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Moving Forward

Rio Veradonir

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This is an experiment in productive disagreement. We talk politics, from both conservative and progressive perspectives, with an aim to finding common ground. Support the show: MovingForwardPod.com
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Heterodorx

Corinna Cohn

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“Based TERF and Tranny” Nina Paley and Cori Cohn talk about gender — and anything else they find interesting and/or horrifying — with warmth, sarcasm, respect, cutting intelligence, more sarcasm, and disarming honesty. heterodorx.substack.com
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After several conversations about antidepressants, the Dorx welcome back pediatrician Dr. Julia Mason, who prescribes Selective Seretonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to young people. Do we even know what these drugs do to developing brains? How do antidepressants compare with “gender-affirming care”? Does Barlean’s Fish Oil really taste like lemon …
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Cori is a hard-working corporate employee who dutifully contributes to America’s tax base. Nina is a low-income artist with Crohn’s Disease whose medical expenses make her a net parasite, despite also paying taxes. After a surprise performance of improvised music by soda-can virtuoso Cori, we discuss tariffs, security, Medicaid, FICA, “maxing out c…
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Cori travels from statehouse to statehouse to testify against the worst excesses of gender ideology, while Nina gets sick for a month and loses her voice and relevance. Cori shares news from New Hampshire, where heterodox Democrat Jonah Wheeler is subject to a struggle session; Nina shares about watching television and playing Lexulous. Our lives c…
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Following up on our June 2021 episode What If We Win? the Dorx ask whether we have won the gender wars yet. While discussing weak arguments, bad journalism, wrong pronouns, diversity of tactics, tolerance, metallurgy, the responsibility of power, and Cori’s “boys,” still more questions arise: Why are people who know better still referring to men as…
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Cori suddenly pivots to surprise Nina with an unexpected interview about her lifelong mental health affliction and the medication she takes to manage it. What is the difference between grief and depression? Should you “feel your feelings” when your feelings are broken? What is serotonin? Which is a better theory of the brain: etchings or bike gears…
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More than what you ever needed to know about Cori’s breasts! Are they real? Are they implants? Are they gynecomastia? Whatever you call them (Cori calls them “the Boys”) they never fail to upset certain people on Twitter. Plus: Cori’s sweater, Cori’s scarf, Cori’s weight, Cori’s latest testimony at the Indiana Statehouse, Cori’s political opponents…
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A founding editor of online magazine Queer Majority, Rio Veradonir advocates “an inclusive vision of queerness grounded in the liberal value of universal human rights, rather than identity politics.” We discuss liberalism, anti-liberalism, the gay press, extremism in media, neo-marxism, critical social justice, legitimate vs made-up oppression, pop…
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Cori and Nina endure 2 hours of neo-religious propaganda so you don’t have to. Instead, you must endure 20 minutes of Nina attempting to recall plot points while Cori complains how long it’s taking. Are the characters flat, or nuanced? Is the movie merely terrible, or does it have cult classic potential? Is the director cleverer than we give him cr…
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Cori and Nina take turns reading aloud Trump’s Executive Order 14168: Defending Women from Gender Identity Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government, commenting on every section. You won’t get a deeper analysis than ours, although you must endure Cori’s over-dramatic reading voice and the hosts’ occasional bickering. Links:…
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Remember the Free and Open Internet? Tech journalist Bryan Lunduke does, and isn’t afraid to write about its demise one institutional capture at a time. We discuss having our hearts broken by our beloved Internet Archive; the Wikipedia Foundation’s shady dealings; the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s championing “the right for little children to lo…
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Cori and Nina “deform” a flag and it goes viral for a few seconds, thanks to the outrage of self-diagnosed autists. But hysterical online denunciations aren’t what they used to be, especially when you identify as an A*****e, as Nina now does to treat her kindness dysphoria. Many questions arise about Cori: how human is he? Will he sue his “healthca…
