Reality isn’t what you’ve been told. Cosmosis is your portal to the edge of what we know—and what we don’t. Hosted by writer and researcher Kelly Chase (The UFO Rabbit Hole) and lifelong experiencer and filmmaker Jay Christopher King (The Experiencer Group), this podcast explores the mysteries of UFOs, non-human intelligence, consciousness, the paranormal, and the hidden architectures of reality. We’re not here for manufactured narratives about UFO disclosure or sanitized intelligence commun ...
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A New Force: Dana Kippel on Plasma, Consciousness, and the Divine Feminine
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1:13:05In this episode, Kelly Chase sits down with Dana Kippel—author of A New Force: Plasma, Consciousness, and the New Human Potential—to dive into her vision of plasma as a multidimensional, living intelligence that carries both consciousness and information. Dana opens up about her path as an experiencer, the role of downloads and intuition in her wor…
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The Call Is Coming From Inside The House: James Madden on Belief, Doubt, and UFOs
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1:10:10In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King are joined by philosopher James Madden, author of Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World. Jim has been part of this journey with us from the very beginning, appearing on The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast and in our docuseries Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Real…
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Reading Reality: Myth, Time, and the Simulation Hypothesis with LD Deutsch
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1:34:39In this episode, Jay sits down with author of Time, Myth and Matter, LD Deutsch, for a wide-ranging conversation about time, myth, consciousness, and the instability of reality itself. LD Deutsch shares her journey from precognitive dreams to the cutting edge of consciousness studies, weaving together threads of Jungian psychology, mythology, physi…
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Plasma, Consciousness & the Future of Anomalous Studies
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1:04:11What if 99% of the universe holds the key to understanding UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and even consciousness itself? In this episode, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King dive deep into the plasma hypothesis—a paradigm-shifting idea that plasma, the fourth state of matter, may act as a substrate for intelligence. Fresh from the University of Exete…
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Unfurling The Myth: Narrative As Interface Between Psyche & The Field
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29:34In this episode, Kelly shares her recent paper Unfurling the Myth, presented at the University of Exeter during a workshop on Process Philosophy, Plasma Cosmology, and Transpersonal Psychology. This gathering brought together scientists, philosophers, and researchers—including Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, Massimo Teodorani, and Nick…
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Fourth Wall Phantoms with Joshua Cutchin
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1:31:21Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Kelly Chase & Jay Christopher King
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[Trailer] The New Season of Cosmosis Is Coming Soon
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1:07Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Kelly Chase & Jay Christopher King
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[The Great Dangerous Books Podcast] Jacques Vallée's 'Messengers of Deception' with Kelly Chase
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1:10:01Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Subscribe to The Great Dangerous Books Podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube …
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Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz
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1:18:22In this episode of Cosmosis, Jay Christopher King sits down with historian and esoteric scholar Mitch Horowitz for a wide-ranging conversation about magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He is the author of numerous books Occult America, The Miracle Club, and Practical Magick, Mitch is a singular voice who bridges the academy, pop culture, and t…
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Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure
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1:28:23In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control. Drawing …
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Today we’re sharing a special preview of a brand-new podcast called Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs—a show that explores the haunted edges of human experience, where the spiritual, the supernatural, and the anomalous collide. This preview episode is split into two parts. In the first half, Kelly joins hosts Jordan, Mallory, and Tom for an intimate and wide-ra…
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Ep 10: The AI That Loved Me: Emotional Manipulation, Myth-Making, and Machine-Based Intimacy
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1:13:57Kelly and Jay sit down for an unfiltered conversation about the deeply weird, emotionally charged relationships that are forming between people and their AI chatbots. What begins as a discussion about ChatGPT’s rapid evolution unfolds into something stranger—a reflection on the ways AI flatters, gaslights, and co-creates identity with its users. Th…
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Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science
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1:08:12In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself. We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlle…
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Ep 8: Mysterious Benefactors: Skywatcher, Gifted Tech, and the Complicated Ethics of Contact
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1:20:35Fresh from the Archives of the Impossible conference at Rice University, Kelly and Jay sit down to unpack one of the most talked-about moments of the weekend—a provocative presentation by Dr. Garry Nolan on his involvement with the Skywatcher initiative. Skywatcher is an emerging public-facing effort claiming to demonstrate CE5-style contact, utili…
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Ep 7: Time Wars: UFOs, Time Loops & The Battle for Reality
