Best Org Planning Podcasts (2025)

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Does Insubordination Help or Hinder Change? Todd Kashdan 30:06

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Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Todd Kashdan: Are you cooperating too much for change to succeed? What personal costs are you willing to pay for principled rebellion? Why do people hide their real beliefs just to fit in? My friend Todd Kashdan, psychology professor and author of The Art of I…

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From Individual Contributor to Inspiring Leader: Building Winning Sales Cultures with Alyson Baber 52:28

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In today’s episode of Rev Ops Revolution, host Jesse Morris sits down with sales leader and coach, Alyson Baber. From leading high-performing teams at major organizations like Intuit, Zoom, and Outreach to coaching the next generation of go-to-market leaders, Alyson brings a wealth of experience, wisdom, and a uniquely candid perspective on leaders…

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The Art & Science of Org Design: Solving Problems Leaders Can’t See with Rhonda Frith-Lyons 10:44

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In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, hosts Tim Brewer and Amy Springer engage in a compelling conversation with Rhonda Frith-Lyons, an experienced organizational designer, at the ODF conference in the Twin Cities.Architectural engineer turned organizational problem-solver, Rhonda Frith-Lyons, joins us from the ODF 2024 conference to share her…

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The Hidden Rituals of Change: Michael Norton 29:54

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From BDR to CRO: Building Cross-Functional GTM with Michael Maimone 56:36

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Warren Zenna sits down with Michael Maimone, CRO at LucidLink, to unpack his journey from BDR to enterprise sales leader to CRO. Michael shares how his time at IBM, Marketo, Adobe, and ZoomInfo shaped a systems mindset, enabling him to translate big-company rigor into agile, early-stage execution without stifling momentum. They dive into the first …

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The Four Change Friction Traps: Loran Nordgren 31:23

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Here are three big questions that Loran Nordgren asks in the question for modern change mastery: Are you accidentally creating resistance by making your ideas sound too revolutionary? What if the anxieties you're avoiding are exactly what you need to address? Why does pushing harder on change often make things worse? Loran Nordgren, a behavioural t…

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Solving Big Problems? Get People in a Room with Anissa Oukhiar 19:23

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Live from Milan at the European Organization Design Forum (EODF), Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis sit down with Anissa Oukhiar — EODF Chair, trustee, and host of Brown, Brainy and Beautiful.Anissa shares her unconventional journey into org design, from a multi-disciplinary academic path to finding her place in a collaborative consultancy, and ultima…

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Rick Hill | Sales Leadership - What They Don't Tell You 25:15

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Dive deep into the essence of leadership in our latest podcast episode where Rick Hill, an experienced sales leader, shares transformative lessons that challenge traditional notions of success. With years of wisdom and experience, Rick offers a perspective guaranteed to shift how you approach leadership, influence, and collaboration. Why You Can’t …

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Power Literacy for Change Leaders: Larissa Conte 34:28

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Here’s what Larissa Conte asks us about modern change mastery: Is “power” something that’s learned and usable? What might happen if we focused on possibilities rather than problems? How can you expand your ability to handle more success “wattage”? My guest Larissa Conte calls herself a "power alchemist" — which will either intrigue you or make you …

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How to 3x Training Results: Chris Taylor 16:48

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Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Chris Taylor: Are your high-stakes moments sabotaging skill development? Why practice once when you could daily? What if home practice beats workplace training? My friend Chris Taylor, founder of Actionable, has spent eighteen years obsessing over what Bob Sutton call…

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AI Hype VS Reality with Ryan Staley 52:15

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Warren Zenna hosts Ryan Staley, Founder and CEO at Whale Boss, to separate AI spectacle from strategic value for revenue leaders. They explore where the technology truly helps CROs versus where demos overpromise, and how practitioners can spot durable use cases. Ryan frames adoption as a pragmatic process focused on measurable outcomes rather than …

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Why Curiosity Drives Change Capacity: Scott D. Anthony 20:13

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Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Scott D. Anthony: What's systematically killing curiosity in your organization? Can you hold your team in that sweet spot between comfort and chaos? And Are your excuses actually avoiding the real work of transformation? Scott D. Anthony, Clinical Professor of Busines…

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Org Design Is Not an Org Chart: Reframing Work in the AI Era with Josh Epperson (Amazon) 37:58

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In this episode, Amy Springer and Tim Brewer are joined by Josh Epperson, Senior Manager of Organizational Development at Amazon. Josh shares a refreshingly honest, thought-provoking journey from play-based therapy with children to shaping strategy, structure, and systems at one of the world’s largest companies.This conversation explores how org de…

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Punching Yourself in the Face and Secret CRO Roles with Andy Mowat 48:13

