Best Path2Products Podcasts (2026)

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How Metalab does design-led product management with Megan O'Rourke - Head of Product @ Metalab 31:53

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21d ago31:53

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I’m joined by Megan, Executive Director of Product Management at MetaLab, who brings nearly a decade of experience working across dozens of products and teams. In this conversation, we cut through the noise and get to the fundamentals: alignment, communication, prioritization, problem-solving, and understanding users at a deep level. If you’ve ever…

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How Klaviyo is Redefining B2C CRM, Services, and AI with Grant Deken, Head of Product of Klaviyo Services 31:14

5M ago31:14

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🎙️ Episode Title: How Klaviyo is Redefining B2C CRM, Services, and AI with Grant Deken 🧑‍💼 Guest: Grant Deken – Head of Product, Klaviyo Services 📅 Episode Overview: In this episode of Lessons in Product Management, host John Fontenot sits down with Grant Deken, Head of Product at Klaviyo Services, to explore how Klaviyo is reimagining customer rel…

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How to stop Sales from selling vaporware 10:17

5M ago10:17

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🎙 Episode Summary Host: John Fontenot Topic: How to stop sales teams from selling vaporware (promising unbuilt features) 💡 Core Problem Sales teams often promise features that don't yet exist (a.k.a. vaporware) to close deals. This creates chaos for product and engineering, derails the roadmap, and sets poor expectations with customers. 🧩 Why It Ha…

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Upleveling your PM career w/ Shobhit Chugh - CEO of Intentional Product Manager 29:33

7M ago29:33

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In this episode, Shobhit Chugh, former Google PM and founder of Intentional Product Manager, shares practical strategies for moving beyond execution and becoming a standout product leader—even when you don’t have formal authority or a supportive manager. 🔑 Key Takeaways 1. Don’t Mistake Productivity for Progress Just being busy doesn’t mean you’re …

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Bridging the Gap Between Product Management & Product Marketing with Daria Love, Director of Product Marketing at the Trans.eu Group 47:28

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🔑 Summary: In this insightful conversation, Daria Love unpacks the often-blurred boundaries between product marketing and product management. She shares practical frameworks for collaboration, the importance of go-to-market (GTM) roadmaps, and how product managers and marketers can set each other (and the product) up for success. The episode is pac…

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How AI is impacting the PM role w/ Irene Yu - Founder & CEO of Skiplevel 48:08

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🎙️ Guest: Irene Yu Founder & CEO of SkipLevel – a company helping PMs become more technical without needing to code. Skiplevel article on how AI is changing the PM role 🔑 Key Topics & Timestamps [00:00 - 02:25] Irene's BackgroundIrene shares her transition from software engineer to starting SkipLevel. [02:26 - 04:45] Identifying the Technical GapsH…

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Becoming a T-Shaped Product Manager 13:10

8M ago13:10

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Summary: In this episode of Lessons in Product Management, John discusses the importance of developing into a T-shaped product manager — someone who has deep expertise in one area but broad knowledge across many disciplines. He explains how the expectations of PMs are evolving, particularly with the rise of generative AI, and gives tactical advice …

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How PMs Can Improve Working & Communicating with Engineers w/ Paul Lunow, Head of Technology and Innovation at XU Sustainable 27:54

10M ago27:54

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Lessons in Product Management - Working & Communicating with Engineers Guest: Paul Lunow Host: John Doe Episode Duration: ~28 min [00:00 - 01:37] Introduction John welcomes Paul Lunow to the podcast. Paul previously hosted John on Product and Cake. Background on Paul’s 20-year career in tech. [01:37 - 04:05] Paul’s Background in Product & Engineeri…

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Post-Launch PM with Megan Shulby - Assoc. Director of Technical Product Management @ AT&T 26:33

