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Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource ...
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The Inner Circle

Aaron Donald, Matt Ryan, Todd France and Zach Klein

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A new era of conversations. Real access, untold stories, and behind the scenes perspectives from those who played the game, cover it, and shape it.
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It’s a confluence of circumstances on a jam-packed #RefsPodcast: The OHL suspends Brampton's Luke Dragusica for the rest of the season for a Marty-McSorleyesque two-handed slash to the head Carolina Hurricanes’ Andrei Svechnikov gets the elbow up on Vancouver Canucks’ Filip Hronek We’re not seeing any sort of distinct kicking motion on this disallo…
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Send us a text The crew opens with Jayden Daniels’ late-game injury and a debate about whether coaches should keep their star players in when the game’s already out of reach. Matt and AD share the player’s mindset of never wanting to come out, and when a coach has to protect his guys from themselves. From there, Matt gives fans a rare inside look a…
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Happy Thanksgiving! Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are popping in early to preview the Monday Night Football matchup between the Patriots and Giants. New York pass rusher Brian Burns had some INTERESTING comments about Drake Maye ahead of the game. Plus, a detailed look at how the Patriots can manage the injuries to Will Campbell, Jared Wilson and Mi…
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Send us a text Super Bowl–winning head coach Jon Gruden jumps into the Inner Circle for a no-BS masterclass in real football. At 62, he’s still living like an NFL coach.. in the office early, two servers full of tape, grading quarterbacks on feet, decisions and every throw. and he’s not shy about what’s gone wrong with today’s game. Gruden and Matt…
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OK, bad wins don't exist in the NFL. But ... losing Will Campbell (along with Jared Wilson, Khyiris Tonga and Brenden Schooler) while struggling mightily in the run game against a historically bad defense? Not great. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are here to analyze all angles from the Patriots' 26-20 win over a bad Bengals team that was playing wit…
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Send us a text From Pittsburgh to pure chaos across the NFL, this episode of The Inner Circle is a ride. We open with Aaron Donald going home: Pitt rolls out the red carpet, his jersey hits the rafters, he jumps on College GameDay, and yes… the shirt comes off. AD gets real about being overlooked in high school — only three offers, Pitt, Toledo and…
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After a mini bye weekend, the Pats Chat podcast is back as the Patriots prepare to face the Bengals, who have the worst defense in the NFL (and arguably of all time). Sunday should be a big, big day for Drake Maye and the New England offense. Defensively, losing Milton Williams for at least four games is a huge hit for Mike Vrabel's defense to take…
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On the latest #RefsPodcast: Nashville Predators forward Michael Bunting tips a shot into the net vs. the New York Rangers that was just a bit high... but presented an opportunity for some technological enhancements Boston Bruins blueliner Nikita Zadorov took out Toronto Maple Leafs captain Auston Matthews, who left the game shortly after. Did it de…
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The Patriots have done it again, folks. They've won another football game. A 27-14 win over the Jets was definitely imperfect, but on a Thursday night, sometimes you've gotta win a little ugly. And now the Patriots are 9-2, winners of eight straight and owners of the BEST RECORD IN THE NFL. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley break down the Booms and Doom…
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Doug Kyed from the Boston Herald and Michael Hurley from NBC Sports Boston preview the Jets-Patriots Thursday night matchup. The Patriots are saying and doing all the right things, but are the vibes too high? Is this a let-down game for the Patriots? Pats Chat on CLNS Media is Powered by:💰 Prize Picks - Sign up at http://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/…
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Send us a text For the first time ever, The Inner Circle Podcast welcomes a guest — and it’s a big one. Super Bowl champion and MVP frontrunner Matthew Stafford. Stafford gets into the reality of having Sean McVay in his ear, especially during TV timeouts when the clock isn’t running and the coaching points won’t stop. He explains the subtle “cut i…
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The New England Patriots improved to 8-2 with a win over the Buccaneers in Tampa. This was a big one. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley break down the highs and the lows from the 28-23 win, during which Drake Maye made a bad mistake but also made some massive plays. Rookies Kyle Williams and TreVeyon Henderson broke out in big ways, and Mike Vrabel's de…