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In this episode of CRO Spotlight, host Warren Zenna sits down with Andy Mowat, Founder of Whispered, to explore the challenges of landing the ideal Chief Revenue Officer role. Andy shares his journey from running revenue operations at multiple unicorns to building a platform that uncovers unposted executive opportunities. They discuss the ambiguiti…

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How to Plan for Resistance: Lisa Reynolds 20:29

28d ago20:29

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Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Lisa Reynolds: Are you actually enabling resistance? When did you last grieve something? How many individual changes are you actually managing? Lisa Reynolds leads change management at Christus Health, where her small team punches way above their weight across a massi…

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GTM Differentiation & Decision Velocity with Amy Hsuan 1:02:29

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Warren Zenna sits down with Amy Hsuan, Chief Customer & Revenue Officer at Mixpanel, to unpack what a truly unified revenue engine looks like. Amy shares how org design must follow strategy, why GTM is a core differentiator, and how aligning marketing, sales, success, and services creates consistent end‑to‑end customer experiences that actually win…

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Training's Biggest Blind Spot Revealed: Julie Dirksen 27:09

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Julie Dirksen’s three key insights about modern change mastery: most training fails because it ignores immediate relevance; organizational change temporarily destroys people's competence and professional identity; corporate learning only addresses logic while ignoring the emotional brain that actually drives decisions. Julie Dirksen joins me to dis…

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Design Before You Scale: The Blueprint for High-Impact Organizations with Haris Ahmed 16:28

2M ago16:28

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In this candid and compelling episode of the Org Design Podcast, recorded live at the Festival of Org Design 2024, hosts Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis sit down with Haris Ahmed, founder of Pragmatium Consulting Group, to uncover three decades of wisdom in organizational transformation.Haris shares how he stumbled into org design during the Y2K era…

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The Art and Science of Sales Compensation Plans with Dana Therrien 46:03

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In this episode of CRO Spotlight, Warren Zenna welcomes back Dana Therrien, Vice President at Anaplan and a leading expert in sales compensation strategies. Dana shares his insights on designing simple yet effective comp plans that motivate sales teams while aligning with company goals and customer success. He emphasizes the importance of balancing…

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Your Brain on Change: Prof Dan Cable 24:14

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Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Dan Cable: Are you leading with fear-based management?; How much "freedom within the frame" are you offering? and How do you use dopamine to best fuel your change efforts? Dan Cable, Professor of Organizational Behaviour at London Business School, argues that as the w…

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Target Accounts, Intent Signals & Marketing Alignment with Jaime Ruhl 1:05:05

2M ago1:05:05

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Jaime Ruhl, CRO at Emergn, joins Warren Zenna to explore how a sales leader becomes a strategic revenue architect in a product‑centric consulting firm. She explains stepping into a broader remit that covers sales, go‑to‑market and marketing alignment across global teams. Jaime describes being a player‑coach who builds repeatable sales motion and ch…

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Three Paths Through Failure. A CEO, a counsellor, a consultant 21:59

2M ago21:59

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A CEO, a counsellor, and a consultant share a key question each about change: How do you really make things safe for people? Could powerlessness actually, ironically, be a superpower? What’s the difference between guardrails and control layers? What if everything you know about leading change is backwards? Garry Ridge turned WD-40 into a global phe…

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Should You Lie About Change? Michael Bungay Stanier solo episode 23:18

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The three key insights from this episode: change is orienteering through unknown territory, not following a GPS route; organizations are addicted to efficiency when they desperately need experimentation; and the best experiments are designed to fail safely, not succeed predictably. I'm diving solo into why small experiments might be the only sane a…

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Curtis Heath | Building A Winning Culture 14:24

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💡 Most leaders think culture is about perks, pizza parties, or slogans on the wall. The truth? Culture shows up in how your team communicates when no one’s watching. I sat down with Curtis, a seasoned organizational leader, and here’s what stuck with me: 👉 Communication is the baseline. “If I’m 100% and you’re 100%, that makes 300%. The invisible e…

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Structure Drives Behavior: Designing Adaptive Organizations with Erika Jacobi 23:18

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What if the real problem in your organization isn’t your people—but your structure?In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, Erika Jacobi, Ph.D., Founder and MD of LC Global Consulting, joins Amy Springer and Damian Bramanis to unpack why structure drives behavior—and how most organizations are solving symptoms, not root causes.Erika shares insigh…

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Ehrika Gladden | Leading Through Transformation: Why Human Capital Matters 14:23

