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AI is reshaping infrastructure, strategy, and entire industries. Host Conor Bronsdon talks to the engineers, founders, and researchers building breakthrough AI systems about what it actually takes to ship AI in production, where the opportunities lie, and how leaders should think about the strategic bets ahead. Chain of Thought translates technical depth into actionable insights for builders and decision-makers. New episodes bi-weekly. Conor Bronsdon is an angel investor in AI and dev tools, ...
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336: The parts of the software development life cycle that can't be automated by AI (with OutSystems' Woodson Martin)
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21:22In this episode, Jenna interviews Woodson Martin, CEO of OutSystems, about how AI only really assists with a portion of the software development life cycle. They discuss: The areas that will still require a human touch The evolution of the developer role and how success should be measured differently The bottlenecks that still exist even with AI-as…
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The Future of AI Development: Gemini, Robotics & Space | Google DeepMind's Paige Bailey
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50:52Google DeepMind is reshaping the AI landscape with an unprecedented wave of releases—from Gemini 3 to robotics and even data centers in space. Paige Bailey, AI Developer Relations Lead at Google DeepMind, joins us to break down the full Google AI ecosystem. From her unique journey as a geophysicist-turned-AI-leader who helped ship GitHub Copilot, t…
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338: The challenges of open source projects being abandoned (with Chainguard's Dan Lorenc)
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16:36In this episode, Dave interviews Dan Lorenc, CEO and co-founder of Chainguard, about what happens when open source projects are abandoned. They discuss: How to figure out if a project has been abandoned The role of companies in sponsoring open source projects How foundations play a role in maintaining projects…
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337: Using the power of community and mentorship to navigate the age of AI (Guidance Counselor 2.0)
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58:44Dave Rubinstein was recently a guest on Torc's Guidance Counselor 2.0 live stream, and we're sharing that conversation with you here. Listen in to this special episode to learn about how community and mentorship are more important than ever as AI adoption continues.By SD Times
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Explaining Eval Engineering | Galileo's Vikram Chatterji
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37:14You've heard of evaluations—but eval engineering is the difference between AI that ships and AI that's stuck in prototype. Most teams still treat evals like unit tests: write them once, check a box, move on. But when you're deploying agents that make real decisions, touch real customers, and cost real money, those one-time tests don't cut it. The c…
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REPLAY: How cognitive fatigue impacts developer productivity (with Gradle's Hans Dockter)
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16:16This episode was originally broadcast in April 2024, and includes discussions that are still relevant to developers today, so we are publishing it again. --- In this episode, SD Times Editor-in-Chief David Rubinstein discusses how cognitive fatigue is compounding the software productivity problem. His guest is Hans Dockter, CEO at Gradle Inc. and l…
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Debunking AI's Environmental Panic | Andy Masley
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59:02AI is destroying the planet—or so we've been told. This week on Chain of Thought, we tackle one of the most persistent and misleading narratives in the AI conversation. Andy Masley, Director of Effective Altruism DC, joins host Conor Bronsdon to fact-check the absurd AI environmental claims you've heard at parties, in articles, and even in bestsell…
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The Critical Infrastructure Behind the AI Boom | Cisco CPO Jeetu Patel
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1:18:10AI is accelerating at a breakneck pace, but model quality isn’t the only constraint we face.. There are major infrastructure requirements, energy needs, security, and data pipelines to run AI at scale. This week on Chain of Thought, Cisco’s President and Chief Product Officer Jeetu Patel joins host Conor Bronsdon to reveal what it actually takes to…
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335: The development skills required for building software-defined vehicles (with QNX's Justin Moon)
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17:12In this episode, Dave interviews Justin Moon, vice president of Core Product Engineering at BlackBerry QNX, providers of a real-time OS for embedded systems. They discuss: How QNX is working to close the development skills gap for SDVs How developers manage complexity in vehicle software designs The commercial challenges for autonomous vehicle hard…
