WNBA is both the moment and a movement. Approximately 400,000 fans attended WNBA games during the first month of the 2024 season, the highest first month attendance in 26 years. An average of 1.32 million viewers are tuning into each game. A historic rookie class that includes Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark are bringing new eyeballs to a game th…
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S11E4: Richard Buery and Robin Hood Are Building a Coalition to Tackle Poverty in NYC
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57:20Richard Buery is the CEO of Robin Hood, New York City’s largest poverty fighting organization. It supports high-impact community organizations and partners with state and local governments to elevate New Yorkers out of poverty. In 2023 alone, Robin Hood invested $129 million in 200 carefully selected poverty fighting organizations. And New Yorkers …
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S11E3: The Healthy Materials Lab is Making Housing Healthier for Everyone
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57:37In 2015, interior designer Jonsara Ruth and architect Alison Mears received a grant to study the use of building materials in affordable housing. This grant led to the creation of the Healthy Materials Lab, a design-led research lab based out of the Parsons School of Design that raises awareness about toxins in building materials and draws attentio…
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S11E2: How Franklin Leonard is using The Black List to Redesign Hollywood
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58:29Franklin Leonard is the founder and CEO of The Black List, a platform that nurtures emerging screenwriters and gives screenplays that aren’t attached to a big producer, actor or studio a chance to be produced. Since The Black List’s founding in 2005, 440 scripts from its annual survey have been produced as feature films, grossing $30 billion in box…
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S11E1: How to Throw a Party to Change the World with Carrie Mae Weems
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56:53Carrie Mae Weems is a multidisciplinary artist. Her body of work stretches over four decades and across many mediums, but with a singular focus— depicting the reality of Black life. Weems talks about her work, her role in public life, the intersecting crises in the world, and the power of convening people through art to confront big truths. On this…
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While The Design of Business | The Business of Design is between seasons, we wanted to share with you a recent conversation we think you will find valuable. Previous DB|BD co-hosts Jessica Helfand and Ellen McGirt sat down with Design Observer podcast host and founder of Other Tomorrows, Lee Moreau and Cindy Chastain who leads customer experience a…
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Decolonizing Design: A Cultural Justice Guidebook is a guidebook to the institutional transformation of design theory and practice by restoring the long-excluded cultures of Indigenous, Black, and People of Color communities. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podc…
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Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Kunal Kapoor and Dori Tunstall. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Dr. Elizabeth “Dori” Tunstall is the Dean of the Faculty of Design at Ontario College of Art and Design. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Norman Teague and Kim Erwin. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Kim Erwin is the Director of the Equitable Healthcare Lab and Associate Professor of Practice at IIT Institute of Design. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Norman Teague is a designer and community builder who specializes in custom furniture design. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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In this month’s minisode Kaleena and Omari take a listen to past episodes featuring Richard Ting and Marcia Lausen. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Marcia Lausen is Director of the UIC School of Design and founder of the Chicago office of Studio/lab. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Richard Ting is the Vice President of Design for Revenue at Twitter. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Perrin Drumm, and Annie Atkins. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Annie Atkins is a graphic props designer for film and television. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Perrin Drumm is a writer, editor, and head of publishing at A24. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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The Design of Business | The Business of Design is taking a mid season hiatus, but new episodes will be dropping in September. In the meantime, we wanted to share a different show from Design Observer, The Futures Archive. The season finale of its second season will drop this coming Thursday, August 18th. The Futures Archive is a podcast that looks…
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On this week’s minisode, Kaleena and Omari unpack the idea of branding, being branded, and choosing your own brand. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Vernon Lockhart is the Executive Director of Project Osmosis, a Chicago based design education and mentoring initiative. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Jane Saks is the President and Artisitic Director of Project&, and the co-Founder and co-Artisitic Director of M2M: Monuments to Movements. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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On this week’s minisode, Kaleena and Omari discuss the value of bridging a diversity of broad experience to a design team. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Redefining the boundaries between people, products, and patients: Ernesto Quinteros, the Chief Design Officer at Johnson & Johnson. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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S10E0: Introducing Our New Minisodes Co-Hosts
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19:09Introducing The Design of Business | The Business of Design minisode co hosts, Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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Season ten of the The Design of Business | The Business of Design returns with new hosts Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune! To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!By Design Observer
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While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's the first episode from the new season of The Futures Archive. So what are the relationships between design and pleasure? And how can we design the most pleasurable experiences? Lee Moreau and Rachel Lehrer discuss the disco ball and the importance of embo…
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Check out the first episode of Connect 4: Design Bridges, a new show about mentorship from Design Observer and Connect 4: Networking for Equality in Design. On this episode, creative director Jonathan Jackson talks with Avalon Garrick, a design student at Mercy College. If you like what you hear, subscribe to the Connect 4: Design Bridges feed wher…
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Jessica and Ellen listen back to highlights from Season 9, and hand off hosting duties to Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune, who will be taking over in Season 10.By Design Observer
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Avery Willis Hoffman is a writer, director, producer and curator. Hoffman recently joined Brown University as the inaugural artistic director of the Brown Arts Institute.By Design Observer
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Quemuel Arroyo is the first ever chief accessibility officer at the New York Metropolitan Transit Authority.By Design Observer
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