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The daily cybersecurity news and analysis industry leaders depend on. Published each weekday, the program also includes interviews with a wide spectrum of experts from industry, academia, and research organizations all over the world.
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National security, unlocked. Each Thursday, host Mary Louise Kelly and a team of NPR correspondents discuss the biggest national security news of the week. With decades of reporting from battlefields and the halls of power, they bring you inside the Pentagon, State Department, and intelligence community to help you understand America's shifting role in the world, and how events in faraway places matter here at home. Additional episodes feature interviews with power players from the NatSec wo ...
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Security Weekly Podcast Network (Audio)

Security Weekly Productions

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Welcome to the Security Weekly Podcast Network, your all-in-one source for the latest in cybersecurity! This feed features a diverse lineup of shows, including Application Security Weekly, Business Security Weekly, Paul's Security Weekly, Enterprise Security Weekly, and Security Weekly News. Whether you're a cybersecurity professional, business leader, or tech enthusiast, we cover all angles of the cybersecurity landscape. Tune in for in-depth panel discussions, expert guest interviews, and ...
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The Azure Security Podcast

Michael Howard, Sarah Young, Gladys Rodriguez and Mark Simos

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A twice-monthly podcast dedicated to all things relating to Security, Privacy, Compliance and Reliability on the Microsoft Cloud Platform. Hosted by Microsoft security experts, Michael Howard, Sarah Young, Gladys Rodriguez and Mark Simos. https://aka.ms/azsecpod ©2020-2025 Michael Howard, Sarah Young, Gladys Rodriquez, and Mark Simos.
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The Wargame

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Russia knows our weaknesses. But do you? A major five-part series from Sky News and Tortoise which imagines how a Russian attack on the UK could play out – and invites real-life former ministers, military chiefs and other experts to figure out how to defend the country. Written and presented by Sky News' security and defence editor, Deborah Haynes.This is Deborah's second podcast series for Sky News. In her first series, Into The Grey Zone, Deborah explores the murky evolution of warfare.Wha ...
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The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Institute

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The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfareblog.com. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Security Management Highlights brings the security professional expert interviews and information on the most critical industry topics. Join host Brendan Howard as he interviews thought leaders and industry professionals, as well as editors from the magazine.
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The Application Security Podcast

Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut

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Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut dig into the tips, tricks, projects, and tactics that make various application security professionals successful. They cover all facets of application security, from threat modeling and OWASP to DevOps+security and security champions. They approach these stories in an educational light, explaining the details in a way those new to the discipline can understand. Chris Romeo is the CEO of Devici and a General Partner at Kerr Ventures, and Robert Hurlbut is a Prin ...
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Welcome to Cybersecurity Sense, the podcast where real-world security meets practical insights. Hosted by LBMC's Mark Burnette, this show goes beyond compliance checklists to explore the fast-moving world of cybersecurity.
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Cybersecurity guru Steve Gibson joins Leo Laporte every Tuesday. Steve and Leo break down the latest cybercrime and hacking stories, offering a deep understanding of what's happening and how to protect yourself and your business. Security Now is a must listen for security professionals every week. Records live every Tuesday at 4:30pm Eastern / 1:30pm Pacific / 21:30 UTC.
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On Mondays, Jon Stewart hosts The Daily Show, but on Thursdays, he's back in your ears with The Weekly Show -- a podcast featuring in-depth conversations with a range of special guests. From experts and advocates, to stakeholders and thought leaders, we discuss the challenges, changes, and ideas that are shaping our world.
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Security DNA

Endeavor Business Media

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Security DNA is a podcast brought to you by SecurityInfoWatch.com, covering subjects of interest to security stakeholders in the industry. Topics range from security industry news, trends and analysis to technology solutions, policy risk analysis and management, and more. Our editorial team, along with industry experts and consultants, fill each podcast episode with information that is of value to security professionals.
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CNA's experts understand today's complex and dynamic national security environments. On CNA Talks, you'll find analysis of globe-shaping conflicts, foreign policy and shifting alliances, regional breakdowns, pandemics and other health crises, environmental disasters, homeland security concerns, and the future of strategic competition. Follow CNA Talks to go behind the headlines and learn from data-driven, objective, discussions on the factors shaping today's national security landscape.
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Socializing Security

