Sacred and Profane: Bending the Binaries of Faith , is a podcast bringing queer and faith perspectives to the ordinary and extraordinary topics that are threaded through our lives. Pam Rocker and Roberto Che Espinoza spend a lot of time in the public square talking about faith, religion, LGBTQ+ stuff, and queer possibility, fused together with comedy. Pam and Roberto are kindred spirits and Texans who are immersed in activist and spiritual movements. Sacred and Profane puts the elements of s ...
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Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender—untangling faith, grieving what was, deeply hopeful the sacred remains.
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A podcast by church kids for church kids-- figuring out life, art and culture on the other side of the evangelical bubble. Equal parts heavy and light.
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Permission To BE is a podcast created to share the journeys of leaning into authenticity of being. Authenticity encapsulates many things including racism, gender or non-gender identity, mental health, and political leanings which we believe are connected to our spiritual beliefs. Tommy Allgood, Olivia Bethea, and Becka Eppley co-host the Permission To BE Podcast.
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15. Rev. Roberto Che Espinoza, PhD (Baptist) – Becoming Human With One Another
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50:06🎙 Episode 15. Rev. Roberto Che Espinoza (Baptist) – Becoming Human With One Another This week, Alexis Rice welcomes Rev. Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza, PhD (@drrobertoche), pastor, scholar, and founder of Activist Theology and Our Collective Becoming. Roberto’s life and ministry embody a theology rooted in interdependence, tenderness, and justice. A Lat…
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19. Sara Groves (Singer-Songwriter) Faith, Fruit of the Spirit, and a License to Love
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1:12:39🎙 19. Sara Groves (Singer-Songwriter) – Faith, Fruit of the Spirit & a License to Love 🕊️ Reconciling Faith | 💜 Fruit of the Spirit | 🌱 Culture Care > Culture War | 🧠 Mental Health & Church This episode is for anyone holding grief, doubt, and hope at the same time—longing to keep Jesus at the center when public witness fractures. It’s for those lea…
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18. Rev. Helen (UK-Church of England) – From St. Phoebe to Today: Women as Leaders, Science & a Kinder Christianity
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56:53Alexis Rice welcomes Rev. Helen —a Church of England priest serving at St. Margaret’s, Ipswich—and our first guest from outside the United States. With warmth, candor, and a fierce pastoral heart, Rev. Helen shares how her late-in-life call to ministry grew from community, story, and wonder—and why an inclusive, justice-rooted Anglican faith speaks…
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17. Pastor Paul Drees (Lutheran) - Grace, Power & the Future of the Church
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1:08:06This week, Alexis Rice welcomes Pastor Paul Drees (@pastorpauldrees)—a Lutheran pastor of a local church. His online ministry, begun in 2021 in response to church trauma and toxic theology, has since reached 90M+ video views and drawn 650K+ followers across TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook. Together, Alexis and Paul dive into: Why grace com…
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16. Tim Whitaker (The New Evangelicals) – Rebuilding Faith Beyond Fundamentalism
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50:06🎙 Episode 16. Tim Whitaker – Rebuilding Faith Beyond Fundamentalism This week, Alexis welcomes Tim Whitaker @timwhitakerspeaks, founder and host of The New Evangelicals@thenewevangelicals, a digital-first community holding space for honesty, justice, and theological exploration. Tim’s story mirrors so many of ours: deep roots in white evangelical s…
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14. Pastor Zach Lambert (Non-Denominational) – Better Ways to Read the Bible
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43:06🎙 Episode 14: Better Ways to Read the Bible — with Pastor Zach Lambert This week, Alexis Rice welcomes Pastor Zach W. Lambert (@zachwlambert), founding pastor of Restore Austin and author of Better Ways to Read the Bible: Transforming a Weapon of Harm into a Tool of Healing. Zach’s work calls us to examine the lenses we bring to Scripture. He argue…
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13. Semler (Singer-Songwriter) Faith, Queerness, and Why Sometimes the Most Rebellious Act of All Is Staying
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1:07:17🎙Episode 13. Semler (Singer-Songwriter) – Faith, Queerness, and Why Sometimes the Most Rebellious Act of All Is Staying 🌈 Faith & Courage | Music as Resistance Semler @gracebaldridge made history when their independent release Preacher’s Kid became the first openly queer Christian album to reach #1 on the iTunes Christian charts—an accomplishment t…