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Beyond Transformers: Maxime Labonne on Post-Training, Edge AI, and the Liquid Foundation Model Breakthrough
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52:30The transformer architecture has dominated AI since 2017, but it’s not the only approach to building LLMs - and new architectures are bringing LLMs to edge devices Maxime Labonne, Head of Post-Training at Liquid AI and creator of the 67,000+ star LLM Course, joins Conor Bronsdon to challenge the AI architecture status quo. Liquid AI’s hybrid archit…
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334: A developer's Hippocratic Oath in the age of AI (with Sonatype's Mitchell Johnson)
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17:01In this episode, Dave interviews Mitchell Johnson, chief product development officer at Sonatype, about the notion of a Hippocratic Oath for developers, where you do no harm to the codebase, and how AI is impacting that. They discuss: The responsibility a developer has to keeping their codebase healthy whenever they add a new feature How being able…
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333: What vibe coding means for the future of citizen development and entrepreneurship (with Block's Angie Jones)
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13:57In this episode, Dave interviews Angie Jones, VP of engineering for AI Tools & Enablement at the financial services company Block. They discuss: How AI is empowering a new wave of developers from non-traditional roles The importance of feeding AI models and agents important business context Block's coding agent Goose…
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332: Knative graduates from CNCF (with Knative maintainer Dave Protasowski)
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18:47In this episode, Dave interviews Dave Protasowski, a member of the steering committee for Knative, about the project's recent graduation from the CNCF. They discuss: An overview of what Knative does The history of the project at the CNCF What's in store for Knative in the futureBy SD Times
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331: How Spotify created its own AI tool, AiKA, to improve developer productivity (with Spotify's Pia Nilsson)
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13:53In this episode, Jenna interviews Pia Nilsson, senior director of engineering at Spotify, about the company's decision to make its own AI tool to improve developer productivity. They discuss: Why they built their own tool instead of using something that already exists How developers are using it day-to-day How AI is shaping developer culture at Spo…
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330: Code quality + security shouldn't be separate concerns (with Aikido Security's Khachatur Virabyan)
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11:55In this episode, Jenna interviews Khachatur Virabyan, head of code quality at Aikido Security, about why code quality and security should be addressed together. They discuss: The differences in definitions for code quality and security How clean code could still have vulnerabilities The impact AI coding will have on code quality and security…
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Architecting AI Agents: The Shift from Models to Systems | Aishwarya Srinivasan, Fireworks AI Head of AI Developer Relations
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53:25Most AI agents are built backwards, starting with models instead of system architecture. Aishwarya Srinivasan, Head of AI Developer Relations at Fireworks AI, joins host Conor Bronsdon to explain the shift required to build reliable agents: stop treating them as model problems and start architecting them as complete software systems. Benchmarks alo…
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329: The impact of AI on ASPM (with ArmorCode's Mark Lambert)
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The accidental algorithm: Melisa Russak, AI research scientist at WRITER
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21:09This week, we're doing something special and sharing an episode from another podcast we love: The Humans of AI by our friends at Writer. We're huge fans of their work, and you might remember Writer's CEO, May Habib, from the inaugural episode of our own show. From The Humans of AI: Learn how Melisa Russak, lead research scientist at WRITER, stumble…
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328: What you should know about Shai-Hulud and its impact on npm (with Chainguard's Dan Lorenc)
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10:06In this episode, Jenna interviews Dan Lorenc, CEO of Chainguard, about the Shai-Hulud worm that has made its way through the npm ecosystem. They discuss: What Shai-Hulud is and why it's so bad Security measures GitHub plans to implement in npm Best practices to follow to mitigate risk
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If Code Generation is Solved What's Next? | Graphite’s Greg Foster