Socializing Security

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A podcast that socializes security, compliance, and related topics to make them more approachable and understandable. Each week we’ll discuss a topic, usually with an expert in the area, with the goal of learning along with you. We’re here to socialize security!
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Experts Speak

Michael DeLon

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Listen in as Michael DeLon, founder of Paperback Expert, speaks with business professionals in various industries about what makes them the true expert in their field.
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Stay informed with Just Security: Out Loud. A selection of our written content, delivered daily, in a clear, automated voice for easy listening on the go. Each weekday, we bring you the Early Edition—your trusted, curated guide to the most important news and developments in national security, law, and global affairs over the past 24 hours. Plus, listen to select articles from Just Security’s expert authors. Whether you’re catching up on headlines or diving deeper into critical analysis, Just ...
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Shared Security Podcast

Tom Eston, Scott Wright, Kevin Johnson

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Shared Security is your premier cybersecurity and privacy podcast where we explore the bonds shared between people and technology. Join industry experts Tom Eston, Scott Wright, and Kevin Johnson as they deliver the latest news, actionable tips, expert guidance, and insightful interviews with top cybersecurity and privacy specialists. Stay informed and take control of your online security and privacy in today’s interconnected world. Tune in every week to discover invaluable insights, strateg ...
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Brought to you by IT Audit Labs. Trusted cyber security experts and their guests discuss common security threats, threat actor techniques and other industry topics. IT Audit Labs provides organizations with the leverage of a network of partners and specialists suited for your needs. ​ We are experts at assessing security risk and compliance, while providing administrative and technical controls to improve our clients’ data security. Our threat assessments find the soft spots before the bad g ...
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Cybersecurity guru Steve Gibson joins Leo Laporte every Tuesday. Steve and Leo break down the latest cybercrime and hacking stories, offering a deep understanding of what's happening and how to protect yourself and your business. Security Now is a must listen for security professionals every week. Records live every Tuesday at 4:30pm Eastern / 1:30pm Pacific / 21:30 UTC.
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Engaging Experts

Round Table Group

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After 25 years helping litigators find the right expert witnesses, Round Table Group’s network contains some of the world’s greatest experts. On this podcast, we talk to some of them about what’s new in their field of study and their experience as expert witnesses.
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WAR ROOM: Pandemic is the first and most comprehensive program to bring the most up to the minute information on the news of the day. Stephen K. Bannon brings medical experts, politicians, business leaders, and those on the front lines for a comprehensive look at the latest news from all and provide their insider insights.
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Threats, Beers, and No Silver Bullets. Listen to Talos security experts as they bring their hot takes on current security topics and Talos research to the table. Along the way, Mitch, Matt and a rotating chair of special guests will talk about anything (and we mean anything) that's on their minds, from the latest YouTube trends to Olympic curling etiquette. New episodes every other Thursday.
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The Security Circle

Yolanda Hamblen (Yoyo)

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An IFPOD production for IFPO the very first security podcast called Security Circle. IFPO is the International Foundation for Protection Officers, and is an international security membership body that supports front line security professionals with learning and development, mental Health and wellbeing initiatives.
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Unspoken Security

Unspoken Security

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Unspoken Security is a raw and gritty podcast for security professionals who are looking to understand the most important issues related to making the world a safer place, including intelligence-driven security, risks and threats in the digital and physical world, and discussions related to corporate culture, leadership, and how world events impact all of us on and off our keyboards. In each episode, host AJ Nash engages with a range of industry experts to dissect current trends, share pract ...
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Security Done Different is a cybersecurity podcast hosted by CloudGuard experts, featuring conversations with leading industry professionals. In each episode, our team of specialists speaks with cybersecurity thought leaders and innovators to explore strategies, emerging threats and practical solutions.
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Citation Needed

Citation Needed Media

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The podcast where we choose a subject, read a single Wikipedia article about it, and pretend we're experts. Because this is the internet, and that's how it works now.
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Twenty-Four Hour Expert is a podcast for anyone who likes learning about different topics or enjoys fun facts. Each week, Ali and Ami will become an “expert” on a random topic in just 24 hours. Come find out what we learn!
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DIY Cyber Guy