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12. Pastor Joe Smith (Non-Denominational) — Reclaiming Faith from Christian Nationalism
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57:16🎙 Episode 12: Reclaiming Faith from Christian Nationalism — with Pastor Joe Smith Alexis Rice is joined by Pastor Joe Smith IG @therealjoe.smith — a bold and unflinching voice reclaiming Christianity from white Christian nationalism, spiritual manipulation, and cultural complacency. Known for his viral sermons and fearless online ministry, Joe shar…
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11. Rev. Joseph Yoo (Episcopal Church) – Reconstructing Faith After It All Falls Apart
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54:09Reconstructing Faith After It All Falls Apart — with Rev. Joseph Yoo Alexis Rice is joined by Rev. Joseph Yoo @joseph.yoo — a priest and writer whose honest, funny, and deeply human reflections have connected with millions online. Together, they explore what happens when the certainty of faith collapses, why deconstruction isn’t a trend but often a…
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10. Jon Guerra (Singer-Songwriter) – Restoring Wonder and Finding God in the Quiet
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54:12Restoring Wonder, Finding God in the Quiet with Jon Guerra 🕊️ Devotion & Disruption | Prayer for the Weary | The Wild Jesus This episode is for anyone aching for a faith that welcomes mystery and makes space for honest lament. It’s for the ones who crave connection with God but can’t stomach the noise of easy answers—or who need permission to slow …
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9. Jeremy Steele (United Methodist) – A Deep Skeptic and Also a Pastor Talks About How to Not Suck as a Christian
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45:09How to Not Suck as a Christian — with Jeremy Steele Alexis is joined by Jeremy Steele — bestselling author, viral TikTok creator, and United Methodist pastor known for radical honesty and spiritual skepticism. Jeremy’s online community, NotChurch, is a safe harbor for agnostics, mystics, post-evangelicals, and anyone who’s done with fear-based fait…
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8. Christi Bolaños – A Testimony of Bravery, Anger, and Reclaiming a Bigger God
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52:49Anger is a gift from God if we take it to Jesus — with Christi Bolaños Alexis is joined by Christi Bolaños — an ER nurse, adoptive mom of seven, and lifelong Christian whose fierce love for Jesus has carried her through heartbreak, injustice, and a faith that had to break open to hold it all. In this episode, Christi shares how moments of childhood…
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7. Rev. Lizzie McManus-Dail (Episcopal Church) – God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us
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1:19:32God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us — with Rev. Lizzie McManus-Dail Alexis is joined by Rev. Lizzie — an Episcopal priest, digital minister, & founding vicar of Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX. Her new devotional, God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us, is a healing and pastoral 40-day companion for those reclaiming their faith after spiritual harm. They e…
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6. Derek Webb (Singer-Songwriter) – Holding Complexity: Queer Solidarity, Art, and Faith After Certainty
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1:15:596. Derek Webb (Singer-Songwriter) – Holding Complexity: Queer Solidarity, Art, and Faith After Certainty 🕊️ Music as Resistance | Queer Solidarity | Faith After Certainty This episode is for anyone who's ever tried to sort through the rubble of their faith and wondered if anything worth keeping could survive. It’s for the ones who still ache for Je…
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5. Rev. Darrell Goodwin (United Church of Christ) – The God of Our Wildest Dreams
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1:01:47The God of Our Wildest Dreams with Rev. Darrell Goodwin 🕊️ United Church of Christ | Queer Faith | Liberation Theology This episode is for every queer person who was told “not you,” and for anyone who’s ever wondered if God could still be safe after the church became a source of pain. It’s for the seekers, the wounded, the deconstructing—and those …
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4. Rev. Dr. Chris Davies (United Church of Christ) – Queer Proclamation and Liberation
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1:00:30Queer Proclamation and Liberation with Rev. Dr. Chris Davies This episode is a love letter to the queer people who’ve expanded my understanding of God, faith, and love. It’s a balm for harm caused by Christian communities—and a tribute to the beauty and wisdom you bring to faith. It’s also for every Christian striving to walk in love: an invitation…