10M ago26:33

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Podcast Summary: Megan Shulby on Post-Launch Product ManagementIntroduction & Megan’s Background 01:24 - 02:01 – Megan Shulby is introduced; she and John connected via LinkedIn due to her content on underrated product management topics. 02:01 - 04:39 – Megan shares her journey from Hollywood entertainment (e.g., The Biggest Loser) to digital market…

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Will Gen AI Consolidate the PM and UX Roles? 15:04

10M ago15:04

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Episode Summary: In this episode, John Fontenot explores a thought-provoking topic: the potential consolidation of Product Management (PM) and User Experience (UX) roles due to advancements in Generative AI. He examines the overlap between these two disciplines, the evolving responsibilities of PMs and UX designers, and how organizations may react …

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How can PMs survive getting stuck in a waterfall 13:02

11M ago13:02

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In this episode ofLessons in Product Management, host John Fontenot tackles a listener's question:How can a product manager succeed in a waterfall environment? He acknowledges that while Agile is often the preferred framework, many industries and organizations still operate in waterfall models, making adaptability key. Fontenot offers two approache…

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Why the pressure to constantly ship new features? 16:55

11M ago16:55

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Do you feel constantly pressured to ship new features? Do you get the space you need for proper discovery? Most Product Managers feel this pressure, and I was recently asked on LinkedIn why this is the case. What about our company cultures or human nature drives this desire for more new stuff? In this episode, I attempt to break down the top 3 reas…

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Why the best Product Managers are NOT perfectionists 6:14

12M ago6:14

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On today's Lesson in Product Management, this one is for the perfectionists out there. If you consider yourself a "creative" or an artist, you might be tempted to hide your work until you deem it "perfect" - but that could be hurting you more than you know. On this episode we break down why perfectionism hurts you and those around you and ultimatel…

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Why product marketers hate product managers 11:02

12M ago11:02

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It's easy to get overly focused on "doing your job" as a product manager. Unfortunately, we risk taking too narrow of a view of what our job actually is. When it comes to working with PMMs (product marketing managers), it's no different. And it's about time we start treating them like partners rather than someone we throw releases over the wall to …

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Why "leaning into your strengths as a PM" is a trap 9:04

1y ago9:04

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Some of the greatest leaders and leadership authors have given the advice to "Lean into your strengths." This idea makes sense in some instances. In other cases, it can handicap your career and growth trajectory. If you want to get into product management and challenge yourself to gain much needed PM experience, join a growing community of 1,000+ a…

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Leading Product in regulated industries with Bob Ainsbury, Chief Product Officer at Granicus 30:10

1y ago30:10

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On today’s episode, I got to chat with Bob Ainsbury, Chief Product Officer at Granicus. Bob is a long-time Product leader who has had a winding journey from engineering to sales and marketing leadership to leading strategy and now in the C-suite as a Product executive. For most of Bob’s career, he’s been in highly regulated spaces like Healthcare a…

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Creating win/win relationships with your stakeholders 10:23

1y ago10:23

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What is your relationship like with your stakeholders? If you're not treating them like partners, I can promise you it's not great. In this episode, we share how to build great relationships with your "stakeholders" and create win/win relationships that stop making stakeholders feel like blockers to your desired progress. If you're looking to get i…

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When process kills progress - a story about Scrum 8:04

1y ago8:04

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On today's lesson in product management, John Fontenot shares a recent story about his experience working in a Scrum shop and how the rigid interpretation of Scrum almost killed his ability to ship a critical integration on time. If you're interested in entering product management and want to gain the hands-on experience you need to make that leap,…

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Bring me problems. Don't bring me solutions. 9:34

1y ago9:34

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The difference between regular managers and product managers... Regular manager: "Don't bring me problems. Bring me solutions!" Product Manager: "Don't bring me solutions. Bring me problems" It's our job to care more about the problem driving the request for a solution than the solution itself. But it can be hard navigating those conversations with…

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Should product managers have side projects while employed? 20:35

