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Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander

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“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.
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Send us a text You've heard the phrase, "needs no introduction." Well, our final guest of Season 3 truly fits the bill—Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser joins us for an inspiring conversation about leading through turbulent times, serving others, and making the most of every moment. If you’re only tuning in for one episode this season (and we know that’s a rea…
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Send us a text What happens when you get three Gleasons who play tuba in the same ArtLess episode? Chaos. Pure, brass-fueled chaos. Fortunately, we’re joined by the ever-talented Matt Pivec, who brings not only his impressive musical accomplishments but also a touchdown story you truly have to hear to believe. Matt shares insights on balancing mult…
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Send us a text Show Notes: A week late, you say? So is our comedic and musical timing. You know who does have great timing? Dr. John Lynch, Director of Bands at UW-Stevens Point. It was a real treat to hear about his musical journey—one that’s taken him all around the globe (literally). In this episode, Dr. Lynch shares his perspective on cultural …
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Send us a text There are leaders and there are followers. Thankfully, Fran Kick joins us this week to lead us through a delightful conversation. Granted, Peter, Phil and Chris DO get lost multiple times but Fran gracefully get us back on track. Check out Fran's amazing videos, resources, and books including the "Have to, Get to, Want to" video and …
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Send us a text We saved the best for last. Enjoy our final interview from our Midwest 2024 booth. This interview features our good friend Owen. Where is he from? Don't know. What does he do? Not sure? What does he look like? Don't have a picture. Was he fun to interview? YES - in fact, he was amazing! Too bad you won't get to hear it. We know we co…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text Phil asked one truly insightful question—alongside a few not-so-great ones—but we’re incredibly proud of how much he’s grown. Peter made an impressive comeback in PPTD, while Chris continues to meet challenges head-on (bless his heart). This week’s guest is the complete opposite of your usual hosts—thoughtful, intelligent, kind, and …
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Send us a text Maybe Chris should learn how to take notes. Maybe Peter should learn how to arrange travel for guests. Maybe Phil should learn how to interview. Our guest Dr. Laura Dunbar can do all of these things better than our hosts and is also a world class educator! Dr. Dunbar is head of music education studies at UW Eau Claire and also coordi…
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Send us a text It’s hard to mess up a podcast when you have a guest like Omar Thomas. In this episode, we talk with Omar about his incredibly busy and creative schedule, the release of his new album Griot Songs, and the behind-the-scenes process of recording it with the Omar Thomas Large Ensemble. Omar reflects on his compositional approach, the ar…
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Send us a text March Madness is in full swing and our guest is providing us all the knowledge our commuter will ever need about Gonzaga basketball. Bill Drury shares with us about his career as Associate Director of Wind Ensembles at New England Conservatory. And also his journey to NEC by way of the railroad, parking valet attendant and more. Not …
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Send us a text Join us this week as we learn from a young teacher who is much brighter than we are! Mickaela Pasch is a recent Concordia grad changing lives all around the state of Minnesota. Intentional, passionate, a volunteer, and visionary in music education (all the things we are not), Mickaela has so many gifts to share with our audience abou…
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Send us a text This week, Eric Songer steps in for Phil, delivering a strong performance as co-host. After helping Peter tackle a minor wardrobe noise issue, we dive into a fantastic conversation with Dr. Mary Land, Associate Professor of Music Education at Western Michigan University. We explore her journey in music education, the power of communi…
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Send us a text It's a BIG week for this below-average podcast! We wrap up our "Inquiring Teens Want to Know" segment (big thanks to Edina HS) and finally put the "What Would Phil and Peter Do" (WWPPD) segment to rest. As if that wasn't enough, our guest Michael Kasper knocks it out of the park, answering poorly conceived questions with brilliance. …
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Send us a text The Lutheran Mafia has strong representation in this week’s episode! We visit with Dr. Henry Dorn from St. Olaf College and get to hear his southern flare mixed with Midwest appreciation for the cold weather. As usual, Haberman talks too much, Gleason adds in sound effects, and Ostrander sputters sentence fragments. Listen in as we t…
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Send us a text That’s it. We’re officially done… with WWPPD. But wait—there’s more good news! This week, we’re joined by the incredible Rachel Maxwell, a renowned middle school music educator and band director from Traughber Junior High in Oswego, IL. We dive into her journey from budding musician to leading her band at the prestigious Midwest Band…
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Send us a text Show Notes: Learn more about our guests here: JoAnne Harris Alex Tedrow Audio Credits: Flickers by Alex Tedrow, JMU Symphonic Band - Oct. 24, 2023 JMU Symphonic Band Chris DeVona, conductor Audio Recording by Tom Carr https://youtu.be/Xtwweofwo6I?si=2STuOwqyhPJkdl3A 1. NEW - Rising Music Educator Project (RMEP) - Deadline to Apply Fe…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text Perhaps the name of the podcast should be changed to “folks smarter than Chris, Phil and Peter.” Dr. Jamal Rossi has been Dean of the Eastman School of Music for the last decade and has worked as an administrator at some of the country’s finest schools of music. Trained as a classical saxophonist, Dr. Rossi quickly transitioned into …
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text Beyond Artless has gone international! This week, we are expanding our horizons with Nacho Piqueras from Oros Travel & Culture. A friend of Peter’s and a music enthusiast, Nacho enjoys connecting people from different cultures through musical and travel experiences that create win-win opportunities for everyone involved. Our conversa…