David W. Schropfer

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DIY Cyber Guy, hosted by David W. Schropfer, offers a approachable exploration of cybersecurity, emerging technologies (like AI and Quantum Computing) for all knowledge levels. Through dynamic podcasts, expert interviews, and engaging blog posts, DIY Cyber Guy provides practical, easy-to-apply tips to stay ahead of tech trends and protect your digital world. Whether you're curious about cutting-edge tech or looking to secure your online life, DIY Cyber Guy makes complex topics both fun and a ...
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Technology and Security

Dr Miah Hammond-Errey

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Technology and Security (TS) explores the intersections of emerging technologies and security. It is hosted by Dr Miah Hammond-Errey. Each month, experts in technology and security join Miah to discuss pressing issues, policy debates, international developments, and share leadership and career advice. https://miahhe.com/about-ts | https://stratfutures.com
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Security Dilemma

The John Quincy Adams Society

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U.S. foreign policy for the future. Security Dilemma brings you conversations with the experts, policymakers, and thinkers charting new paths forward from the wreckage of recent decades and toward a national security and defense policy guided by prudence and restraint. Cohosts John Allen Gay and A.J. Manuzzi bring you the information you need to shape a wiser approach. Security Dilemma is a podcast of the John Quincy Adams Society, an independent nonprofit organization dedicated to advancing ...
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Stay ahead of cyberthreats with expert insights and practical security . Led by an ensemble cast of industry thought leaderss offering in-depth analysis and practical advice to fortify your organization's defenses.
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Elite Expert Insider Podcast

Melanie Johnson & Jenn Foster

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Elite Expert Insider podcast. Educate, inspire and motivate entrepreneurs, innovators and growth seekers. Hosts Melanie Johnson and Jenn Foster, owners of Elite Online Publishing, will bring you conversations from business, personal development to health and fitness. They will chat with special guests, industry leaders, authors, business and marketing experts and just darn interesting people. It's the show that will up your game!
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International SOS

International SOS

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The International SOS Situation Update podcast provides the latest analysis, advice and recommendations on the health and security risks impacting you and your organisation today. With support from our global medical and security experts, we discuss the most pertinent topics impacting a workforce and provide tactical guidance on mitigating health, safety, security and wellbeing risks.
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Want to hear what industry experts really think about the cyber threats they face? ShadowTalk is a weekly cybersecurity podcast, made by practitioners for practitioners, featuring analytical insights on the latest cybersecurity news and threat research. Threat Intelligence Analyst Kim Bromley brings over 15 years of experience in threat intelligence across the public and private sectors. Kim and her guests provide practical perspectives on the week’s top cybersecurity news and share knowledg ...
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Cybermidnight Club– Hackers, Cyber Security and Cyber Crime is a trailblazing podcast by Alberto Daniel Hill, an expert in cybersecurity and the first person in Uruguay to serve prison for a computer-related crime. A crime he isn’t guilty of, perhaps one which never happened. Join Alberto as he dives deep into the world of hackers and cybersecurity in his riveting podcast. In this series, Alberto provides firsthand insights into the dark web and expert analysis of cybersecurity issues that a ...
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SpyTalk

SpyTalk, Jeff Stein

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SpyTalk lives at the intersection of intelligence operations, foreign policy, homeland security, and military strategy. Hosted by veteran national security journalist Jeff Stein, the podcast features exclusives by SpyTalk’s roster of longtime reporters, news and profiles of US and foreign spymasters, and interviews with policymakers and expert authors. There’s nothing quite like it—a place for experts and laypersons alike, who enjoy national security scoops and insights by SpyTalk's subject ...
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Learn about the latest threat and cybersecurity trends on The Defender’s Advantage Podcast! Hear from experts in the field as Host Luke McNamara, from Google Threat Intelligence Group, interviews analysts, researchers and other guests on the frontlines of the latest attacks. Episodes dive deep into various topics, including nation-state activity, cybercrime, malware and tradecraft, incident response, defensive guidance, and more. Don't forget to subscribe!
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Cloud Security Podcast