1y ago20:35

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Key Takeaways Side projects offer valuable experience for aspiring PMs and an outlet for creativity/ownership for employed PMs Benefits include mental health, skill development, and potential innovation Time management and prioritizing core job responsibilities are crucial when pursuing side projects Companies like Google (20% time) demonstrate the…

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The tension between research and shipping products 38:26

1y ago38:26

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Hello and welcome in to another episode of Lessons in Product Management, I’m your host, John Fontenot, and on today’s episode I have Paul Turaew on to talk about his journey into product management and we riff on a number of topics in research. Paul’s a long-time PM, having held a variety of Sr. IC and Director of Product Management roles in Healt…

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How to conduct research for internal products with Stephanie Jerome - Product Manager at Okoya 24:16

1+ y ago24:16

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On today’s episode, I got to speak with Stephanie Jerome, Product Manager at Akoya. Stephanie has a ton of experience managing internal products, and that was the focus of our conversation today. Stephanie also shared how she got her start in product management and lessons she’s learned along the way. If you’re managing or considering managing inte…

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SLG better than PLG?! What research says with Emilia Korczynska, Head of Marketing at Userpilot 30:07

1+ y ago30:07

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On today’s episode, we have Emilia Kortrynska, Head of Marketing at UserPilot. In the discussion with Emilia, we talk about some incredibly interesting research that came out of UserPilot recently about how Sales Led Growth appears to beat Product Led Growth in many categories. Which to PLG evangelists like myself, really caught me off guard. But w…

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Why you should never pay for customer interviews 20:45

1+ y ago20:45

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It's a hotly debated topic, whether you should always pay customers for their time when sourcing and conducting interviews. Spoiler alert! I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice if you make it a habit of paying customers for feedback. In this episode, we unpack all the reasons why you should never pay customers for interviews and the benef…

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The Catch 22 of User Interview Prep 14:29

1+ y ago14:29

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There are pros and cons to preparing for user research. As they say, too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. And the same is true with prepping for research. On this episode, we break down the benefits of user interview preparation and the potential drawbacks if you let perfection become the enemy of progress. If you're looking to get into pro…

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We're back! Thanks for sticking with us. 5:13

1+ y ago5:13

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After taking a year off to focus on work and life, we're back and excited to be back! We've been building ResearchRepo for Product teams to collaborate, consolidate, and communicate research that ties back to company goals and objectives. I've started a new role as VP of Product at Terlumina But we're doubling down on Path2Product to help aspiring …

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Navigating Layoffs - Advice from a Director of Product 37:06

2+ y ago37:06

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This is a crazy and turbulent time in Tech. Companies are hitting financial hard times or restructuring as the economy is forcing extreme prioritization of resources. If you find yourself on the unfortunate end of these layoffs, I have someone on the show who has been through several and helped several others through this process. Don't miss the gr…

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Pricing - What You Wish You Knew - with Dan Balcauski 58:02

2+ y ago58:02

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Dan Balcauski is a pricing expert and dropped by the pod to share key insights, hot takes, and practical advice for product teams and leaders to help unpack the pricing process, key variables, and mistakes to avoid. Show notes: 0:00-0:30 - Episode Intro 0:30-1:55 - Dan’s Intro/Background 1:55-4:55 - From Engineer to Pricing Guru 4:55-6:42 - Biggest…

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What's Missing In Prioritization Frameworks? 17:52

3y ago17:52

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There are great frameworks for prioritizing features, but what if prioritizing features isn't the right approach? We dig into why opportunity costs are the most underrated variables in prioritizing Product decisions. If you're looking to get into product management, come join us at Path2Product to gain the hands-on PM experience you need to land yo…

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5 Key Elements of Successful Product Launches with Derek Osgood - Founder and CEO of Ignition 24:59

3y ago24:59

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This week's lesson in product management is brought to you by Derek Osgood, Founder and CEO of Ignition. If your product launches are less than ideal, you should listen to what Derek has to say. Even if you're launches go well, there are great tips on how to optimization the success of your launches. 0:00-0:32 - Podcast intro 0:32-2:30 - Derek’s In…