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🚨 Most leaders fail at transformation before it even begins. Why? Their team doesn’t believe them. In our latest conversation, I sat down with Ehrika to talk about the brutal realities of leading through change. Here’s what stood out: 👉 75% of communication is nonverbal. Your team reads your body language before they ever hear your words. 👉 Top per…

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Are Your Meetings Killing Change? Keith McCandless 25:57

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Keith McCandless’s three key insights: meetings fail because we use five invisible patterns that systematically exclude people; anyone can facilitate breakthrough conversations using simple rules, no charisma required; and boosting both autonomy and responsibility simultaneously creates wildly productive teams. Most change leaders know meetings suc…

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Larry Satterfield | Leading Sales Orgs Through Transformation 10:24

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🚨 Most sales leaders underestimate how brutal transformation really is. The truth? You can’t wait for people to get on board; you’ll lose the race before it starts. In our latest conversation, I sat down with Larry and Paul to unpack what it takes to lead effective sales team transformations, especially in private equity-backed businesses. Here’s w…

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From Frustration to Innovation: RevOps in the Age of AI 40:21

2M ago40:21

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Welcome to another episode of RevOps Revolution! This episode, Jesse Morris sits down with Elio Narciso, a serial entrepreneur and the co-founder of Scalestack, to dive deep into the world of agentic AI and how it’s transforming revenue operations. Elio shares his journey from frustration with messy go-to-market processes—even at Amazon—to building…

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Why Stories Matter More: Jennifer Garvey Berger 29:56

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Jennifer Garvey Berger’s three key insights: connectivity matters more than individual talent in complex systems; small experiments beat both over-planning and paralysis; and stories are legitimate measures of change before numbers shift. If you've ever had a change plan that hasn't quite gone according to plan (and honestly, who hasn't?), this con…

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Hamburgers, Revenue Engines and CRO Success with Adam Crandall 1:02:52

2M ago1:02:52

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In this episode of CRO Spotlight, Warren Zenna speaks with Adam Crandall, CRO at Addtronics, about his journey from VP of Sales to Chief Revenue Officer in a private equity-backed environment. Adam shares how he developed a scalable go-to-market playbook for Addtronics, a platform acquiring robotics and automation companies focused on advancing hum…

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The Three Dilemmas of Org Design — David Plink on Leadership, Strategy & Human-Centered Change 22:25

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In this episode recorded live at EODF 2024 in Milan, we sit down with David Plink, CEO of the Top Employers Institute, for a raw and inspiring conversation on what it really takes to lead lasting organizational change.Hosted by Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis, David reflects on his 16-year journey leading a global certification body across 30+ natio…

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Can You Change Yesterday's People? Mark Surman, Mozilla 29:56

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Mark Surman’s three key insights: spending years wrestling with whether your foundational values still make sense; accepting that legacy teams can't build the future, so you need separate structures; and mastering the ability to think across different timescales simultaneously. Mark Surman, Mozilla's president, shares the messy reality of transform…

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Is Your Organization Change Allergic? Anne Gotte 26:22

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Three key insights from Anne Gotte: change management is as outdated as "personnel" organizations must diagnose their change allergies before attempting transformation; and leaders need to embrace clumsy imperfection while providing clear direction. Anne Gotte is SVP Global Talent & Organization Effectiveness at Mondelēz and she brings refreshing h…

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Leading to create a healthy change culture with Ariana Poirier 21:40

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In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, hosts Amy Springer and Tim Brewer welcome Ariana Poirier, a seasoned Change Strategist and consultant. Ariana shares her journey into the world of organizational design, emphasizing the importance of understanding and managing change within organizations. She discusses the challenges leaders face when impl…

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Start with the Gnarliest Problem: Rodney Evans 36:59

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Three key insights: Change work isn't transformative anymore—it's operational; your organization does everything the same dysfunctional way; and everyone secretly benefits from broken patterns. My guest, Rodney Evans from TheReady, has abandoned talking about "adaptability" because people's eyes glaze over. Instead, she starts every conversation wi…

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What do Marshmallows have to do with CRO Success? Competency Assessment Breakthroughs with Lindsay Guzowski 1:03:25

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In this episode of CRO Spotlight, host Warren Zenna sits down with Lindsay Guzowski, CEO at The Crucible, to explore the power of targeted competency assessments for chief revenue officers. They trace the origins of a bespoke CRO test built for private equity–backed companies, showing how tailored assessments can pinpoint the strengths and gaps tha…

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Shopify Org Design and Why CROs Must Get Technical with Bobby Morrison 1:02:57

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In this episode of CRO Spotlight, Warren Zenna sits down with Bobby Morrison, Chief Revenue Officer at Shopify, to explore how the CRO role has evolved beyond traditional sales leadership. Bobby shares his approach to unifying marketing, sales, customer success, and support under a single revenue organization focused on the complete customer journe…