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54:39The incredible velocity of AI coding tools has shifted the critical bottleneck in software development from code generation to code reviews. Greg Foster, Co-Founder & CTO of Graphite, joins the conversation to explore this new reality, outlining the three waves of AI that are leading to autonomous agents spawning pull requests in the background. He…
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327: Failure is a key part of AI experimentation (with Planview's Alan Manuel)
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13:50In this episode, Dave interviews Alan Manuel, group VP of product management for platform and AI at Planview. They discuss: Why AI requires a different mindset than other technology adoption Setting realistic expectations for AI Why it's important to focus on the outcome, not the features
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326: Using AI to modernize legacy code (with R Systems' Neeraj Abhyankar)
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10:42In this episode, Dave interviews Neeraj Abhyankar, vice president and practice head of Data, Analytics, and Generative AI at R Systems. They discuss: The role of AI in modernization The evolution of AI throughout technology history The importance of "human in the loop" when working with AIBy SD Times
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Vercel's Playbook for AI Agents: From Vibe Check to Production | Malte Ubl
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54:24What’s the first step to building an enterprise-grade AI tool? Malte Ubl, CTO of Vercel, joins us this week to share Vercel’s playbook for agents, explaining how agents are a new type of software for solving flexible tasks. He shares how Vercel's developer-first ecosystem, including tools like the AI SDK and AI Gateway, is designed to help teams mo…
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325: The impact of AI on digital transformation (with Google's Andi Gutmans)
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17:16In this episode, Dave interviews Andi Gutmans, VP and general manager of Data Cloud at Google. They discuss: How AI can help with data management How AI tools have matured and are now more accessible for late adopters The work Google is doing with AI This episode originally aired 7/31/2025 on Get With IT.…
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324: QA management in an AI world (with Sembi's Judy Bossi)
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14:15In this episode, Dave interviews Judy Bossi, VP of product management at Sembi, about the importance of QA in AI integration. They discuss: Predictions for how QA will evolve alongside AI Ensuring executives see the business value in QA The challenges in ensuring security and safety when integrating AI into the software development life cycle…
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From Demo to Defensibility: How to Build an AI Business that Lasts | Aurimas Griciūnas
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51:46The technological moat is eroding in the AI era, what new factors separate a successful startup from the rest? Aurimas Griciūnas, CEO of SwirlAI, joins the show to break down the realities of building in this new landscape. Startup success now hinges on speed, strong financial backing, or immediate distribution. Aurimas warns against the critical m…
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323: AI agents need transparency and trust to be successful (with Creatio's Burley Kawasaki)
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13:31In this episode, Dave interviews Burley Kawasaki, global VP of product marketing and strategy at no-code CRM platform Creatio. They discuss: The cautious adoption of AI in the workplace due to trust issues The need for transparency and visibility into AI decision-making processes How to balance innovation with security and compliance…
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Mindset Over Metrics: How to Approach AI Engineering | Hamel Husain
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42:09As we enter the era of the AI engineer, the biggest challenge isn't technical - it's a shift in mindset. Hamel Husain, a leading AI consultant and luminary in the eval space, joins the podcast to explore the skills and processes needed to build reliable AI. Hamel explains why many teams relying on vanity dashboards and a "buffet of metrics" experie…
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322: What to consider before selecting AI tooling (with Instabase's Anant Bhardwaj)
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18:34In this episode, Jenna interviews Anant Bhardwaj, CEO and founder of Instabase, about what factors to consider before purchasing an AI tool. They discuss: Why it's important to start with the problem you have and work backwards Making sure agentic AI fits in with the rest of the existing systems Planning for long-term use…
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How AI Velocity is Rewriting the Rules for Engineering Leaders | ChatPRD's Claire Vo