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Send us a text What does this week's guest have that this podcast will never have? A GRAMMY! That's right, this week's guest is the 2024 GRAMMY Music Educator of the Year, Annie Ray. Annie currently serves as both the Orchestra Director and Performing Arts Department Chair at Annandale High School (AHS) in the Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) sy…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This episode has it all. If all you care about is plastic footwear. Crocs seem to dominate this week’s episode with our guest - 29 year veteran teacher Jason Gillette. Jason is the band director at Marquette University High School and is an extraordinary sax player. Yet another guest is an alumnus of the Disneyland All American Colle…
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Send us a text What better way to start 2025 than with our guest, UW-Madison Associate Director of Bands, Dr. Corey Pompey. Corey shares his journey that has led him to the frigid tundra of Madison, Wisconsin taking the helm of the Badger Marching Band after the storied career of Mike Leckrone. Phil admits to sleeping in Hockey Arenas, Peter admits…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wa…
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Send us a text This week’s podcast features Peter’s spouse and MUCH better half, Erika Tomten. We chat about her eclectic career as a performer, visual artist, director, teacher and more. We discuss the challenges and rewards of pursuing a career in the arts, emphasizing the importance of following one's passion and the impact of community involvem…
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Send us a text What day is it? It's Kevin Day! We had the absolute pleasure of speaking with Kevin about his incredible musical journey so far, the mentors who have shaped him, and where you'll be able to find him at the Midwest Clinic. Kevin shared insights on juggling multiple projects, including the exciting process of creating an opera. We were…
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Send us a text We had to do something to balance the scales - a single guest never stood a chance against three awful hosts. This week we invite two guests at the same time. JoAnne Harris and Carol Brittin Chambers. What followed was a lot LESS talking from the hosts and a lot MORE talking from our guests! What fun to spend an hour with these two a…
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Send us a text Chris, Peter and Phil finally get to the bottom of what is wrong with Gen X. But only with the help of our gen Z guest, Kevin Charoensri. While he has only been composing less than 10 years and he has not even finished his undergraduate degree, his works have been performed all over the country and he has been an artist in residence …
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Send us a text Want to hear your awkward podcast hosts get quizzed by the guest? Want to hear more about how Peter rarely shows up to a gig? Want to buy a T-shirt? How about trombone jokes? Well, this is the episode for you! Dr. Stephen Bolstad joins the crew this week and shares wisdom from a career as a teacher, conductor, and musician. There is …
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Send us a text Good friend and exceptional music educator Steve Sveum joins us this week for a great conversation about his start in music as well as some very special mentors like Bernie Powers, Ron Carter, and more. We talk Jazz at Lincoln Center, Birch Creek Arts Camp, Essentially Ellington, Snug Harbor, Bacon Happy Hour, and even kitchen remode…
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Send us a text Brilliant composer Dana Wilson is one of a kind! In addition, he is one of the kindest guests we have ever had on the podcast. Dana has written for soloists from the Chicago Symphony and also music for young band. Peter, Phil, and Chris try to keep up with our guest and as expected fall well short in that pursuit. Peter can barely ge…
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Send us a text Chris and Peter share stories about their trip to Montana while Phil shares a story about his trombone being seized by TSA. Thankfully Dr. Emily Moss joins us to share her musical journey, the importance of mentorship, and her approach to teaching conducting. We discuss the evolving landscape of music education careers, the challenge…
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Send us a text Dearest commuter, this week Phil and Peter share the same physical location resulting in noticeable tension during the show. Chris realizes that AI can now do podcasts better than this show (not a high bar). Thankfully, Dr. James Weaver, Director of Performing Arts and Sports for the National Federation of High School State Associati…
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Send us a text Try hard not to confuse this episode with a guide for folks over 50 needing help with their vision. Mercifully, our guest saves our hosts from themselves. Bob Baca is a visionary trumpet player, educator and musical leader. Join us as we hear about hot dish, snowmobiles, middle school bands with recording contracts and more. The podc…
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Send us a text Warning, Chris brings up the stinger yet again, Phil is back in his closet, and Peter continues to get hounded, no pun intended, by his dog Louie. Thankfully, Colonel Lowell Graham stops by to share his experiences from his time leading the United States Air Force Band to his passion for motorcycles and soundtracks. He emphasizes the…
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Send us a text Phil is only present for about 10 minutes of this show. Why? You'll just have to listen to find out. Need an even better reason to listen to this week's episode? Gotcha covered! Meet Dr. Peter Gamwell. Peter is an award-winning leader in education and is recognized internationally for his work in advancing creative organizational cul…
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Send us a text Professional wind ensemble, you say? Minnesota Winds has arrived, commuter. This ensemble comes complete with monster musicians, a website second to none and merch that some listeners (Paul Kile) refuse to take off. Listen to the architects of the group Meagan Bachmeyer and Katherine Bergmann talk about not only great performances bu…
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Send us a text This week Jim Stephenson made the unfortunate choice to join us. We talk about his amazing sports career as a youth, how he had to choose between golf or music, and how everything in his life happens by accident. Phil sputters sentence fragrances, Chris gets distracted often, and Peter asks questions that are so long and winding that…
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Send us a text Coming directly from the land of acronyms, our guests this week expanded this podcast's horizons while stretching the hosts' minds (not hard to do). We are thrilled to have you meet two amazing leaders from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction: Dr. Laura Roeker, Director of Teaching and Learning, and Sara Kneuve, Policy Adv…
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Send us a text Yet another episode marred by excessive talking by Peter, poor introductions by Phil and general sleepiness by Chris. Thankfully, our guest compensates for all of our poor hosting. Dr. Cindi Johnson Turner has spent her career successfully guiding musicians at every level – middle schoolers, college students at Cornell University, th…
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