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Conversations with artists, animators, filmmakers, writers and other creatives about their careers, their craft and their creative convictions. This podcast is born out of the conviction that those in one field of arts can learn much from those in a different creative discipline. Our goal is not aspirational, it's grounded in creatives who work in their craft professionally. There are no starving artists here.
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Why Not Both

Pam Shaffer

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Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Presented by Under The Radar magazine, we interview a wide variety of creative guests who share how their various interests dovetail to create a vibrant life.
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Theology of Music

Cliff Lambert

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As an associate professor of music and worship and part-time worship pastor, Cliff has spent years thinking deeply about the songs that we sing together as a church during our corporate worship services. Yet, instead of being another deconstructing voice, Cliff seeks to foster thought-provoking and edifying conversations with folks who create and lead the songs we sing in corporate worship.
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DevelopLex

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DevelopLex is a podcast diving into the ins & outs of real estate development and investing here in Lexington, Kentucky. This series will feature interviews with some of Lexington's most prominent real estate developers that have played a major role in building Lexington into what it is today.
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I’m really excited for you to listen to this month’s episode of the podcast. I’ve been trying to get Jon on since June, and we were finally able to coordinate our schedules this month. As we were talking, I kept thinking that it was so worth the wait! If you’re a worship leader, let me encourage you to follow @jonmthurlow on Instagram. Jon is a wor…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, Weston and Ross sit down with Garyen Denning, partner at Red Draw Development, to explore how his team has built a reputation for identifying what Lexington’s market is missing—and creating it. From introducing Raising Cane’s to Kentucky to developing The Landrum, a new senior living community designed to meet the nee…
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In this conversation, Keith emphasizes the importance of authenticity in worship leadership, the need for discipleship within worship teams, and the balance between talent and spiritual calling. Keith discusses how his personal journey has shaped his approach to ministry, highlighting the significance of focusing on Jesus rather than image, and the…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, Ross and Weston sit down with Vice Mayor Dan Wu and Councilwoman Liz Sheehan at Lexington Council Chambers to unpack the Lexington Preservation & Growth Management Program (LPGMP) - a landmark policy initiative shaping how our city grows, preserves, and evolves over the next 20 years. Together, they explore the critic…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, Weston and Ross sit down with legendary garden designer Jon Carloftis at his restored downtown Lexington home - known locally as “The Botherum”. From humble roots in Eastern Kentucky to designing rooftop gardens in New York City, Jon shares his journey of passion, intuition, and preservation and the importance of beau…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, Weston and Ross sit down with the father-son duo behind Compass Capital - Tom and Kyle Jameson - for a deep dive into Lexington-based retail real estate. From buying Lexington Green out of receivership at a 12-cap to running a successful campaign to legalize alcohol sales in Jessamine County (yes, really), the Jameson…
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This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Adam Stinespring, worship leader, realtor, and designer of CreativeWorshipFlow.com, a worship planning tool using AI to assist worship leaders in putting together intentional times of worship for their congregations. I’ve known Adam for about 7 years, first as a music and worship student at Liberty …
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As I was finishing up my doctoral studies in worship a couple of years ago, I came across a book called “The Greatest Worship Leader,” by author and worship pastor at Mercy Hill Church in North Carolina, Jon Azzarello. I loved the book so much that I began to follow Jon on Instagram. His carousels with tidbits of encouragement for worship leaders w…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we go creekside with hosts Ross Boggess and Weston Lockhart at Town Branch Creek, the literal birthplace of Lexington, to talk about where the city began and where it’s going. What starts as a reflection on Lexington’s founding waterway flows into a wide-ranging conversation about real estate, infrastructure, populati…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Stephen Dawahare, longtime Lexington entrepreneur and real estate developer, to talk about the bold vision behind Lexington SC and how it’s become one of the most impactful developments in Central Kentucky. What started as a soccer project has grown into a $100M+ privately funded ecosystem on Lexingto…
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This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Dalton Shaffer, Music Ministry and Liturgy Director at Candeo church in Cedar Falls, Iowa. I’ve followed Dalton for a while on Instagram, and his inspiration for worship leaders is always ROCK solid. A few weeks ago, he had a post titled “Stop Singing this song in your church,” and it got my attenti…