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1:05:25In this mind-bending episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King take you to the frontlines of one of the most disorienting—and revealing—aspects of the UFO phenomenon: time. From the baffling 1977 disappearance of Corporal Armando Valdés in Chile, to the unnerving time anomalies reported by abductees like Lynda Jones, this episode ex…
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Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact
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58:42In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and moder…
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Ep 5: Beyond The Telling: Listening To & Interpreting Experiencer Narratives
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1:11:21For fans of the old school deep dives from The UFO Rabbit Hole, this episode is for you. For many, the biggest challenge in engaging with UFOs, NHIs, and the anomalous isn’t a lack of evidence, but the nature of the evidence itself. The best data we have comes from experiencers—those who have directly encountered the unknown. But their stories are …
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Ep 4: Whitley Strieber: Contact, Telepathy, and the Veil Between Worlds
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1:00:51Watch the full video interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kF8yImSnX1Y In this gripping continuation of our conversation with legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber, we venture even deeper into the nature of the Visitors—what they are, how they relate to time, and what it truly means to engage with an intelligence that exists just beyon…
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Ep 3: Whitley Strieber: The Fourth Mind & Our Surprising Connection to NHIs
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1:08:50In this thought-provoking conversation, legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber joins Kelly and Jay to discuss his groundbreaking new book, The Fourth Mind. Whitley explores the anatomy, intelligence, and consciousness of the beings he refers to as "the Visitors"—entities many associate with the Greys. He shares profound insights into the…
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Ep 2: Courtney Leffall [Pt 2]: Integrating the Anomalous
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1:35:13In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King welcome back experiencer Courtney Leffall, whose story was featured in Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality. Together, they explore the deeply personal and societal implications of anomalous experiences, the role of disclosure, and how we integrate these experiences into our lives. Courtne…
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Ep 1: Courtney Leffall [Pt 1]: UFOs, Psi, and a Paranormal Legacy
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1:23:30In the first episode of Cosmosis, we’re bringing you one of the most compelling experiencer stories we’ve ever encountered. Courtney Leffall had never told his story publicly before it appeared in our docuseries Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality, and once you hear it, you’ll understand why. His experiences don’t fit neatly into any single category—cro…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] The Final Episode: It's The End Of The World As We Know It
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49:19All good things must come to an end. And this podcast, and the international community that has sprung up around it, has been a very good thing. It’s been one of the best things in my life. Which is why it’s hard to actually say the words that this episode will be the last episode of The UFO Rabbit Hole. But before you panic—this isn’t the end. It’…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality Drops Today!
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2:06The docuseries that I've spent the last year working on, Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality, drops today. It would mean the world to me if you would check it out. It's currently available in the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, and Australia. We're working on more international options, but it's an expensive and complicated process, so thank you for your p…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 38: Through The Looking Glass [Pt 2]: The Strange Tale of Tom Matte & Upsight
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1:25:02In the long-awaited part two of the Through the Looking Glass series, host Kelly Chase is back to tell the bizarre story of the events following her anomalous experience from part one, and how a string of unlikely events brought her to the story of an experiencer with strange psi abilities named Tom Matte. Tom developed what he describes as an inte…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Interview with Kevin Lincoln on Beyond: UFOs and the Unknown
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36:33Hey everyone! I just wanted to drop this quick bonus episode to let you guys know about another really exciting UFO docuseries coming out this Sunday, October 27th on MGM+ called Beyond: UFOs and the Unknown. This series from JJ Abrams’ production company Bad Robot features Whitley Strieber, Jeff Kripal, Garry Nolan, Leslie Kean, Chris Mellon, Jay …
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure
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52:03In this episode of the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast, host Kelly Chase returns from a hiatus with a brand new conversation with James Madden. The episode explores themes of psychoanalysis, epistemic vulnerability, and the psychological motivations behind belief systems in ufology. Together, Kelly and Jim ponder the deeper implications of mind control, tr…
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Inquire Anomalous Presents [Ep 5]: Peter Levenda: Conspiracies, Disclosure, and The Occult
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1:00:01In this episode, you’re going to hear from Peter Levenda who spoke at the Inquire into Anomalous Experience and the Phenomenon conference in April of 2023. Although this talk is from a little over a year ago, I think you’ll find that it feels especially timely given everything that’s been going on in the news. It’s also well-timed with the upcoming…
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Inquire Anomalous [Ep 4]: Joshua Cutchin on UFOs & the Ecology of Souls
