Conversations with artists, animators, filmmakers, writers and other creatives about their careers, their craft and their creative convictions. This podcast is born out of the conviction that those in one field of arts can learn much from those in a different creative discipline. Our goal is not aspirational, it's grounded in creatives who work in their craft professionally. There are no starving artists here.
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Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Presented by Under The Radar magazine, we interview a wide variety of creative guests who share how their various interests dovetail to create a vibrant life.
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As an associate professor of music and worship and part-time worship pastor, Cliff has spent years thinking deeply about the songs that we sing together as a church during our corporate worship services. Yet, instead of being another deconstructing voice, Cliff seeks to foster thought-provoking and edifying conversations with folks who create and lead the songs we sing in corporate worship.
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DevelopLex is a podcast diving into the ins & outs of real estate development and investing here in Lexington, Kentucky. This series will feature interviews with some of Lexington's most prominent real estate developers that have played a major role in building Lexington into what it is today.
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The Value of Lament in Corporate Worship with Jon Thurlow
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29:40I’m really excited for you to listen to this month’s episode of the podcast. I’ve been trying to get Jon on since June, and we were finally able to coordinate our schedules this month. As we were talking, I kept thinking that it was so worth the wait! If you’re a worship leader, let me encourage you to follow @jonmthurlow on Instagram. Jon is a wor…
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80. Building What’s Missing: Garyen Denning of Red Draw on Market-Driven Development in Lexington and the Need for More Senior Housing
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36:25In this episode of DevelopLex, Weston and Ross sit down with Garyen Denning, partner at Red Draw Development, to explore how his team has built a reputation for identifying what Lexington’s market is missing—and creating it. From introducing Raising Cane’s to Kentucky to developing The Landrum, a new senior living community designed to meet the nee…
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Relational Worship Leadership with Keith Elgin
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40:55In this conversation, Keith emphasizes the importance of authenticity in worship leadership, the need for discipleship within worship teams, and the balance between talent and spiritual calling. Keith discusses how his personal journey has shaped his approach to ministry, highlighting the significance of focusing on Jesus rather than image, and the…
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79. How Lexington Is Planning Its Future: Inside the the Lexington Preservation and Growth Management Program with Vice Mayor Dan Wu and Councilwoman Liz Sheehan
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39:44In this episode of DevelopLex, Ross and Weston sit down with Vice Mayor Dan Wu and Councilwoman Liz Sheehan at Lexington Council Chambers to unpack the Lexington Preservation & Growth Management Program (LPGMP) - a landmark policy initiative shaping how our city grows, preserves, and evolves over the next 20 years. Together, they explore the critic…
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78. Beauty in the Built Environment: Jon Carloftis on Garden Design, Restoration, and the Spirit of Kentucky
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42:43In this episode of DevelopLex, Weston and Ross sit down with legendary garden designer Jon Carloftis at his restored downtown Lexington home - known locally as “The Botherum”. From humble roots in Eastern Kentucky to designing rooftop gardens in New York City, Jon shares his journey of passion, intuition, and preservation and the importance of beau…
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77. Retail That Sticks: Kyle & Tom Jameson on Creating Successful Shopping Centers w Compass Capital
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53:01In this episode of DevelopLex, Weston and Ross sit down with the father-son duo behind Compass Capital - Tom and Kyle Jameson - for a deep dive into Lexington-based retail real estate. From buying Lexington Green out of receivership at a 12-cap to running a successful campaign to legalize alcohol sales in Jessamine County (yes, really), the Jameson…
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Creative and Intentional Worship Planning Using AI with Adam Stinespring
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36:10This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Adam Stinespring, worship leader, realtor, and designer of CreativeWorshipFlow.com, a worship planning tool using AI to assist worship leaders in putting together intentional times of worship for their congregations. I’ve known Adam for about 7 years, first as a music and worship student at Liberty …
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As I was finishing up my doctoral studies in worship a couple of years ago, I came across a book called “The Greatest Worship Leader,” by author and worship pastor at Mercy Hill Church in North Carolina, Jon Azzarello. I loved the book so much that I began to follow Jon on Instagram. His carousels with tidbits of encouragement for worship leaders w…
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76. Knee-Deep in Town Branch: Ross & Weston Wade Through Where Lexington Began and Where It’s Going
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54:48In this episode of DevelopLex, we go creekside with hosts Ross Boggess and Weston Lockhart at Town Branch Creek, the literal birthplace of Lexington, to talk about where the city began and where it’s going. What starts as a reflection on Lexington’s founding waterway flows into a wide-ranging conversation about real estate, infrastructure, populati…
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75. Why Lexington SC Is More Than Soccer: Steven Dawahare on a Playbook for Community-Driven Development
