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80,000 Hours Podcast

Rob, Luisa, and the 80000 Hours team

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Unusually in-depth conversations about the world's most pressing problems and what you can do to solve them. Subscribe by searching for '80000 Hours' wherever you get podcasts. Hosted by Rob Wiblin and Luisa Rodriguez.
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At 26, Neel Nanda leads an AI safety team at Google DeepMind, has published dozens of influential papers, and mentored 50 junior researchers — seven of whom now work at major AI companies. His secret? “It’s mostly luck,” he says, but “another part is what I think of as maximising my luck surface area.” Video, full transcript, and links to learn mor…
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We don’t know how AIs think or why they do what they do. Or at least, we don’t know much. That fact is only becoming more troubling as AIs grow more capable and appear on track to wield enormous cultural influence, directly advise on major government decisions, and even operate military equipment autonomously. We simply can’t tell what models, if a…
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Success alone doesn’t satisfy the soul. In this episode, we explore how true purpose is found not in achievements, but in answering God’s unique calling for your life. Ruslan KD joins me to share his journey of faith, discipline, and ambition, and how he has come to understand the difference between selfish ambition and godly ambition. We talk abou…
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What happens when you lock two AI systems in a room together and tell them they can discuss anything they want? According to experiments run by Kyle Fish — Anthropic’s first AI welfare researcher — something consistently strange: the models immediately begin discussing their own consciousness before spiraling into increasingly euphoric philosophica…
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Is Your Child at Risk? Hear Nate Lewis, a human trafficking survivor, share his chilling story of being kidnapped at gunpoint in this powerful Episode 166. Nate reveals the tactics predators use, the trauma he endured, and how faith and purpose led him to found The Innocent, a nonprofit training law enforcement to combat child trafficking and s*xto…
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What if changing your diet could transform not just your body, but your mind and spirit too? In this heartfelt conversation with Dr. Robert Kiltz, we explore how an animal-based carnivore diet, daily prayer, and mindful living can help reduce anxiety, ease depression, and relieve joint pain. Dr. Kiltz shares his personal journey from traditional me…
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Hollywood’s heart is missing — but these faith-based filmmakers are bringing it back. Nathan & Talitha Myers share how Christ-centered storytelling can inspire families, strengthen kids, and fight the silent war of tech addiction. In this heartfelt conversation, we explore the making of their satirical, family-friendly musical “Aria Appleton,” the …
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This episode was recorded on July 16th, 2025. What really happened at the Kamloops residential school site, and why are so many questions still unanswered? In this episode, I sit down with political science professor Frances Widdowson to discuss the controversial claims about unmarked graves in Canada, the role of ground-penetrating radar, and how …
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About half of people are worried they’ll lose their job to AI. They’re right to be concerned: AI can now complete real-world coding tasks on GitHub, generate photorealistic video, drive a taxi more safely than humans, and do accurate medical diagnosis. And over the next five years, it’s set to continue to improve rapidly. Eventually, mass automatio…
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What if we’ve been feeding cognitive decline—literally? In this episode, I explore the hidden connection between dementia, diet, and aging with Hal Kramer, a former US Air Force Special Operations pilot turned assisted living innovator. After careers in aviation and real estate, Hal entered the senior care world and discovered a disturbing pattern:…
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What happens when civilisation faces its greatest tests? This compilation brings together insights from researchers, defence experts, philosophers, and policymakers on humanity’s ability to survive and recover from catastrophic events. From nuclear winter and electromagnetic pulses to pandemics and climate disasters, we explore both the threats tha…
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What if writing by hand is more than just nostalgia—it’s a way of connecting to something ancient, sacred, and deeply human? In this episode, I sit down with Jake Weidmann, one of only nine Master Penmen in the world, to explore the forgotten art of penmanship and its surprising power in our digital age. We talk about Jake’s remarkable journey from…
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What does it mean to pursue justice with humility in a world filled with division and persecution? In this episode of my podcast, I speak with Teresa Conradie and Ligia Vallejo of Advocates International, a global network of Christian lawyers dedicated to promoting religious freedom and human dignity across 142 countries. We explore Teresa’s journe…
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Ryan Greenblatt — lead author on the explosive paper “Alignment faking in large language models” and chief scientist at Redwood Research — thinks there’s a 25% chance that within four years, AI will be able to do everything needed to run an AI company, from writing code to designing experiments to making strategic and business decisions. As Ryan la…
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What does it look like to serve God faithfully in government while raising a family—and can national revival begin in the workplace? In this episode of the Tammy Peterson Podcast, we explore faith in public life, spiritual heritage in the UK, and the transformative power of motherhood and prayer. I sit down with Kam Flynn, a devoted wife, mother, a…
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The era of making AI smarter just by making it bigger is ending. But that doesn’t mean progress is slowing down — far from it. AI models continue to get much more powerful, just using very different methods, and those underlying technical changes force a big rethink of what coming years will look like. Toby Ord — Oxford philosopher and bestselling …