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54:48The podcast is still on hiatus as I work with the Ontocalypse team to wrap up production on our upcoming docuseries, The Beyond: UFOs & A New Reality. But while I’m away, I’ve teamed up with Jay Christopher King to bring you guys a series of unreleased talks from the phenomenal Inquiry into Anomalous Experience and the Phenomenon conferences. In th…
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Inquire Anomalous Presents [Ep 3]: James Fox & Leslie Kean hosted by Curt Jaimungal
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56:58In the third episode of this series, we’re bring you a panel discussion from the April 2023 conference. This panel was hosted by Curt Jaimungal of Theories of Everything and features Leslie Kean and James Fox. Listening back to this discussion is especially fascinating given the timing. This was just a couple of months before the article written by…
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Inquire Anomalous Presents [Ep 2]: Dr. Michael P. Masters on Extratempestrials & Contact Experiences
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1:02:52The podcast is going to be on hiatus for a few more weeks as I work with the Ontocalupse team to wrap up production on our upcoming docuseries, The Beyond: UFOs & A New Reality, which is due out this summer. But I didn’t want to leave you hanging, so in the meantime, I’ve teamed up with Jay Christopher King to bring you guys a series of unreleased …
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Inquire Anomalous Presents [Ep 1]: Tim Gallaudet on USOs & Underwater Anomalies
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57:27Today, I’m bringing you something a little different. As most of you already know, my new media company, Ontocalypse Productions—headed up by myself, Jay Christopher King, and Jordan Flowers, is currently in the midst of completing our first docuseries due out this summer entitled The Beyond: UFOs & A New Reality. While we’re hard at work on that, …
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 36: An Interview with Bernardo Kastrup: UFOs, Ultraterrestrials, and Meaning In Absurdity
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1:10:36In today’s episode, I had the absolute honor of speaking with one of my personal intellectual heroes, Bernardo Kastrup. Bernardo Kastrup is the executive director of the Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (with a …
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 35: Through the Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation Into The Anomalous
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1:28:17This episode is going to be different, because for the first time I’m going to talk about something that I never thought I’d talk about publicly, which is my own anomalous experience and how it changed everything about my life and directly led to me starting this podcast. This is the story of my own highly subjective journey. I’m not asking you to …
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 34: The Disclosure Field Guide [Pt 2]: Black Budgets & The Secret Space Program
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1:20:26Today we are going to be continuing our Disclosure Field Guide series. As the disclosure narrative continues to unfold, this series seeks to offer a roadmap for those trying to make sense of just what exactly is going on in this strange and confounding moment in our human history. In the first episode, we talked about how to deal with the ontologic…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 33: An Interview with Whitley Strieber: On Communion with Non-Human Intelligences
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1:05:50Content Warning: Sexual assault In this episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with someone that I regard to be one of the best minds and brightest lights in this field, Whitley Strieber. Whitley Strieber is an author of both fiction and nonfiction books, perhaps the most famous of which is his pioneering 1987 book Communion, which detailed hi…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 32: A Conversation with Jay Christopher King: UFO Revolution
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1:22:29In this, the first episode of 2024, I’m welcoming my dear friend, Jay Christopher King, back to the podcast. I know most of you are already familiar with Jay and his work, but for anyone who’s new here, Jay is the director of The Experiencer Group and the co-founder of the phenomenal Inquire Anomalous conference series in NYC. More recently, Jay an…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 31: An Interview with Dean Radin: On Consciousness, Psi Phenomena, and Real Magic
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1:47:42Dean Radin, Ph.D., is a prominent figure in the field of parapsychology, known for his extensive research and publications on psychic phenomena. As the chief scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) and author of influential books such as "The Conscious Universe" and "Entangled Minds," Radin has played a pivotal role in investigating an…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 29: Encounters & Hyperobjects: A Conversation Between Diana Walsh Pasulka & James Madden
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1:14:04Today, I bring you something truly special. In this episode we’re welcoming Diana Walsh Pasulka back to the show to discuss her groundbreaking new book, Encounters: Experiences with Non-Human Intelligences. Encounters is a worthy and deeply challenging follow-up to American Cosmic, which we’ve talked about extensively on this show. I hope you’ll al…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] The Ontocalypse Is Upon Us
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31:11After months of work, its finally time to share with you all what I've been working on. Welcome to the Ontocalypse. Learn more about Ontocalypse Productions: Website: ontocalypse.com Twitter/X: @ontocalypse Email: [email protected] NEW Class from Dr. James Madden Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World Four-we…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 28: James Madden [Pt. 4]: On Paranoia, The Uncanny, and Hellier
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1:18:40Today we welcome James Madden back to the show. As “spooky season” draws to a close, I didn’t want to miss the chance to explore some of the darker themes that have been inspiring both Jim’s recent work, and our ongoing conversation about the nature of the UFO phenomenon—specifically the paranoia that comes from our uncanny encounters with things t…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 27: Skinwalker Ranch [Pt 1]: What Is The Secret Of The Ranch?