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The Imperfection Advantage: Charles Conn 34:01

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Could it be that your strategic planning is actually paralyzing you, your biggest critics hold the keys to breakthrough innovation, and the military metaphors you're using to lead change are fundamentally broken? Charles Conn, former McKinsey partner, former Head of Rhodes House, and current chair of Patagonia's board, brings a provocative challeng…

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Breaking Down Silos: RevOps, Data, and the Modern Marketing Mindset 45:16

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In this episode, Jesse Morris welcomes Lindsay Mahoney, a dynamic marketing leader, to discuss the evolution and future of Revenue Operations (RevOps) and its impact on cross-departmental collaboration, leadership, and driving revenue growth. Together, Jesse and Lindsay explore pivotal moments of “leaning in,” building trust between marketing and s…

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Hitting the high notes 🎶 - the art of people-centric org change with Lisa Taylor 15:25

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In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, hosts Amy Springer and Damian chatted with Lisa Taylor from Taylor Stein Consulting (L.T. Consulting), who shares her unexpected journey into the world of organizational design. Starting with a background in music and a series of adventures that led her to teach English in Taiwan, Lisa discusses her transi…

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How Many Times Should You Fight Your Boss? Molly Graham 26:21

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Discover why emotional "monsters" sabotage change projects, learn the "fight it three times" rule for managing upwards, and understand why grief is the most overlooked emotion in transformation work. Molly Graham has scaled teams at Google and Meta, and now runs Glue Club for startup operators. She brings hard-won wisdom about the messy human side …

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BONUS: TSP industry transformation and org design with James Davis of The TSP Advisory 35:51

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In this **bonus** episode of the Org Design Podcast, host Amy Springer welcomes James Davis from The TSP Advisory to discuss the evolving roles and responsibilities within the Technology Services industry. James shares insights on the transformation of Managed Services Providers (MSPs), Systems Integrators (SIs), and Value Added Resellers (VARs) as…

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Finding The Real Constraint: Dan Heath 10:19

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Why does nobody care about your billion-dollar vision, what can Chick-fil-A teach you about bottlenecks, and how does fixing one problem always create another? Dan Heath drops some astute and provocative truths about change leadership that'll make you rethink and reset your approach to change. First up: your carefully crafted corporate vision proba…

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Scaling Beyond Sales: The True Role of Growth Leadership 49:19

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On this episode of RevOps Revolution, we sit down with Sue Holub, an accomplished C-suite leader in SaaS and B2B tech, who specializes in transforming companies through operational foundations and people-first leadership. Sue and Jesse unpack what it really takes to build a revenue engine that delivers — with candid stories on breaking silos, drivi…

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Building Scalable Revenue Operations from the Ground Up with Jessica Robertson 1:00:24

4M ago1:00:24

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On this episode of CRO Spotlight, host Warren Zenna sits down with lighting-rod revenue leader Jessica Robertson, Chief Revenue Officer at Orbb. After first connecting at a lively CRO roundtable, they unpack a conversation that could have lasted hours—touching on business philosophy, sales innovation, and the evolving role of relationships in growt…

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The Time Trap in Org Design: A shared struggle for academics, consultants, and CEOs with Andreas Wenger 17:49

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In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, Tim Brewer and Amy Springer welcome Andreas Wenger, a partner at Transforma Consulting, to discuss the intricacies of organizational design. Andreas shares his journey into the field, highlighting how his academic background in organization science laid the foundation for his practical consulting experienc…

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The Easiest Change Strategy: Roy Baumeister 10:51

4M ago10:51

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Most change programs get the sequence backwards; uncertainty secretly sabotages willpower; and using your non-dominant hand might triple your success rate. My guest, Roy Baumeister, is one of psychology's rock stars, and he's spent decades studying what actually works when it comes to willpower and behaviour change. Turns out, we've (mostly) been d…

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Beyond Resilience: Shatterproof: Dr. Tasha Eurich 30:56

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What if the pain you're pushing through is actually the data you need; resilience programs are burning billions on the wrong problem; and there's a psychological theory that could transform your change work, but almost no one in business knows about it? Here's the uncomfortable truth: we're living in a "chaos era" of chronic, compounding stress tha…

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Building Revenue Teams with Grit, Transparency, and Focus: Lessons from Emma Galler 41:34

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Welcome back to RevOps Revolution, the podcast where we dive deep into innovative strategies and mindsets shaping the future of revenue operations. In this episode, host Jesse Morris sits down with Emma Galler, a seasoned sales leader with over 15 years of experience, currently leading sales, customer success, and revenue operations at a top workpl…