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On the latest #RefsPodcast: Scoring a goal without actually putting the puck into the net. It's possible, and it happened twice this week - once at Anaheim Ducks vs. Detroit Red Wings and again at Minnesota Wild vs. Nashville Predators Red Wings defenseman Moritz Seider has a goal disallowed for a "distinct kicking motion" that wasn't very distinct…
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The trade deadline came and went without the Patriots making any additions. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley react to that inactivity and debate whether the 7-2 team atop the AFC should have been more aggressive. Then it's time to preview the Pats-Bucs game, where BOTH hosts MIGHT be picking Tampa to win? Regardless, Sunday represents a big opportunity…
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If you want to win a lot of games in a season, you're going to have to win ugly sometimes. The Patriots did that against the Falcons, winning 24-23 thanks in part to a missed PAT by Atlanta in the fourth quarter. Drake Maye had a bad fumble and a bad interception, but he also had some high-level plays. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley go deep on his ga…
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The Pittsburgh Penguins do, at least this week. Also on the latest #RefsPodcast: New official debuts as Shawn Oliver, Jeremy Faucher, and Dylan Blujus hit the ice for the first time in the NHL Injury updates with Scott Cherrey, Francois St. Laurent, Steve Kozari, Chris Rooney, Ryan Daisy, and Bryan Pancich still sidelined Congratulations to referee…
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The Patriots have made some trades, sending Keion White to San Francisco and Kyle Dugger to Pittsburgh. Are they clearing the deck, so to speak, to add a big impact player before the deadline? Also, would you trade two first-round picks for Myles Garrett? Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley get into a heated, violent debate over that question in this epis…
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Send us a text It’s Halloween week on The Inner Circle as the guys open the show debating the ultimate Halloween candy draft.. Reese’s vs Snickers vs Peanut M&M's and the proper etiquette when it comes to handing out the big bars. From there, the group discusses the weekend’s biggest surprises: Miami’s blowout win over Atlanta. Matt breaks down how…
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Drake Maye can have an excellent game against the No. 1 defense and he's not even our lead story?? That is, paradoxically, our lead story, after the quarterback was very good in a win over the Browns. He wasn't alone, though. You had Mack Hollins, you had Robert Spillane, you had Kayshon Boutte, and you had TreVeyon Henderson all with big games in …
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The Patriots are 5-2, and just about everyone in the football world is getting a little excited about their potential. There's no doubt they're ahead of schedule on their rebuild, but why exactly is that the case? Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley point to Stefon Diggs, Mike Vrabel, Drake Maye, Will Campbell and more. Plus, even though the Browns are ve…
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Send us a text AD steps into the broadcast booth for a hilarious on-air simulation gone wrong, while Matt shares what it’s really like when producers talk in your ear mid-broadcast. The guys break down Patrick Mahomes’ trick play magic, TJ Hockenson’s overturned touchdown, and Baker Mayfield’s outburst over officiating. Todd takes us inside the bus…
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The Patriots overcame a wee bit of early adversity to end up trouncing the Titans by a 31-13 final, thanks in large part to Drake Maye putting forth another unreal effort for New England. He had two incompletions total, which tells you all you need know. Doug Kyed & Michael Hurley break down the game, including Rhamondre Stevenson being back, some …
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On this week's #RefsPodcast: Author Don Weekes joins Todd and Josh to discuss his new book Hockey Hall of Fame Timeline of the Game: 150 Years of Hockey Stories Referee Michael Markovic has a 'Steve Harvey' moment after he announces the wrong call - and immediately corrects it - at Panthers vs. Devils Vancouver Canucks defenseman Tyler Myers fined …
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The Patriots are in first place. Who saw that coming? NOBODY! Not even the brilliant genius hosts named Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley, who are here to chat Pats for the people. They get into the state of things (first place!?), some trade deadline potential moves at pass rusher and running back, and some thoughts about the upcoming game against the …