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44:22In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Stephen Dawahare, longtime Lexington entrepreneur and real estate developer, to talk about the bold vision behind Lexington SC and how it’s become one of the most impactful developments in Central Kentucky. What started as a soccer project has grown into a $100M+ privately funded ecosystem on Lexingto…
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Important Questions to Ask When Choosing Songs for Coprorate Worship with Dalton Shaffer
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31:16This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Dalton Shaffer, Music Ministry and Liturgy Director at Candeo church in Cedar Falls, Iowa. I’ve followed Dalton for a while on Instagram, and his inspiration for worship leaders is always ROCK solid. A few weeks ago, he had a post titled “Stop Singing this song in your church,” and it got my attenti…
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74. Donald Miller, Ben Shaffer, Carter Bishop, & David Dean: Making Gatton Park a Reality
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29:10In this episode, we partnered with Downtown Lexington Partnership to host another Downtown Deep Dive, presented by Dean Builds. This time, with the visionaries behind Gatton Park on the Town Branch - Lexington’s most ambitious public space project to date. Recorded overlooking the park’s soon-to-be-unveiled amphitheater, this conversation dives int…
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73. Rebecca Burnworth on Airbnb Economics, Adaptive Reuse, and Lexington’s Dining Renaissance
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57:18In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Rebecca Burnworth - architect, code-wrangler, and the visionary force behind The Stave and District 7. From navigating building permits with tenacity to breathing new life into Kentucky’s bourbon-country landmarks, Rebecca delivers an insider’s look at how design thinking, culinary creativity, and dee…
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AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 2
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24:47My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship le…
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72. Lessons from Madison: Recapping Commerce Lexington's Leadership Visit
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34:18This special episode of DevelopLex was created in partnership with Commerce Lexington to capture the biggest takeaways from the 2025 Leadership Visit to Madison, Wisconsin - and bring them home to Lexington. Every year, Commerce Lexington organizes one of the largest and longest-running intercity leadership trips in the country. Presented by Centra…
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71. Burgess Carey on Ecotourism, Flex Space, and Why Lexington Needs Creative Developers
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46:37In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Burgess Carey, a multi-generational Lexingtonian, developer, and visionary behind some of Central Kentucky’s most forward-thinking real estate and recreation projects. From pioneering self-storage development to reclaiming a forgotten gorge to launch Boone Creek Outdoors, Burgess shares a rare blend o…
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AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 1
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24:23My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship le…
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70. Dallas Rose on Mileta, Midland Station, and the Making of a Modern Lexington
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42:23In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Dallas Rose, a Lexington native whose bold approach to real estate and hospitality is helping redefine what’s possible for the city. From launching Mileta, one of Lexington’s most ambitious new restaurants, to co-developing Midland Station, a transformative downtown housing project, Dallas shares his …
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69. Building for Impact: President Eli Capilouto on the Evolution of UK and Lexington
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34:21In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Dr. Eli Capilouto, the 12th President of the University of Kentucky, to explore how UK’s campus transformation is more than bricks and mortar — it's a purpose-driven mission to advance Kentucky’s future. Since taking office in 2011, Dr. Capilouto has overseen more than $7 billion in campus development…
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Worship Song Contextualization with Dr. Ryan Loche of the Church Collective
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28:32My guest on this month's episode was long overdue! I got a chance to talk with Dr. Ryan Loche, the co-founder of The Church Collective https://www.instagram.com/thechurchcollective/. If you’re unfamiliar with this non-profit that encourages and resources worship leaders, you need to check it out on Instagram. I’ve known Dr. Loche for about 10 years…
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68. From Racehorses to Real Estate: Price Bell’s Vision for a Better Lexington
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1:01:10In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Price Bell, a lifelong Lexingtonian, thoroughbred farm operator, and passionate community builder. From managing his family's historic Mill Ridge Farm to leading neighborhood redevelopment efforts in North Limestone, Price brings a unique lens to the intersection of land, legacy, and leadership. We di…
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67. Clay Waller on Spotting Hidden Opportunities in Real Estate and the Challenges of Development in Lexington
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52:30In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Clay Waller, a Lexington-based real estate investor and developer, to talk about his journey into the industry - one that started with a trial by fire. When his grandfather suddenly handed him the reins to a struggling business, Clay had to learn fast. Today, he’s built a thriving portfolio spanning r…
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66. Kathryn Kaufman and David Dean: The Vision to Revitalize 325 West Main Street
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29:47In this episode, we partnered with Downtown Lexington Partnership to host a live panel discussion at 325 West Main, formerly known as the Festival Marketplace. Joined by visionary Katie Kaufman and the general contractor on the project, David Dean, we discuss the redevelopment of this historic Lexington property. Kaufman, a former U.S. Defense poli…