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3. Rev. Amber Evans (Episcopal Church) – Spiritual Direction and Sacred Shifts
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1:01:29Spiritual Direction and Sacred Shifts with Rev. Amber Evans 🪨 Welcome to The Sacred Slope — where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. In this episode, Alexis sits down with her own spiritual director, Rev. Amber Evans—an Episcopal priest, preacher, and guide for the spiritually curious. Together, they explore what happens when foundational be…
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2. Lindsay & Tommy Airey (Post-Evangelical) – Testimonies of Liberation, Deconstruction, and Holy Resistance
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1:16:27Liberation, Deconstruction, and Holy Resistance with Lindsay and Tommy Airey 🪜 Welcome to The Sacred Slope — where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. Alexis sits down with longtime friends and spiritual companions Lindsay and Tommy Airey to talk about reclaiming faith, resisting empire, and rediscovering a gospel rooted in justice and libera…
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1. Rev. Dr. Ginny Brown Daniel (United Church of Christ) – Reclaiming Faith Beyond Fundamentalism
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1:05:46Reclaiming Faith Beyond Fundamentalism with Rev. Dr. Ginny Brown Daniel Welcome to The Sacred Slope—where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. Alexis sits down with Rev. Dr. Ginny Brown Daniel—pastor, activist, and prophetic voice for justice—to talk about reclaiming faith beyond fundamentalism. Rooted in her Southern Baptist upbringing and le…
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Community Guidelines If we claim to follow Jesus, we should be known by our love — not by what we say, wear, or perform, but by the fruit of the Spirit: ❤️ love, 💫 joy, ☮️ peace, 🕊 patience, 💝 kindness, 🌿 goodness, 🙏 faithfulness, 🤲 gentleness, and 💪 self-control. Let our words online and our actions offline reflect that love. 🕊️ Let this space be …
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It’s All Gonna Be Okay (Series Finale)
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1:35:36Well they say all rotten things must come to an end. In this final episode, I have a laid back conversation with my friend, the Pastor of Pump himself, Danny Prada. We talk about our respective journeys, how we have grown as individuals, how DRCK has impacted our lives, and how we feel as it all comes to a close. From the bottom of my heart, thank …
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What I Wish I Knew About Deconstruction
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2:07:34On this, second to last DRCK episode, I had the privilege of hanging out with my friend Janice (God Has Not Given! Bad Words! General Menace!) , and new friend Tim (The New Evangelicals!). We discuss the things we would go back and tell ourselves about our personal deconstruction journeys– the good, the bad, the dogmatic. We also discuss platform c…
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Ever Becoming with Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza
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1:09:23This week I had the privilege of chatting with friend of the show and friend of mine, theologian and author Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza (Body Becoming! Activist Theology!). We have a laid back conversation about rest, embodiment, finding the third way and taking time to dream about the world we wish to see. I also go on a mild rant about being funempl…
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Pleasure Practice with Portia Brown
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1:14:58This week I had the privilege of speaking with sex educator and sex empowerment coach Portia Brown (Froetic Sexology!) . We discuss her upbringing in evangelical spaces, the ways she subverted the sex scripts she was handed, and the deliberate pursuit of pleasure practices. TIMESTAMPS: Interview - 5:04 Post Interview - 52:09 Sip, Smoke, Read - 57:3…
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Dirty Rotten Missions Trips with Kevin Garcia and Mason Mennenga
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1:42:47This week we’re talking about missions! My co-hosts for this episode are podcasters, writers, and friends Kevin Garcia (Bad Theology Kills! A Tiny Revolution!) and Mason Mennenga (A People’s Theology! The Black Sheep Podcast!). Together we unpack our experiences with short term mission trips, the ideas and doctrines that informed so many of them, a…