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Send us a text It was one of those weeks in the NFL where everything flipped. Bijan Robinson officially arrived with a national breakout performance that had the whole crew buzzing. Matt Ryan called it Bijan’s coming-out party. Aaron Donald broke down exactly how he’d try to stop him — from film study to reading his hips — and Zach Klein said what …
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The Patriots beat the Saints in New Orleans. It was an eventful game. Drake Maye was very impressive, as he continues to improve in areas we said he needed improvement as recently as a few weeks ago. Kayshon Boutte had a tremendous game, too, leading the way with two touchdowns and the game-sealing catch. But boy oh boy, did that officiating crew s…
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On this week's #RefsPodcast: Preseason wrap-up 322 penalty minutes for Panthers vs. Lightning in the fiercely nasty battle of Florida What happens when an ejected player comes back on the ice and nobody notices? What about when he scores a goal? This is not what Niko Mikkola or the NHL had in mind. AJ Greer and Nick Foligno throw down in the first …
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The 3-2 Patriots are heading to New Orleans to take on the 1-4 Saints. If Drake Maye and Rhamondre Stevenson can hang on to the football, the Patriots should be in good shape. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley take a look at the current roster and identify areas that could be improved via trade, and then take a look at how each member of the rookie clas…
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Send us a text We go inside the Eagles’ locker room drama and the growing tension that’s turning teammates into rivals. Aaron Donald opens up about being a sore loser on and off the field... including the day he benched himself after his son’s game. Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Baker Mayfield steals the show with a pregame tunnel trash-talk cli…
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A podcast so nice, the fellas had to do it twice! Look, a 2 a.m. podcast couldn't possibly have covered all that needed to be discussed after Drake Maye and the Patriots beat the Bills in Buffalo, so a sleep-deprived Doug Kyed got back on the podcasting horse and joined Michael Hurley to get through everything that might not have been discussed in …
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Holy mackerel, the Patriots won in Buffalo. Drake Maye suited up for his first prime-time game as a starter and was outstanding, outdueling Josh Allen in the 23-20 Patriots victory. It was Booms galore on this podcast: Stefon Diggs, Andy Borregales, Marcus Jones, Christian Gonzalez, Robert Spillane, too many Booms to count. The Dooms were fewer, th…
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The Patriots are heading for prime time, as they'll take on the Buffalo Bills on Sunday Night Football. Can they win? Sure. Will it be a disappointment if they don't? Probably not, but it depends on how they compete. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are here to do the requisite Josh Allen-Drake Maye comparisons, while breaking down some keys to this ga…
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Send us a text The guys kick off Episode 5 with locker-room fines and how players keep each other in check, before diving into Micha Parsons' return in the Cowboys–Packers game. AD thinks Dak Prescott is playing MVP ball. He also breaks down the grind of facing double teams week after week, while Matt explains how devastating it is for a young QB (…
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The Patriots have beaten the Carolina Panthers. Soundly. It was a little tense early, when the Panthers jumped out to a 6-0 lead and the Patriots went three-and-out, but a Marcus Jones punt return TD turned it around, and Drake Maye was nearly perfect in the 42-13 win. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley break it all down, hand out booms and dooms, and th…
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On this week's #RefsPodcast: Missed goals, unlimited high sticks, and line brawls! The new guys hit the ice in the National Hockey League! Which NHL officials have yet to take the ice? Steve Kozari, Shandor Alphonso, and Bryan Pancich are still working their way back from injuries last season. New York Rangers winger Brennan Othmann picked up a maj…
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This is a big one. Some would say the biggest ever. The Patriots are playing the Panthers. And it's a MUST WIN ... in the sense that the season could be going down a bad path if they lose. Plus, is Drake Maye actually performing better than we think? Is Stefon Diggs happy? What's up with Christian Gonzalez? A deep dive into the PFF grades up and do…
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Send us a text Episode 4 of The Inner Circle Podcast hits every corner of the NFL week with Zach Klein, Matt Ryan, Aaron Donald, and Todd France. Aaron relives the surprise and emotion of having Pitt retire his No. 97, while Matt pulls back the curtain on CBS’s NFL Today 50th anniversary show, including the hilariously awkward on-air moment with Br…