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Colossians 3:16 - An Biblical Guide to Corporate Worship with Spencer Cormany from Leading Worship Well
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27:13Colossians 3:16 not only guides the Church in WHY we should sing but WHAT we should be singing and WHY we should be singing it.By Cliff Lambert
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65. Didi Caldwell and Jeff Bischoff: Inside the World of Site Selection and Economic Development
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42:37In this episode, Ross and Weston sit down with Didi Caldwell and Jeff Bischoff during the Commerce Lexington Regional Summit. Didi Caldwell is the President and CEO of Global Location Strategies, a leading site selection and incentive negotiation firms for manufacturing and industrial companies. Jeff Bischoff is the Chief Sales Officer as Gray Cons…
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64. Weston, Ross, and Logan Jones Kickoff Season 5
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39:24We are back for season 5! We’ve spent the off season hard at work and have some fun updates to share, along with some exciting news from the team. Today, we welcome Logan Jones onto the podcast. You might know Logan from Middle Tech - our sister brand - but recently, Logan has decided to go full time to help us grow both brands. We’re incredibly ex…
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On this month’s episode, I bring back former guest, Justin Kintzel. While I’ve known Justin for a while through our connections at Liberty University and a quick coffee shop chat a couple of years ago, this will be my first time interviewing him. Justin has written several songs for corporate worship and currently serves as the worship pastor of Gr…
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63. Ted Abernathy on Economic Insights and Regional Growth
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20:51In this episode, we sit down with Ted Abernathy at the Hyatt downtown during the Central Kentucky regional summit. Ted, the managing partner of a consultancy based in North Carolina, discusses economic forecasts for Kentucky's nine regions and dives deep into local Lexington. He shares insights on economic strategies, labor force dynamics, and regi…
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How are we Discipling our Congregations in the Songs we Choose for Corporate Worship?
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38:47Joel and I discuss giving our congregations more than just a musically emotional experience but facilitating opportunities for them to both proclaim and ingest lasting Truth. Such a rich episode!By Cliff Lambert
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62. Landry Fields on How Insurance and Real Estate Collide
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51:02Landry is the owner and CEO of Nova Insurance Group an independent insurance agency specializing in commercial property, franchises and businesses with 20+employees. He grew up in Central KY and currently lives in Versailles with his wife and 3 kids. He began investing in real estate multi family units and apartments due to the connections and insi…
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Don’t mind the birds chirping in the background… Ross and Weston chose to record this episode on the Urban Service Boundary Line. In this episode, they covered takeaways and guest quotes for the season best third places in Lexington what do you miss about Lexington why this setting for this episode? We have a fun next few episodes coming up to end …
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Brett Perkins Shares Some Guidelines for Choosing and Writing Songs for Corporate Worship
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25:59This is part 2 of my conversation with Brett Perkins, worship pastor at The Journey Church in Lebanon, TN. In this episode, Brett shares how they choose songs for corporate worship and even some of the things Journey Worship Co. processes as they write songs for the Church. So good!By Cliff Lambert
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60. Griff Van Meter: Creative Force Behind the Bluegrass
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1:05:02In this episode, Weston sits down with Griffin Vanmeter, a creative force behind some of Lexington's most iconic projects, including Kentucky for Kentucky and the Night Market. Griff shares his passion for bringing joy and weirdness to every idea, and we delve into his background, from his early days to his current endeavors. We discuss the importa…
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59. Jim Gray on Building a Great American City
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40:04In this episode, we have an enlightening conversation with Jim Gray, Secretary of Transportation for Kentucky and former mayor of Lexington. Jim shares his personal journey from growing up in Glasgow, Kentucky, to rising through the ranks in public service. He reflects on his vision for Lexington, including transformative projects like the Town Bra…
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The Motivation Behind Opening Doors with Brett Perkins
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25:08My conversation with Brett wasn't planned but it was SO good I had to hit record. In this episode, we discuss God's leading and how we discern the motivation behind stepping into opportunities the Lord places before us as those who lead people in musical corporate worship.By Cliff Lambert
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58. DevelopLex Live with Chad Walker and Chad Needham
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37:15In this live event episode of Develop Lex, hosts engage in a dynamic conversation with infill developers Chad Walker and Chad Needham. The event, held at Eppings, explores key urban development challenges and opportunities in Lexington. The discussion covers zoning issues, unique project experiences, and the importance of infill development in revi…
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57. Mitch Barnhart on the Evolution of UK Athletics and Lexington's Growth
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42:21In this episode, we have an exciting interview with Mitch Barnhart, Athletics Director at the University of Kentucky. Mitch discusses his journey to Lexington and the significant changes the city and the university have undergone over the years. He delves into the transformation of UK's athletic facilities, the impact of sports business, and the im…