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Product Management Essentials - Part 3 - Drafting Product Strategy 7:08

3y ago7:08

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As you wrap up the last 30 days of your 30, 60, 90-day onboarding, it's time to start drafting strategy. In this episode I break down how to do that with a simple framework and how to shrink the timeline if you don't have 90 days to get it done in a new position. Here's the episode with Randal Whitmore Here's the link to the product strategy develo…

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When ideation is a waste of time 8:02

3y ago8:02

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Many answers to the question of "why do you want to be a product manager" have some variation of "ideation." While ideation and solutioning are definitely part of product management, it's by far NOT the most important thing to get right. If you're looking to get into product management, join us at Path2Product to streamline your path to product man…

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When should you respond to competitive pressure? 7:54

3y ago7:54

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Story time - your competitor launched a feature. They’re making a bunch of noise on all the social channels. An influencers Tie Tok of the new thing went viral. Your execs are screaming that you need to respond. As the Product Manager, what do you do? That's exactly the scenario we'll unpack on this week's lesson in product management.…

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PM hiring is broken and how to fix it with Andrew Bowker, Senior Product Manager @ IBM 48:42

3y ago48:42

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Andrew and I both had non-traditional paths into product management, and we've both experienced and seen how broken the talent acquisition process is for aspiring PMs. On this episode, you'll hear a passionate discussion of what problems we've noticed and some fun banter on how we'd fix the problem.

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How To Product Manage Expansion Into New Markets with Luke and Jakub, PMs at GetResponse 25:17

3y ago25:17

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On this episode of Lessons in Product Management, I sat down with Luke and Jakub from GetResponse as they shared their experiences launching products into new markets, what it takes to do it successfully, how to test into it, and how partnerships can be great and complicated at the same time.

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Product Manager Anti-Patterns (Ego) w/ Eva Beasley, Product Manager at UIPath 18:10

3y ago18:10

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On today's episode, Eva Beasley shares her experience before and after getting into Product Management. One of the things she noticed about some of the PMs she interacted with was an anti-pattern that needed to be addressed, so we did so here. If you're looking to get into Product Management, join us on Path2Product where we're bridging the gap in …

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Path to Product Leadership w/ Eric Perkins - Director of Product @ Entrata 30:30

3+ y ago30:30

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Eric Perkins is the Director of Product at Entrata. And as Eric describes his career, it feels like he has a rocket attached to his back. In this discussion, Eric and I talk through how he got into product management, how he quickly rose into a leadership role, and what he's learned along the way. Connect with Eric and follow him on Medium: https:/…

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Solving Product Growth w/ Etienne Garbugli - Founder & CEO of Lean B2B 27:37

3+ y ago27:37

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On today's episode, I had the immense pleasure of speaking with Etienne Garbugli, Founder & CEO of Lean B2B and Author of Lean B2B, Solving Product, and Find Your Market. Etienne is a brilliant product thinker and author with a varied and diverse background, all in and around product management. Etienne joined me to shed light on the Growth section…

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5 Immutable Truths of Great Product Management 22:19

3+ y ago22:19

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On today's episode, we have JJ Rorie, CEO of Great Product Management and Author of 5 Immutable Truths of Great Product Management, and you're in for a treat! Don't miss out on this great episode as we dive deep into building high customer intelligence, the first Immutable Truth of Great Product Management If you're looking to land your first job a…

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ML's Impact on Product Management Careers w/ Gopal Erinjippurath 19:11

3+ y ago19:11

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On today's episode, we have Gopal Erinjippurath, Founder, CTO, and Head of Product at Sust Global. Gopal and I talked about: His product career The lifecycle of AI/ML Best use cases for Data Science and ML in products And how ML might impact your career in product management Connect with Gopal on LinkedIn…

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Building Strong Product Team Dynamics w/ Nico 19:03