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For decades, US allies have slept soundly under the protection of America’s overwhelming military might. Donald Trump — with his threats to ditch NATO, seize Greenland, and abandon Taiwan — seems hell-bent on shattering that comfort. But according to Hugh White — one of the world's leading strategic thinkers, emeritus professor at the Australian Na…
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What if the loneliness and overwhelm so many mothers feel today isn’t a personal failing—but a sign that we’ve lost something essential? In this episode, we talk about the importance of community, the quiet strength of daily prayer, and the foundational role of family in a life of meaning. I reflect on how service to others brings more peace than s…
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AI models today have a 50% chance of successfully completing a task that would take an expert human one hour. Seven months ago, that number was roughly 30 minutes — and seven months before that, 15 minutes. (See graph.) These are substantial, multi-step tasks requiring sustained focus: building web applications, conducting machine learning research…
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This episode was recorded on February 19th, 2025. What if the most meaningful way to change the world isn’t through grand gestures, but by being fully present in your own neighborhood? In this episode, I speak with Katherine Gallagher about how women of faith can build stronger communities through local engagement, grounded values, and intentional …
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What if there’s something it’s like to be a shrimp — or a chatbot? For centuries, humans have debated the nature of consciousness, often placing ourselves at the very top. But what about the minds of others — both the animals we share this planet with and the artificial intelligences we’re creating? We’ve pulled together clips from past conversatio…
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OpenAI’s recent announcement that its nonprofit would “retain control” of its for-profit business sounds reassuring. But this seemingly major concession, celebrated by so many, is in itself largely meaningless. Litigator Tyler Whitmer is a coauthor of a newly published letter that describes this attempted sleight of hand and directs regulators on h…
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This episode was recorded on February 17th, 2025. Is motherhood still essential to a flourishing society, or has our culture lost sight of what truly matters? In this powerful conversation, we explore the consequences of delaying family, the collapse of traditional values, and why so many women in their 30s are feeling lost, unfulfilled, and discon…
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More and more people have been saying that we might have AGI (artificial general intelligence) before 2030. Is that really plausible? This article by Benjamin Todd looks into the cases for and against, and summarises the key things you need to know to understand the debate. You can see all the images and many footnotes in the original article on th…
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When attorneys general intervene in corporate affairs, it usually means something has gone seriously wrong. In OpenAI’s case, it appears to have forced a dramatic reversal of the company’s plans to sideline its nonprofit foundation, announced in a blog post that made headlines worldwide. The company’s sudden announcement that its nonprofit will “re…
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When you have a system where ministers almost never understand their portfolios, civil servants change jobs every few months, and MPs don't grasp parliamentary procedure even after decades in office — is the problem the people, or the structure they work in? Today's guest, political journalist Ian Dunt, studies the systemic reasons governments succ…
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This episode was recorded on February 19th, 2025. Miguel Gabián is the founder and president of Fertílitas, a company specializing in NaProTechnology based in Spain. Established in 2018, Fertílitas is dedicated to helping couples identify the root causes of infertility, thereby restoring their natural potential to conceive. Prior to this, Miguel en…
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This episode was recorded on April 1st, 2025. Anna Nienhuis is a dedicated communications professional for ARPA Canada, a Christian political advocacy group. She is proficient in addressing sensitive topics such as abortion, euthanasia, prostitution, and gender ideology, working tirelessly to navigate these issues from a biblical standpoint. Find m…
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How do you navigate a career path when the future of work is uncertain? How important is mentorship versus immediate impact? Is it better to focus on your strengths or on the world’s most pressing problems? Should you specialise deeply or develop a unique combination of skills? From embracing failure to finding unlikely allies, we bring you 16 dive…
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This episode was recorded on February 25th, 2025. Dr. Shawn Baker is a world-renowned orthopedic surgeon, co-founder of Revero.com, and a leading authority on using medical nutritional therapy to treat chronic disease. A best-selling author, international speaker, podcast host, and world champion athlete, Dr. Baker has dedicated his career to chall…
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Throughout history, technological revolutions have fundamentally shifted the balance of power in society. The Industrial Revolution created conditions where democracies could flourish for the first time — as nations needed educated, informed, and empowered citizens to deploy advanced technologies and remain competitive. Unfortunately there’s every …
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"We are aiming for a place where we can decouple the scorecard from our worthiness. It’s of course the case that in trying to optimise the good, we will always be falling short. The question is how much, and in what ways are we not there yet? And if we then extrapolate that to how much and in what ways am I not enough, that’s where we run into trou…
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This episode was recorded on March 3 2025. In this episode, I speak with Stephen Shaw, creator of *The Birth Gap* documentary, about one of the most pressing but unspoken issues of our time—declining birth rates, rising childlessness, and the loneliness that follows. We explore why so many women are delaying motherhood, how career and cultural mess…