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42:55What if your next competitor is not a startup, but a solo builder on a side project shipping features faster than your entire team? For Claire Vo, that's not a hypothetical. As the founder of ChatPRD, formerly the Chief Product and Technology Officer at LaunchDarkly, and host of the How I AI podcast, she has a unique vantage point on the driving fo…
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321: Bridging the gap between AI tools and Kubernetes with kagent (with solo.io's Idit Levine)
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14:16In this episode originally published on Get With IT, Dave interviews Idit Levine, founder and CEO of solo.io, about kagent, a framework for running agents in Kubernetes. They discuss: Why kagent was created What led solo.io to open source the project and donate it to the CNCF Difficulties with deploying AI agents in large organizations…
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Building an AI-Native Startup | GrowthX's Marcel Santilli
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23:53How do you build an AI-native company to a $7M run rate in just six months? According to Marcel Santilli, Founder and CEO of GrowthX, the secret isn't chasing the next frontier model, it's mastering the "messy middle." Drawing on his deep experience at Scale AI and Deepgram, Marcel joins host Conor Bronsdon to share his framework for building durab…
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320: Creating a culture for AI experimentation (with LaunchDarkly's Jenn Wei)
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14:55In this episode, Dave interviews Jenn Wei, senior vice president of product at LaunchDarkly. They discuss: The importance of creating a culture for AI experimentation Needing to shift from building features to managing dynamic learning systems The role of leadership in driving innovationBy SD Times
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Can AI Fix Healthcare? | Corti's Andreas Cleve
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47:11AI isn't just changing healthcare; it's providing the essential help needed to unlock a trillion-dollar opportunity for better care. Andreas Cleve, CEO & Co-founder of Corti, steps in to shed light on AI's immense, yet often misunderstood, transformative potential in this high-stakes environment. Andreas refutes the narrative of healthcare being sl…
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319: Rules and guardrails for AI coding assistants (with Continue's Brian Douglas)
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15:40In this episode, Dave interviews Brian Douglas, head of developer experience at Continue, about the importance of rules for AI tools. They discuss: How to implement rules for AI assistants Using rules to replace lengthy prompts Preventing technical debt when using AI-generated codeBy SD Times
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Mastering Multi-Agent Systems | MongoDB’s Mikiko Chandrasekhar
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40:23AI agents offer unprecedented power, but mastering agent reliability is the ultimate challenge for agentic systems to actually work in production. Mikiko Chandrashekar, Staff Developer Advocate at MongoDB, whose background spans the entire data-to-AI pipeline, unveils MongoDB's vision as the memory store for agents, supporting complex multi-agent s…
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318: How developer advocacy fuels product growth (with DigitalOcean's Wade Wegner)
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15:04In this episode, Jenna interviews Wade Wegner, chief ecosystem and growth officer at DigitalOcean, about the importance of developer advocacy. They discuss: The relationship among developer advocacy, developer relations, and technology evangelism Effective strategies for engaging with developers Metrics to track to know that advocacy is contributin…
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The AI Agent Trust Gap: Bridging Risk to Reliability | Elastic’s Philipp Krenn
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44:11The age of ubiquitous AI agents is here, bringing immense potential - and unprecedented risk. Hosts Conor Bronsdon and Vikram Chatterji open the episode by discussing the urgent need for building trust and reliability into next-generation AI agents. Vikram unveils Galileo's free AI reliability platform for agents, featuring Luna 2 SLMs for real-tim…
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317: Using HOPrS to verify that images and videos are real and unedited (with OpenOrigins' Manny Ahmed)
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9:31In this episode, Jenna interviews Dr. Manny Ahmed, co-founder and CEO of OpenOrigins, the company behind Human-Oriented Proof System (HOPrS), which can be used to determine if an image or video has been altered or is AI-generated. They discuss: How it works and how it differs from other tools that try to do this How it can be used to address concer…
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Architecting Reliable Agentic AI | Cisco’s Giovanna Carofiglio on the AGNTCY Collective
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41:02The Internet of Agents is rapidly taking shape, necessitating innovative foundational standards, protocols, and evaluation methods for its success. Recorded at Cisco's office in San Jose, we welcome Giovanna Carofiglio, Distinguished Engineer and Senior Director at Outshift by Cisco. As a leader of the AGNTCY Collective (an open-source initiative b…