3+ y ago19:03

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Nico joined the show to share his advice and experience on building strong product team relationships. If you're looking to get into product management, you'll need experience. Start gaining tangible product manager experience today on your Path2Product 0:00-0:52 - Episode Intro 0:52-2:08 - Introducing Nico 2:08-4:20 - Defining Team Building 4:20-1…

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Transitioning Intro Product Management w/ Larry Imgrund - Product Manager at Khoros 22:51

3+ y ago22:51

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Making the transition into product management can be hard. Larry Imgrund shares how he did it, and he offers advice for anyone looking to get into Product or anyone who has recently made that transition. If you're looking to get into product management, join us at Path2Product to start gaining the experience you need to land your first PM job: Path…

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User-Driven Roadmaps w/ Matt Young - CEO of UserVoice 21:36

3+ y ago21:36

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Should users or customers drive your roadmap decisions? The answer is yes AND no. Like everything in product management, it depends... and Matt and I dive deep into the topic. If you want to get into product management, join us at Path2Product to get the experience and visibility you need to land your first product job. Check out UserVoice and star…

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Essentials of Product Management Part 2 - Customer and Market Research 7:49

3+ y ago7:49

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On this episode, we get "out of the building" to start learning about our customers and the markets we serve and want to serve. After understanding your business, objectives, and strategy, this is the next step before being ready enough to start mapping out a strategic direction for your team or organization. If you're looking to get into product m…

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Product Management Essentials - Part 1 - Business Acumen 9:40

3+ y ago9:40

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Getting back to the basics of product management, my goal in this multi-part series is to demystify product management for new and aspiring product managers. If you're looking to break into product management, join us at Path2Product where you'll gain the experience you need to land your first product management job.…

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Never Assume - Cross Over Episode w/ JJ Rorie CEO of Great Product Management and Host of the Product Voices Podcast - Part 2 22:55

3+ y ago22:55

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On this cross-over episode, I joined JJ Rorie's Product Voices Podcast to share the last 5 chapters of my book, Never Assume - Ten Fatal Assumptions Great PMs Never Make Be sure to subscribe to the Product Voices Podcast and follow JJ on Twitter at her handle above. If you're looking to get into product management, come join us at Path2Product If y…

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Never Assume Crossover Episode w/ JJ Rorie, CEO of Great Product Management and Host of the Product Voices Podcast - Part 1 25:32

3+ y ago25:32

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On this cross-over episode, I joined JJ Rorie's Product Voices Podcast to share the first 5 chapters of my book, Never Assume - Ten Fatal Assumptions Great PMs Never Make Be sure to subscribe to the Product Voices Podcast and follow JJ on Twitter at her handle above. If you're looking to get into product management, come join us at Path2Product If …

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How To Become A More Technical Product Manager with Irene Yu - Founder and CEO of Skiplevel 26:40

3+ y ago26:40

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So, today, I’m really excited for you to hear this conversation, because I have Irene Yu, Founder of Skiplevel, joining me to talk about how to become technical as a product manager. Irene was formally a developer at Amazon where she uncovered a pretty big problem that Skiplevel is helping to tackle. Join Skip Level: Skiplevel Course Follow Skip Le…

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Product Manager Symptoms and Effects of Ego with Tony Poon - Chief Product Officer at R-Zero 24:42

3+ y ago24:42

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On today's episode, we have the pleasure of learning from Tony Poon, Chief Product Officer at R-Zero. We tackle the difficult topic of ego, where it comes from, what the symptoms are, and what the effects of ego come to be. To connect with Tony, request to connect on LinkedIn If you're an aspiring PM, check out Path2Product to help you on your jour…

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Why Great Product Managers Never Argue 10:10

3+ y ago10:10

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Great PMs are like sponges, they soak in info from anywhere We can’t assume we’re always right, we don’t have all information, and the info we have is not always perfect or correct We need allies - we can’t ship successful products on our own However: We should have an opinion - we just don’t always have to express it in an argumentative fashion Th…