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The Patriots turned the ball over five times against the Steelers and still ... kinda/shoulda won the game. That says a lot about many things, but the Patriots are now 1-2 and Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are here to break it down. They have extensive thoughts about Rhamondre Stevenson and his fumbling problem, Drake Maye's good plays and brutal tu…
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On this week's #RefsPodcast: Kicking off the 2025-26 season! Wrapping up NHL officials’ training camp Promotions for ref Jordan Samuels-Thomas and liney Ryan Jackson New names joining the NHL: referee Ben Betker and linespersons Dylan Blujus, Jeremy Faucher, and Shawn Oliver. Retirements of referee Ghislain Hebert and linesman Derek Nansen But, wai…
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It's Week 3, and the Steelers are coming to Foxboro. Who's going to win??? Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley have the answers. OK maybe not, BUT, they talk about Christian Gonzalez, the state of the roster, Drake Maye's love of Aaron Rodgers, and an impromptu power ranking of broadcasters on Patriots Super Bowls. You've never heard anything like this!!…
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Send us a text We open with Joe Burrow’s turf toe and Matt Ryan (who’s had it twice) details why it’s worse than it sounds, why surgery signals severity, and how second opinions actually work. Todd has a story about a second opinion that could have saved a life! Would the Bengals chase a short-term QB like Kirk Cousins, or ride Jake Browning? The c…
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The Patriots won in Miami. That's crazy, don't you think? Drake Maye was outstanding, so hopefully we never have to hear people wonder if there's too much "on his plate." Doug Kyed was in Miami for the game and breaks it all down with Michael Hurley. It certainly wasn't a perfect team effort, but it was entertaining. Enjoy the BOOMS and the DOOMS a…
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The Patriots laid an egg (sort of) in Week 1. Surely they can turn it around against the Dolphins, who had the stinker of all stinkers in their loss to the Colts ... right? RIGHT? Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley break that down, while giving thoughts on Terrell Williams, Mike Vrabel, Drake Maye, Christian Gonzalez, TreVeyon Henderson, Efton Chism, Mac…
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Send us a text Episode 2: Spit, Fines & Real Talk with Aaron Donald and Matt Ryan Week 1 delivered chaos—Dak Prescott vs. Jalen Carter, New York Giants Head Coach Brian Daboll hedging on QB1, Titans running back Derrick Henry flattening defenders, and Aaron Rodgers gets revenge. But the biggest headline in this episode is the debut of our new segme…
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The Patriots lost to the Raiders in Week 1, and it stunk. Drake Maye didn't do star quarterback things, Josh McDaniels didn't run the ball, Mike Vrabel's defense gave up far too many explosive plays, all leading to a dud of an opener. What's this mean for the season? Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley break it all down, while also discussing Bill Belichi…
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Week 1 of the NFL season is officially underway, and Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are previewing Sunday's game between the Patriots and Raiders. This is a tough one to get a feel for, but they really try their best, folks. Doug also reported that UNC has banned Patriots scouts from Tar Heels practices. Isn't that sad, everybody? Plus some great Red…
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Send us a text In our very first episode, The Inner Circle Podcast goes behind the curtain of the NFL with voices you won’t hear anywhere else: Aaron Donald (3-time Defensive Player of the Year and 10-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle), Matt Ryan (NFL MVP and 4-time Pro Bowl quarterback), Todd France (NFL super agent with more than 25 years of experie…
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It's football season! That means Michael Hurley is ENGAGED. He and Doug Kyed are here to talk about the biggest news of the week, like Jabrill Peppers getting released. Are they really good enough to just cut good players? Also, 2025 captains were named -- any surprises? Christian Gonzalez still isn't practicing, when is it time to worry with Week …
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The Patriots whittled their roster down to 53 players on Tuesday, and Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are here to react right after the official announcements were made. Biggest surprise? Probably the eight receivers, including Javon Baker. Speaking of receivers, will it be hard for third-round rookie Kyle Williams to get on the field? Which of the pl…
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