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316: The benefits of specialized language models (with OpenText's Justin Cantrall)
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12:52In this episode, Dave interviews Justin Cantrall, AI engineer and architect at OpenText, about specialized language models. They discuss: The difference between specialized language models and large language models The benefits and disadvantages of choosing specialized language models Open weight models…
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Taste Is The New Moat | Intangible CEO on Brand, Distribution, and Winning in AI
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53:01When AI makes creating content and code nearly free, how do you stand out? Differentiation now hinges on two things: unique taste and effective distribution. This week, Bharat Vasan, founder & CEO at Intangible and a "recovering VC," explains why the AI landscape compelled him to return to founding. He sees AI sparking a new creative revolution, si…
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315: Gray work in software development (with Quickbase's Maya Palfreyman)
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21:36In this episode, Jenna interviews Maya Palfreyman, product marketing director at Quickbase, who leads the company's research on gray work. They discuss: What gray work is and what sort of tasks qualify How it affects software developers The impact of unaccounted gray work in planning cyclesBy SD Times
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The Emerging AI Agent Stack | CrewAI’s João Moura
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49:53Unlocking AI agents for knowledge work automation and scaling intelligent, multi-agent systems within enterprises fundamentally requires measurability, reliability, and trust. João Moura, founder & CEO of CrewAI, joins Galileo’s Conor Bronsdon and Vikram Chatterji to unpack and define the emerging AI agent stack. They explore how enterprises are mo…
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314: The search revolution: Dense vs. sparse vectors (with Jack Pertschuk from Pinecone)
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12:54In this episode, Dave interviews Jack Pertschuk, principal engineer for Algorithms and Platform at Pinecone. They discuss: What semantic search is and where it falls short The difference between sparse and dense vectors How search technology powers AIBy SD Times
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AMD's Challenge to NVIDIA: The Open Ecosystem Bet | Anush Elangovan & Sharon Zhou
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49:16How is an open ecosystem powering the next generation of AI for developers and leaders? Broadcasting live from the heart of the action at AMD's Advancing AI 2025, Chain of Thought host Conor Bronsdon welcomes AMD’s Anush Elangovan, VP of AI Software, and Sharon Zhou, VP of AI. They unpack AMD's groundbreaking transformation from a hardware giant to…
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313: Identity and auth in the age of agentic AI (with Stytch's Julianna Lamb)
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13:39In this episode, Jenna interviews Julianna Lamb, co-founder and CTO of Stytch, about MCP and how it handles authorization. They discuss: Where MCP gets it right and where more work is needed Issues with traditional auth in agentic workflows Designing auth flows for agents vs humansBy SD Times
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Your Key to AI Success is Hiding in Plain Sight | Cohesity's Greg Statton
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45:48What if the most valuable data in your enterprise—the key to your AI future—is sitting dormant in your backups, treated like an insurance policy you hope to never use? Join Conor Bronsdon with Greg Statton, VP of AI Solutions at Cohesity, for an inside look at how they are turning this passive data into an active asset to power generative AI applic…
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312: The downsides of vibe coding (with AutonomyAI's Tammuz Dubnov)
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9:56In this episode, Jenna Barron interviews Tammuz Dubnov, founder and CTO of AutonomyAI, a company that makes AI agents for software development. They discuss: What vibe coding is The risks associated with it Where it can be used and where it should be avoidedBy SD Times
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Why Gamers Paved the Way for AI | Databricks' Carly Taylor
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49:10What if the pixels and polygons of your favorite video games were the secret architects of today's AI revolution? Carly Taylor, Field CTO for Gaming at Databricks and founder of ggAI, joins host Conor Bronsdon to illuminate the direct line from video game innovation to the current AI landscape. She explains how the gaming industry's relentless purs…
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