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In this episode, we partnered with Downtown Lexington Partnership to host another Downtown Deep Dive, presented by Dean Builds. This time, with the visionaries behind Gatton Park on the Town Branch - Lexington’s most ambitious public space project to date. Recorded overlooking the park’s soon-to-be-unveiled amphitheater, this conversation dives int…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Rebecca Burnworth - architect, code-wrangler, and the visionary force behind The Stave and District 7. From navigating building permits with tenacity to breathing new life into Kentucky’s bourbon-country landmarks, Rebecca delivers an insider’s look at how design thinking, culinary creativity, and dee…
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My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship le…
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This special episode of DevelopLex was created in partnership with Commerce Lexington to capture the biggest takeaways from the 2025 Leadership Visit to Madison, Wisconsin - and bring them home to Lexington. Every year, Commerce Lexington organizes one of the largest and longest-running intercity leadership trips in the country. Presented by Centra…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Burgess Carey, a multi-generational Lexingtonian, developer, and visionary behind some of Central Kentucky’s most forward-thinking real estate and recreation projects. From pioneering self-storage development to reclaiming a forgotten gorge to launch Boone Creek Outdoors, Burgess shares a rare blend o…
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My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship le…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Dallas Rose, a Lexington native whose bold approach to real estate and hospitality is helping redefine what’s possible for the city. From launching Mileta, one of Lexington’s most ambitious new restaurants, to co-developing Midland Station, a transformative downtown housing project, Dallas shares his …
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Dr. Eli Capilouto, the 12th President of the University of Kentucky, to explore how UK’s campus transformation is more than bricks and mortar — it's a purpose-driven mission to advance Kentucky’s future. Since taking office in 2011, Dr. Capilouto has overseen more than $7 billion in campus development…
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My guest on this month's episode was long overdue! I got a chance to talk with Dr. Ryan Loche, the co-founder of The Church Collective https://www.instagram.com/thechurchcollective/. If you’re unfamiliar with this non-profit that encourages and resources worship leaders, you need to check it out on Instagram. I’ve known Dr. Loche for about 10 years…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Price Bell, a lifelong Lexingtonian, thoroughbred farm operator, and passionate community builder. From managing his family's historic Mill Ridge Farm to leading neighborhood redevelopment efforts in North Limestone, Price brings a unique lens to the intersection of land, legacy, and leadership. We di…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we sit down with Clay Waller, a Lexington-based real estate investor and developer, to talk about his journey into the industry - one that started with a trial by fire. When his grandfather suddenly handed him the reins to a struggling business, Clay had to learn fast. Today, he’s built a thriving portfolio spanning r…
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In this episode, we partnered with Downtown Lexington Partnership to host a live panel discussion at 325 West Main, formerly known as the Festival Marketplace. Joined by visionary Katie Kaufman and the general contractor on the project, David Dean, we discuss the redevelopment of this historic Lexington property. Kaufman, a former U.S. Defense poli…
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In this episode, Ross and Weston sit down with Didi Caldwell and Jeff Bischoff during the Commerce Lexington Regional Summit. Didi Caldwell is the President and CEO of Global Location Strategies, a leading site selection and incentive negotiation firms for manufacturing and industrial companies. Jeff Bischoff is the Chief Sales Officer as Gray Cons…
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We are back for season 5! We’ve spent the off season hard at work and have some fun updates to share, along with some exciting news from the team. Today, we welcome Logan Jones onto the podcast. You might know Logan from Middle Tech - our sister brand - but recently, Logan has decided to go full time to help us grow both brands. We’re incredibly ex…
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On this month’s episode, I bring back former guest, Justin Kintzel. While I’ve known Justin for a while through our connections at Liberty University and a quick coffee shop chat a couple of years ago, this will be my first time interviewing him. Justin has written several songs for corporate worship and currently serves as the worship pastor of Gr…
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In this episode, we sit down with Ted Abernathy at the Hyatt downtown during the Central Kentucky regional summit. Ted, the managing partner of a consultancy based in North Carolina, discusses economic forecasts for Kentucky's nine regions and dives deep into local Lexington. He shares insights on economic strategies, labor force dynamics, and regi…
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Landry is the owner and CEO of Nova Insurance Group an independent insurance agency specializing in commercial property, franchises and businesses with 20+employees. He grew up in Central KY and currently lives in Versailles with his wife and 3 kids. He began investing in real estate multi family units and apartments due to the connections and insi…
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Don’t mind the birds chirping in the background… Ross and Weston chose to record this episode on the Urban Service Boundary Line. In this episode, they covered takeaways and guest quotes for the season best third places in Lexington what do you miss about Lexington why this setting for this episode? We have a fun next few episodes coming up to end …