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Lawyer and unyielding bicyclist Glenna Goldis knows the law, knows how to write, and knows women are female (ask her how!). After she describes her fancy road bike, and Nina lists her many recumbents, we move on to The US vs Skrmetti (also discussed here). Plus: cocaine, harm reduction, biker bars, the ACLU, propaganda, men in women’s prisons, “imp…
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Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) is a family disease, affecting not only “trans kids” but parents and siblings too. Therapist, coach, consultant, and educator Stephanie Winn returns to Heterodorx to illuminate some of the hazards parents and other family members navigate: victimhood as identity, drama triangles, destabilization, enabling seconda…
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AI Art Director, amateur comedian, band-aid specialist, DEI hire, and street researcher Chris Waites returns to Heterodorx — now with 10% more white! After disclosing some shattering news from 23&Me, Chris shares his expertise on AI generated visual art (please follow along on his Instagram page). Is AI art actually art? Does it threaten human art …
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Retired MA High Court Justice & WoLF legal powerhouse Elspeth Cypher returns to Heterodorx to discuss US v. Skrmetti, the Supreme Court case that could change the pediatric gender-industrial complex forever. Nina gives a “pedestrian viewpoint” of the hearing before superior legal minds Elspeth and Cori discuss solicitor generals, attorney generals,…
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Still on the path to conversion, Corinna updates us on his latest “Jew lessons” and why he kept the surname Cohn instead of anglicizing it to something like SparkleTree. We discuss the loss of oppression points for being Jewish; super-circumcision; antisemitism; and maybe visiting Israel someday. Meanwhile, Nina earns a subsistence wage sewing glov…
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Nina scrutinizes Cori’s Jewish pedigree and flaunts her own, while Cori compares Nina to Hitler and Kamala Harris to baloney. Then we discuss last week’s American presidential election! The suspense was killing us, but now we know who won (spoiler alert!) so we can stop compulsively checking our phones and breathe a sigh of relief and/or deranged t…
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Nina’s social anxiety disorder impedes proper maintenance of her bicycles, while Corinna’s anti-social disorder compels him to empty an entire canister of dad jokes into the podcast. Are pronouns passé? What is the word for lonely bereaved former cat owners? How much can you round up pi? Plus Nina announces a significant lifestyle change, and share…
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What happens when a butch lesbian who’s been on testosterone 18 years realizes she wants back into womanhood? Whatever it is, prepare for a tidal wave of masculinized women about to do the same. Can women accept women who look like men as their own? How many masculine visual cues (facial hair, baldness) can/will/should other women tolerate? Is this…
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The Dorx experience a proliferation of Cories as behavioral scientist Cory Clark shares fascinating observations about victimhood strategies, punishment, tribes, norms, taboos, hyper-cautious conformity, the ambition of academics, scrutiny of unpopular papers, self-censorship, socially costly beliefs, tenure, reputational threats, and socially desi…
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Speaking of depression, Cori admits his but Nina sounds so cynically resigned maybe she’s depressed too. After discussing feline euphoria, free speech, hate speech, terrible presidential candidates, and men’s clothing, Cori reveals his misadventures trying to get medical care from endocrinologists who prioritize “gender identity” over human health.…
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Political commentator and contrarian (but don’t call him that) Richard Hanania talks about his transition from callow supporter of Barack Obama through the fringes of Internet reactionary libertarianism and back to good old fashioned American conservatism, only to find that such a thing hardly exists any more. He tells us that Trump is bad, the Cov…
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Science Fiction author and journalist Jon Del Arroz was canceled before being canceled was cool (2016) and sued WorldCon for banning him in 2018. He discusses author communities, latinx armor, being both marginalized and having white privilege, crowdfunding for comics, Trump Derangement Syndrome, the twist of no twist, small presses, Marion Zimmer …
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The Honorable Justice Elspeth B Cypher (Retired) left her appointment on the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts to become the most-interviewed yet least-heard Heterodorx guest. Cypher discusses the Biden administrations attempts to replace sex with gender in Title IX, and the efforts of 20+ states and Moms for Liberty to push back. We also cov…