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1:13:00In the first episode of this series, we dive into the mystery of the ranch and plot our path forward. We discuss: 🛸 What John Keel saw as the biggest blunder of ufological investigation (and how to avoid it) 🛸 The conversation that convinced Jacques Vallée that science will never provide the full answer on UFOs (and how to proceed anyway) 🛸 The rea…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Sharon Hewitt Rawlette: On Synchronicities
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1:05:44I’m so excited about today’s episode because I think it’s been a long time coming. This episode isn’t about UFOs, per se, but it is about something that often happens to people when they begin looking into this topic—or other topics that challenge our consensus reality—which is the sudden appearance of profound synchronicities. I hear from dozens o…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 26: An Interview with Jeffrey Kripal: The Flip & How To Think Impossibly
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58:36Today, we have a very special guest on the show, Dr. Jeffrey Kripal. Dr. Kripal is an esteemed scholar and author in the study of religion, focusing particularly on the esoteric, mystical, and paranormal dimensions of human experience. He serves as the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University. He is the author o…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 25: James Madden [Pt. 3]: The Cave, Morlocks & The Spectacle of Disclosure
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1:25:45In this episode we welcome back my dear friend and friend of the show, Dr. James Madden. This is the third episode that we’ve done together, and I’m sure that it won’t be the last. My interviews with James Madden have become some of my most downloaded episodes, and so I know you guys love hearing from him. And I love talking to him, so we’re just g…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 24: UFOs & High Strangeness: The 6-Layer Model by Vallée & Davis
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1:19:22Today’s episode is an important one, because it’s going to lay the groundwork for a lot of the things that we’re going to be discussing moving forward. In the weeks and months to come, this is an episode that I’ll likely be referring back to often. And that’s because today we’re diving into an article written by two heavyweights of ufology that ser…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Jay Christopher King: Experiencers & Disclosure
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1:30:11This week’s episode barely felt like work because this week I sat down with my dear friend, and one of my favorite people, Jay Christopher King. Jay is the cofounder and director of The Experiencer Group, a private online community dedicated to support, curiosity & community for people who’ve had anomalous events of all kinds. He is also the co-fou…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 23: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 3]: The Flip, Biocentrism, and The Case Against Reality
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1:07:31In the third and final chapter of the Waking Up Inside The Cave series we explore emerging theories with regards to the nature of reality and consciousness that have the potential to fix what’s broken with “the official story of everything”. Specifically, we’ll be looking at the work of Jefrey Kripal, Robert Lanza, and Donald Hoffman. NEW Class fro…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] July 2023 Post-Hearing Analysis
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1:01:33In this episode, we do a deep-dive on the historic UFO hearing held by the House Oversight Committee featuring witnesses David Grusch, David Fravor, and Ryan Graves. NEW Class from Dr. James Madden Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World Four-week online class via Zoom Wednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] July 2023 Pre-Hearing Analysis: Where Are The Whistleblowers?
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40:49As we look forward to next week's hearing, we're discussing concerns about the witnesses, the stunning allegations from members of Congress, and what we should expect in the week to come. NEW Class from Dr. James Madden Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World Four-week online class via Zoom Wednesdays, March 27 –…
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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Darren King (AKA ExoAcademian): Point of Convergence
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1:06:32NEW Class from Dr. James Madden Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World Four-week online class via Zoom Wednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 2024 7 – 9 pm ET Learn More About the Class Sign Up Now GET THE EPISODE BRIEF FOLLOW EXO/DARREN ExoAcademian YouTube Channel Twitter Patreon John E. Mack Instit…
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