Cloud Security Podcast Team

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Learn Cloud Security in Public Cloud the unbiased way from CyberSecurity Experts solving challenges at Cloud Scale. We can be honest because we are not owned by Cloud Service Provider like AWS, Azure or Google Cloud. We aim to make the community learn Cloud Security through community stories from small - Large organisations solving multi-cloud challenges to diving into specific topics of Cloud Security. We LIVE STREAM interviews on Cloud Security Topics every weekend on Linkedin, YouTube, Fa ...
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Ilona Anderson can help you trademark your brand, seize the day, and gain more freedom in your life. As the founder of a law firm specializing in trademark and employment law, she can help protect your business assets, giving you greater peace of mind and profitability in the future. Prevent the issues before they arise by listening to this intervi…
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Technology moves fast, and staying updated is crucial for every business. In this episode, IT expert Kate Bowcut shares practical advice on essential IT and security measures, including the importance of strong passwords, two-factor authentication, and reliable backups. She explains why password managers like 1Password are a game-changer, covers ho…
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In this episode… Today’s guest, Dr. Pavithra Kumar, is a principal at Advanced Analytical Consulting Group. She specializes in the application of economic and financial theory to questions arising in complex security and finance litigation. Dr. Kumar is a published author and holds a PhD in finance from MIT. Women and minorities make up some of the…
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There is much debate among academics and policy experts over the power the Constitution affords to the president and Congress to initiate military conflicts. But as Michael Ramsey and Matthew Waxman, law professors at the University of San Diego and Columbia, respectively, point out in a recent law review article, this focus misses the mark. In fac…
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Please enjoy this encore of Career Notes. Chief intelligence officer at Intel 471, Michael shares his story where he started as an actor and quickly changed over to intelligence and what the transition was like for him. Michael grew up wanting to be an actor and even was able to land some acting jobs, after going into the Marine Corps he decided to…
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From November 6, 2024: For today’s special episode, Lawfare General Counsel and Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson held a series of conversations with contributors to a special series of articles on “The Dangers of Deploying the Military on U.S. Soil” that Lawfare recently published on its website, in coordination with our friends at Protect Democracy…
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Tal Peleg, Senior Product Manager, and Coby Abrams, Cyber Security Researcher of Varonis, discussing their work and findings on Rusty Pearl - Remote Code Execution in Postgres Instances. The flaw could allow attackers to execute arbitrary commands on a database server’s operating system, leading to potential data theft, destruction, or lateral move…
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Context and the Surrounding Situation in Mexico Héctor López, an ethical hacker and cybersecurity educator based in Guanajuato, Mexico, joined the Twitter Space because he woke up very early with intense anxiety and insomnia (“bien ansioso”) over the catastrophic national security and political situation in Mexico. The immediate trigger for his dis…
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Veteran war reporter and Latin America expert Doug Farah throws cold water on Trump’s campaign against Nicholas Maduro. Follow Jeff Stein on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpyTalker Follow Karen Greenberg on Twitter https://x.com/KarenGreenberg3 Follow Michael Isikoff on Twitter: https://twitter.com/isikoff Follow SpyTalk on Twitter: https://twitter.…
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The CBO was hacked by a suspected foreign actor. Experts worry Trump’s budget cuts weaken U.S. cyber defenses. Regulation shapes expectations. ClickFix evolves on macOS. Notorious cybercrime groups form a new “federated alliance.” Congressional leaders look to counter China’s influence in 6G networks. An EdTech firm pays $5.1 million to settle data…
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Money leaves a trail, but only a clear storyteller can make that trail persuade a jury. We sit down with forensic CPA and litigation consultant Tatevik Torossian to unpack how expert witnesses transform complex financial disputes into simple, credible narratives that hold up under fire. From early career lessons to first-chair testimony, she shares…
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Your curated weekday guide to the biggest national security and foreign policy developments over the past 24 hours. Compiled by the Just Security team and read by an automated voice, The Early Edition is an essential resource for anyone shaping a just and secure world. Published November 7th, 2025, on Just Security. ICYMI: Yesterday on Just Securit…
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Can your organization truly trust every identity, human, machine, and AI? The traditional security perimeter is no longer a reliable boundary. As enterprises adopt hybrid infrastructures, cloud services, and autonomous AI systems, identity has emerged as the central element of effective cybersecurity. In the latest episode of The Security Strategis…