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The Heteroducks quack about the bee stings, Covid spikes, and personal lockdowns that canceled their long-anticipated Portland trip. Then Cori “Ice Cream” Cohn pleads for nuance in considering 5-ARD males competing in women’s sports categories. He argues it is solely the fault and responsibility of the International Olympic Committee, and our rage …
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Journalist, denominational mutt, and little-o orthodox Christian Brandon Showalter covers the “gender beat” at the Christian Post. He fills us in on how gender ideology is infiltrating churches, and answers: What is a Christian? What is gnosticism? How do denominations differ? What are human rights? What state has the worst drivers? (Maryland.) We …
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Before White Guilt afflicted American liberals, the Russian intelligentsia set a precedent of their own. Famous professor of Russian literature Gary Saul Morson joins the Dorx to talk about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s literary masterpiece The Gulag Archipelago, which leads to so much more: the self-hatred of educated people; political orthodoxy; peer …
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Proud Heterodork and super-smart lawyer Candice Jackson is so done dispensing with niceties. Returning 2 years after our first interview, she lays out how gender identity erases sex, skepticism of “third spaces,” obstacles in classifying gender ideology as a religion, what the Legislative and Executive branches of the US government are supposed to …
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Libertarian Party candidate for US President Chase Oliver forced a runoff election in Georgia in 2022, is a former Democrat, loves guns, hates taxes, was disappointed in Obama, is the first openly gay presidential candidate on most ballots, is dyslexic and dysgraphic, likes audiobooks, would like to weaken the office of President, will be 39 in Aug…
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Jules Louise was same-sex attracted, but more importantly she wanted to be a Good Person and “safe space for others” — so wound up married to a man. How did that happen? In this nuanced, heartfelt, and open conversation, Jules recalls her indoctrination into an ideology which destabilized her understanding of the world and herself, and her later em…
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Cori and Nina visit Saint Mary-of-the-Woods and witness several miracles, including light tailwinds both directions of Nina's 168-mile bike trip, not having to play Spirit Island, and an epiphany or two while praying the rosary. Will Cori minister to the trannies? Is Nina distinguishable from a Sister of Providence? Have you heard the Good News abo…
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Eli Steele’s documentaries challenge narratives favored by guilty white liberals such as Nina before she got ejected from her own tribe. His latest, Killing America, connects the demise of honors classes and other merit incentives in US schools, with the rise of “liberation ideologies,” antisemitism, and the erasure of history. We discuss The Age o…
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British-Palestinian writer and analyst John Aziz joins the Dorx to repeat his wacky, out-there thesis: Israelis are not going anywhere, Palestinians are not going anywhere, both groups have legitimate claims to the land, and both must forge a realistic future of peace. This is unfortunately controversial. Aziz emphasizes Israel is not Vietnam or Af…
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Is the ⁠video game developer⁠, computer programmer, ⁠GamerGate⁠ veteran, and ⁠aspiring politician⁠ “based” for ⁠recent statements⁠ against antisemitism? To find out, the Dorx invited Wu for an interview that lasted 2-and-a-half hours and is therefore broken into two parts. PART TWO: An increasingly contentious discussion of Jesse Singal, journalist…
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Is the video game developer, computer programmer, GamerGate veteran, and aspiring politician “based” for recent statements against antisemitism? To find out, the Dorx invited Wu for an interview that lasted 2-and-a-half hours and is therefore broken into two parts. PART ONE: A friendly conversation about eyebrows, makeup, Zionism, antisemitism, Gam…
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It would take a butcher to butch up Corinna enough to satisfy those clamoring for his detransition. Fresh from the UnSpeakeasy retreat in Louisville, the Dorx also discuss the Kohein priestly caste, street work, rimshots, shock collars, and Pronoun Ripple ice cream. Is Cori a homunculus dressed in a woman suit? How many cavities does he have? Does …
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What happens when an inquisitive, naturally hopeful, critical-thinking civics-oriented teacher educator gets a position in an Office of Equity, Social Justice, and Multicultural Education? She gets fired for not being "the right kind of Black person", and then speaks out about it while developing better alternatives for schools. Dr. tabia lee joins…