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56. Clarence Cundiff on Understanding Real Estate Value
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39:44In this episode, we sat down with Clarence Cundiff, a seasoned real estate investor and appraiser. Clarence shares his unique journey into real estate, his extensive experience with appraisals, and his investments in commercial properties. Dive into the nuances of property valuation, the challenges and opportunities in the Lexington real estate mar…
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55. Doug Gibson on the Evolution of Lexington: From Real Estate to Industry Giants
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54:15In this episode, we welcome Doug Gibson, a distinguished member of the Gibson Company and a pivotal figure in the development of Lexington, Kentucky. Doug shares his extensive experience as a commercial realtor, discussing his involvement in the city’s organized real estate activities and major developments like the IBM and Toyota plants. He emphas…
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The Role of Emotions in Corporate Worship with Pastor Kevin Haglund
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37:27A great conversation with Pastor Kevin Haglund on his research regarding the role of emotions in corporate worship.By Joel Arcieri
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54. Luther Deaton on the 30 year Landscape of Lexington
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46:28In this episode of DevelopLex, we welcome Luther Deaton, the chairman, president, and CEO of Central Bank, to share his incredible journey from humble beginnings in Breathitt County to becoming a prominent business leader in Lexington, Kentucky. Luther discusses his early life, entry into the banking industry, and his profound impact on the communi…
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53. DevelopLex Roundtable with Weston and Ross
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33:22In this episode of DevelopLex, hosts Ross and Weston hold a round table discussion touching on various topics related to real estate in Lexington. The importance of mentorship in the real estate industry The need for more formalized real estate programs at the University of Kentucky Benefits of promoting open conversations and problem-solving over …
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Welcome or welcome back! My name is Cliff, and I'm the new Theology of Music podcast host. I'm excited to get to know you as we have discussions around the theology of the music we use in corporate worship settings. Dr. Miller and I will discuss corporate worship's vertical and horizontal aspects in this episode.…
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52. Ameet Patel on Hotel Development and Retail Franchising
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46:42Ameet is the Founder and Managing Partner of Thoroughbred Hospitality Group. Since its inception in 2018, THG has grown to build, own and operate over 13 hotels and 6 F&B outlets across Kentucky and Tennessee, employing over 250 employees to date.In the greater Lexington area - Ameet and the THG team are more famously known for bringing all 3 Crumb…
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51. Building a Powerhouse Company from the Bluegrass - Bluegrass Hospitality Group
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59:04This week we were thrilled to welcome on the founders of Bluegrass Hospitality Group, Bruce Drake and Brian McCarty Bluegrass Hospitality Group consists of Malones, Drakes, Harry’s, and OBC Kitchen and has scaled into a powerhouse restaurant brand across the Southeast, all run from Lexington, KY where the founders are vital members of the community…
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50. Wes Murry on Shaping Communities Through Investment
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56:31In this episode, we sit down with Wes Murry, an entrepreneur and investor known for his strategic involvement in diverse ventures across Lexington and beyond. Wes discusses his move from Lancaster to Lexington, his initiation into the hedge fund world, and his extensive experience in real estate development. He also shares insights into his approac…
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49. Mike Hynes on addressing Affordable Housing
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47:53On this weeks episode, we were stoked to welcome on Mike Hynes, President and CEO of Winterwood. Winterwood Development, part of a family-owned business that has been serving families for over 40 years, is committed to developing high-quality housing throughout our region. The offer a variety of services but where we spent most of our time on in th…
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48. Daren Turner on his massive infill redevelopment project in Lexington, The Commons
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54:57Daren Turner is a seasoned entrepreneur and CEO whose roots are firmly planted in Lexington, Kentucky. His 27 years of marriage to Kirsten and their three children, Seth, Hadley, and Luke, reflect his commitment to family and community ties in his hometown. Transitioning into leadership roles at Amteck in 1992, Daren rapidly absorbed the business s…
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47. David O’Neill on Property Valuation and Lexington Market Commentary
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51:48David O’Neill was appointed Fayette County Property Valuation Administrator by Governor Steve Beshear on February 11, 2009, and overwhelmingly elected to full four-year terms in 2010, and subsequently re-elected in 2014, 2018 and 2022.Because of David’s expansive knowledge on the value of real estate in Lexington, we were able to spend a significan…
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46. Dow Porter on the ins and outs of Environmental as it relates to CRE
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50:04Dow Porter currently serves as the President and Managing Principal of Shield Environmental and brought a perspective of a vendor in Commercial Real Estate, assisting commercial real estate principals on the Environmental process. Dow manages the Assessment and Remediation Group and over the course of his career, he has assisted many industrial fac…
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