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This is part 2 of my conversation with Brett Perkins, worship pastor at The Journey Church in Lebanon, TN. In this episode, Brett shares how they choose songs for corporate worship and even some of the things Journey Worship Co. processes as they write songs for the Church. So good!By Cliff Lambert
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In this episode, Weston sits down with Griffin Vanmeter, a creative force behind some of Lexington's most iconic projects, including Kentucky for Kentucky and the Night Market. Griff shares his passion for bringing joy and weirdness to every idea, and we delve into his background, from his early days to his current endeavors. We discuss the importa…
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In this episode, we have an enlightening conversation with Jim Gray, Secretary of Transportation for Kentucky and former mayor of Lexington. Jim shares his personal journey from growing up in Glasgow, Kentucky, to rising through the ranks in public service. He reflects on his vision for Lexington, including transformative projects like the Town Bra…
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In this live event episode of Develop Lex, hosts engage in a dynamic conversation with infill developers Chad Walker and Chad Needham. The event, held at Eppings, explores key urban development challenges and opportunities in Lexington. The discussion covers zoning issues, unique project experiences, and the importance of infill development in revi…
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In this episode, we have an exciting interview with Mitch Barnhart, Athletics Director at the University of Kentucky. Mitch discusses his journey to Lexington and the significant changes the city and the university have undergone over the years. He delves into the transformation of UK's athletic facilities, the impact of sports business, and the im…
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In this episode, we sat down with Clarence Cundiff, a seasoned real estate investor and appraiser. Clarence shares his unique journey into real estate, his extensive experience with appraisals, and his investments in commercial properties. Dive into the nuances of property valuation, the challenges and opportunities in the Lexington real estate mar…
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In this episode, we welcome Doug Gibson, a distinguished member of the Gibson Company and a pivotal figure in the development of Lexington, Kentucky. Doug shares his extensive experience as a commercial realtor, discussing his involvement in the city’s organized real estate activities and major developments like the IBM and Toyota plants. He emphas…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, we welcome Luther Deaton, the chairman, president, and CEO of Central Bank, to share his incredible journey from humble beginnings in Breathitt County to becoming a prominent business leader in Lexington, Kentucky. Luther discusses his early life, entry into the banking industry, and his profound impact on the communi…
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In this episode of DevelopLex, hosts Ross and Weston hold a round table discussion touching on various topics related to real estate in Lexington. The importance of mentorship in the real estate industry The need for more formalized real estate programs at the University of Kentucky Benefits of promoting open conversations and problem-solving over …
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Ameet is the Founder and Managing Partner of Thoroughbred Hospitality Group. Since its inception in 2018, THG has grown to build, own and operate over 13 hotels and 6 F&B outlets across Kentucky and Tennessee, employing over 250 employees to date.In the greater Lexington area - Ameet and the THG team are more famously known for bringing all 3 Crumb…
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This week we were thrilled to welcome on the founders of Bluegrass Hospitality Group, Bruce Drake and Brian McCarty Bluegrass Hospitality Group consists of Malones, Drakes, Harry’s, and OBC Kitchen and has scaled into a powerhouse restaurant brand across the Southeast, all run from Lexington, KY where the founders are vital members of the community…
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In this episode, we sit down with Wes Murry, an entrepreneur and investor known for his strategic involvement in diverse ventures across Lexington and beyond. Wes discusses his move from Lancaster to Lexington, his initiation into the hedge fund world, and his extensive experience in real estate development. He also shares insights into his approac…
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On this weeks episode, we were stoked to welcome on Mike Hynes, President and CEO of Winterwood. Winterwood Development, part of a family-owned business that has been serving families for over 40 years, is committed to developing high-quality housing throughout our region. The offer a variety of services but where we spent most of our time on in th…
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Daren Turner is a seasoned entrepreneur and CEO whose roots are firmly planted in Lexington, Kentucky. His 27 years of marriage to Kirsten and their three children, Seth, Hadley, and Luke, reflect his commitment to family and community ties in his hometown. Transitioning into leadership roles at Amteck in 1992, Daren rapidly absorbed the business s…
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David O’Neill was appointed Fayette County Property Valuation Administrator by Governor Steve Beshear on February 11, 2009, and overwhelmingly elected to full four-year terms in 2010, and subsequently re-elected in 2014, 2018 and 2022.Because of David’s expansive knowledge on the value of real estate in Lexington, we were able to spend a significan…
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Dow Porter currently serves as the President and Managing Principal of Shield Environmental and brought a perspective of a vendor in Commercial Real Estate, assisting commercial real estate principals on the Environmental process. Dow manages the Assessment and Remediation Group and over the course of his career, he has assisted many industrial fac…
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