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International SOS has increased its Evacuation Monitor level for Mali to EVACUATE: NON-ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE amid fuel blockades and security threats. Lead Security Analyst for the Sahel, Jessica Trichias, and Security Manager, Benedikt Zimmermann, explain the situation in-country and what it means for organisations with operations in the country.…
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In a live conversation on November 5, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Lawfare Contributing Editor Peter Harrell and Georgetown Law Professors Marty Lederman and Kathleen Claussen to discuss what occurred during oral arguments in the legal challenge to President Trump’s tariffs at the Supreme Court and how the justices may rule…
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Opening Bell - Morning Commentary Wall Street tumbled on Job cuts and concerns about Overvaluation. The American markets (S&P 500 (-1.12%) and NASDAQ 100 (-1.91%)) tumbled on Thursday as Big Tech and AI stocks faced profit-taking amid mounting concerns about overvaluation. Nvidia, AMD, Palantir, and Tesla led declines, pressured by weak investor se…
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Opening Bell - Morning Commentary US Markets Rebound on Strong Data as AI Concerns Ease U.S. markets rebounded on Wednesday from Tuesday's steepest single-day decline in nearly a month. Surging semiconductor stocks and robust jobs and services data restored investor confidence after sharp losses triggered by concerns over AI sector valuations. Chip…
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Tucker Carlson interviewed white nationalist Nick Fuentes, and now the right is divided on whether that’s okay. Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with Odette Yousef, a national security correspondent focusing on extremism, about the divide that seems to be opening up on the American political right after Carlson’s interview. And Pentagon Correspondent …
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This week: Reversing keyboard firmware Ghost networks Invasion of the face changers Ghost tapping and whole lot of FUD AI doesn't code securely, but Aardvark can secure code De-Googling Thermostats Dodgy Android TV boxes can run Debian HackRF vs. Honda Cyberslop AI paper Turning to the darkside Poisoning the watering hole Nagios vulnerabilities VPN…
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Zero Trust has been top of mind for years, but how is AI changing what that actually looks like in practice? In this episode of CyberWire-X, Dave Bittner is joined by Deepen Desai, Chief Security Officer at Zscaler, to discuss the transformative impact of AI on Zero Trust security frameworks. The discussion outlines how AI enhances threat preventio…
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Cisco patches critical vulnerabilities in its Unified Contact Center Express (UCCX) software. CISA lays off 54 employees despite a federal court order halting workforce reductions. Gootloader malware returns. A South Korean telecom is accused of concealing a major malware breach. Russia’s Sandworm launches multiple wiper attacks against Ukraine. Ch…
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In today’s cybersecurity industry, Managed Service Providers (MSPs) who do not adapt risk falling behind. In the recent episode of The Security Strategist podcast, host Richard Stiennon, Chief Research Analyst at IT-Harvest, talks with Stefanie Hammond, Head Nerd at N-able, and Jim Waggoner, Vice President of Product Management at N-able. They disc…
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Gen. (ret.) CQ Brown, Jr. may have been removed from his post as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but he isn't finished serving. He joined Ryan at War on the Rocks HQ to talk about how America can realize the true promise of its faltering defense industrial enterprise (the focus of a recent article he authored). Brown argues the playbook alre…
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Your curated weekday guide to the biggest national security and foreign policy developments over the past 24 hours. Compiled by the Just Security team and read by an automated voice, The Early Edition is an essential resource for anyone shaping a just and secure world. Published November 6th, 2025, on Just Security. ICYMI: Yesterday on Just Securit…
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On today’s episode, Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Joseph Kellner, an assistant professor of history at the University of Georgia to discuss his latest book, “The Spirit of Socialism: Culture and Belief at the Soviet Collapse,” which examines the millions of Soviet people who embarked on a “spirited and highly visible search f…
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Following Democrats' decisive Tuesday wins, Jon is joined by MSNBC's Chris Hayes, host of "All In" and author of "The Sirens' Call," and David Plouffe, former Obama campaign manager and White House senior advisor. Together, they dissect the election results, explore the tension between political consulting and authentic campaigning, and discuss wha…
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What are the origins of AGO and how has the organisation developed within the National Intelligence Community? How does AGO contribute to the broader remit of Australian statecraft, the work done by other NIC agencies, and the Five Eyes partnership? What are some of the biggest challenges in Australia’s immediate region that AGO is working towards?…
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An overview of #OpChildSafety, an ongoing hacktivist operation founded by the decentralized collective Anonymous, which focuses on digital vigilantism to protect minors from online child exploitation. This dedicated effort emerged as part of Anonymous' broader campaigns, gaining prominence between 2018 and 2024, motivated in part by perceived limit…
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