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Beth Bourne is a lifelong Democrat, mother of an estranged trans-identified daughter, and model of courage in the belly of the beast that is the Golden State. After years of receiving slow and inattentive medical service, she told Kaiser Permanente she identified as non-binary and suddenly had speedy access to attention, validation, and any “gender…
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Independent Scientist and emerging public intellectual J.D. Haltigan left academia for a life of forced leisure and blue-collar employment, but he’d rather pursue his passion for psychological research at an institution. He joins the Dorx to discuss Covid masking, psychopathology, bike helmets, denial of death, the neurotic anxious failure to devel…
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Cyd Zeigler started OutSports in 1999, gradually shifting focus from “pro sports from a gay men’s fandom angle” to all things LGBTQ++, including trans athletes. He joins the Dorx to argue for inclusion of male trans athletes in female categories. From chess to football, Zeigler believes every sport can and should be treated differently; that sex ca…
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After Nina welcomes self-described autoandrophile and pervert advocate Aaron “The Contraaron” Terrell with a deliberate misgendering, the two adult human females discuss male sexuality while actual male Corinna mostly bites his tongue. Topics include Terrell’s surprising shift from hetero- to homosexuality on exogenous testosterone, pretty privileg…
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When Things need to get done, it’s people like Ellen Daehnick who do them. Daehnick recently retired from her high-powered career to become a full-time “Unpaid Gender Crank”, focusing on legislation. She describes her first time testifying to the Colorado state legislature against CO House Bill 1071, which welcomes felons to change their legal name…
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Last year, case manager Jamie Reed blew the whistle on the gender clinic that had employed her for almost four years. Today, she faces an even more frightening challenge: being a guest on the Heterodorx podcast. Jamie’s impeccable lefty credentials never prepared her for Corinna’s relentless sarcasm, let alone what she witnessed in the medical syst…
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Canada is not merely America’s Hat; it’s also home to Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal, a TERF-Tranny duo rivaling the Heterodorx in both hardliner contempt and world domination. We discuss womanface, tribal identities, the sterilization of First Nations youth, aging, Feminized Eunuch Males (FEMs), Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID), do-it-yourself g…
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Corinna and Nina rant and complain about the current “Gender Critical” online discourse. What is a lesbian? Is Corinna gay, or homosexual? Is DARVO a floor wax, or a dessert topping? Although we perpetuate the problem by talking about it, by the end we propose a solution. You’ll hear lots of misgendering, talk of Nina’s sex-pozzie San Francisco day…
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Filmmaker and former pediatric nurse Jennifer Lahl's latest short documentary, The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood, focuses on male detransitioners. We discuss film distribution, the festival circuit, crowdfunding, straight-to-online, subtitles (“How do you say ‘chopped off his penis’ in Spanish?”), the obsolescence of DVDs, Jennifer’s ex-boyfrien…
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After Corinna complains about an obnoxious and possibly libelous article in the Washington Post, the Dorx welcome legal scholar, philosopher, vegan, and animal rights activist Dr. Gary Francione. We discuss Equality Claims vs Belief Claims, old-school transsexuals, admitting you’re wrong, Andrea Dworkin, nonviolence, intersectionality, and the prin…
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For 8 years, Ray Alex Williams claimed to be a woman, zealously promoting transgender ideology, ingesting spirolactone and exogenous estrogen, doing "a lot of twitter activism,” and writing a book about trans philosophy. In May 2023 he socially and medically detransitioned, issuing public apologies shortly thereafter. How did “Rachel Anne Williams”…
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Rosie Kay is a dancer, choreographer, “old-school feminist”, and co-founder of Freedom In The Arts in the UK. Both cancelled and resurrected, she’s also a fascinating and articulate speaker. She joined the Dorx back in November to talk about dance, brains, arts organizations, making controversial work, the “theater of dehumanization,” liberal value…
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Corinna and Nina poke at the dead body of the Gender Critical Movement. Cause of death? Illiberalism, revulsion, femagoguery, the narcissism of small differences, group polarization, junior high social dynamics, Calvinism, puritanism, gaslighting, victimhood as currency, and so much more. Plus, Nina gets diagnosed with Crohn’s disease. Where will t…
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