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This week, I have the absolute privilege of speaking with songwriter, producer, genius Joy Oladokun. We discuss their upbringing in Christian spaces, stepping into truth and the creative journey. We discuss her new album, Proof of Life, the songwriting and creative process, and the art of sifting through faith traditions to find the goodness. We al…
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Professional Christian with Sarah Heath and Justin Gentry
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2:02:29On this episode, I have the privilege of chatting with podcast hosts Sarah Heath and Justin Gentry (REVcovery!). We talk about what it was Iike deconstructing while in full time ministry, the struggles of making significant career changes, and the impostor syndrome that comes along with it. We also discuss what we have found that brings joy on the …
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Finitude, Gratitude, and Presence with Holly Laurent
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1:19:59This week I have the absolute pleasure of chatting with podcaster, writer, and performer Holly Laurent (MEGA The Podcast!). We talk about her upbringing in evangelical spaces, and the faith change that ultimately led to Mega The Podcast. We talk about humor, creativity, walking the fine line of familiar and unfamiliar, and finding the lovely things…
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For the first episode of the season, I chat with podcaster, author, and academic Brad Onishi (Straight White American Jesus!). We discuss his upbringing as a Japanese American within evangelicalism, the origins of extremist Christian nationalism and what comes next, his new book, and I have a big announcement to make about this season! Learn more a…
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Becka, Tommy, and Olivia welcome back to the podcast, author, speaker, and founder of Check Your Privilege, Myisha T Hill. Their conversation is full of laughter, wisdom, and insights on Myisha's last work, Heal Your Way Forward: The Co-Conspirator's Guide to an Antiracist Future. https://www.myishathill.com For more information on this episode and…
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It’s the last DRCK of 2022! What a year it has been. I’m wrapping it all up with singer/musician/producer Lucy Dacus! We talk about her upbringing within a cerebral evangelicalism, VBS, Purity Culture, and unravelling what she was handed. We also talk about her latest full length, this year’s EP, her creative process and ways in how she has found c…
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We Have Each Other with Jon Huertas
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1:18:43This week I got to chat with actor, director and writer Jon Huertas (This is Us! Castle! Sabrina the Teenage Witch!). We talked about his upbringing within the catholic church, moving out of religious spaces to nontheism, and reasons he let go of the dogma he was handed to instead embrace belief in humanity. We also talk about creativity, the hard …
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Not Even A Hint with Blair @TalkPurityToMe
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1:40:50This week we’re talking purity! This week’s guest co-host is Blair from TalkPurityToMe–we discuss growing up in house churches, and some of the ways we were taught about purity and modesty, as well as some of the ways we are still feeling the aftermath. We also hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by Date Me Jesus Timestamps: Date Me Je…
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BONUS PATREON EPISODE: Meet Producer Delbreezy!
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1:12:32On this off-week I wanted to give you bad apples a sneak peak at the Patreon episodes and introduce my friend and new producer/editor, Joshua Delbridge aka Delbreezy! We talk about his backstory, being queer in evangelical spaces, and how we met. We also sip, smoke and read together. Enjoy! Interview 1:42 Sip, Smoke Read 53:05 Irreverent Media Grou…
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Human Overboard with Rhett McLaughlin
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1:23:41This week I had the chance to chat with comedian, podcaster, author, director and musician Rhett McLaughlin (Rhett and Link! Good Mythical Morning! James and the Shame!). We talk about his upbringing in church, deconstructing while in the public eye, and creating therapeutic music. He also answers some questions from the bad apples. Brought to you …
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Blab it and Grab it with Tori Williams Douglass
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1:55:37This week we talk prosperity! My guest cohost is podcaster, speaker, author and friend Tori Williams Douglass (White Homework! Go Home Bible You're Drunk!). Together we unpack the health and wealth gospel. We discuss how we were brought up in that theology, the harm it causes and how we unlearn some of the language on the other side. We also answer…
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