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Most AI safety conversations centre on alignment: ensuring AI systems share our values and goals. But despite progress, we’re unlikely to know we’ve solved the problem before the arrival of human-level and superhuman systems in as little as three years. So some are developing a backup plan to safely deploy models we fear are actively scheming to ha…
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This episode was recorded on February 13th, 2025. Bobby Angel, an author, speaker, and personal mentor refined by the CatholicPsych Institute, devoted nearly a decade to teaching theology and philosophy and serving as a high school minister. Alongside his wife, Jackie, they frequently share insights on Christian marriage and discernment through pod…
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This episode was recorded on March 14th, 2025. Reverend Helen Orr is the Vicar of The Benefices of Bassingbourn and Whaddon, known for her thoughtful pastoral leadership and creative spirit. In addition to her work in ministry, she is a gifted songwriter and singer, bringing a unique blend of artistic expression and spiritual depth to her vocation.…
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"There’s almost no story of the future going well that doesn’t have a part that’s like '…and no evil person steals the AI weights and goes and does evil stuff.' So it has highlighted the importance of information security: 'You’re training a powerful AI system; you should make it hard for someone to steal' has popped out to me as a thing that just …
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This episode was recorded on February 12th, 2025. My podcast guest is a Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) for the Lacombe-Ponoka constituency in Alberta, Canada. Prior to her career in politics, she led a diverse life as a registered nurse, a dedicated homeschool teacher to her four children, and a capable manager of her family's cherry orch…
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his episode was recorded on February 11th, 2025. Madison, a passionate advocate for children's rights, effectively uses her own 20-year experience surviving parental alienation, a recognized form of child abuse, to sensitively bring such issues to the forefront. With her personal insight, she offers moved perspective into this often-overlooked prob…
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For the purposes of this podcast, the interviewee used the term 'Osteopath' to refer to the profession as a whole. It's important to note that 'Osteopath' is a trademarked title for American D.O.s, while in Canada, we are recognized as Osteopathic Manual Practitioners. Candice Nesrallah is an Osteopathic Manual Practitioner. Additionally, the term …
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This episode was recorded on September 6th, 2024. Sandra Richter holds the Robert H. Gundry Chair of Biblical Studies at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, CA. She earned her PhD in Hebrew Bible from Harvard University and an MA in Theological Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. Sandy is the author of "The Epic of Eden: A Christian En…
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The 20th century saw unprecedented change: nuclear weapons, satellites, the rise and fall of communism, third-wave feminism, the internet, postmodernism, game theory, genetic engineering, the Big Bang theory, quantum mechanics, birth control, and more. Now imagine all of it compressed into just 10 years. That’s the future Will MacAskill — philosoph…
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When OpenAI announced plans to convert from nonprofit to for-profit control last October, it likely didn’t anticipate the legal labyrinth it now faces. A recent court order in Elon Musk’s lawsuit against the company suggests OpenAI’s restructuring faces serious legal threats, which will complicate its efforts to raise tens of billions in investment…
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his episode was recorded on November 12th, 2024. Our podcast guest, Michael Sahely, is devoted to seeking redemption for past misdeeds and is committed to spreading this message of resilience through their poignant life stories. Known for sharing the symbolic "Cup of Bitterness," they offer leeway for individuals to journey with them in this profou…
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A casino offers you a game. A coin will be tossed. If it comes up heads on the first flip you win $2. If it comes up on the second flip you win $4. If it comes up on the third you win $8, the fourth you win $16, and so on. How much should you be willing to pay to play? The standard way of analysing gambling problems, ‘expected value’ — in which you…
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This episode was recorded on November 11th, 2024. Kalyna is a multifaceted entrepreneur, coach, author, and podcast host. The proud owner of two thriving businesses; Kickstart Your Work and Chiefly, she is renowned for her book "Memorable," and hosts the insightful podcast, Lead Today. Kalyna passionately devotes her career to inspiring others to l…
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America aims to avoid nuclear war by relying on the principle of 'mutually assured destruction,' right? Wrong. Or at least... not officially. As today's guest — Jeffrey Lewis, founder of Arms Control Wonk and professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies — explains, in its official 'OPLANs' (military operation plans), the US is com…
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Technology doesn’t force us to do anything — it merely opens doors. But military and economic competition pushes us through. That’s how today’s guest Allan Dafoe — director of frontier safety and governance at Google DeepMind — explains one of the deepest patterns in technological history: once a powerful new capability becomes available, societies…
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This episode was recorded on November 8th, 2024. Dr. Martin Makary is a highly distinguished professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, renowned for his work in the re-design of healthcare and expert author of three New York Times bestsellers, including The Price We Pay, which earned him the 2020 Business Book of the Year Award and a…
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On Monday Musk made the OpenAI nonprofit foundation an offer they want to refuse, but might have trouble doing so: $97.4 billion for its stake in the for-profit company, plus the freedom to stick with its current charitable mission. For a normal company takeover bid, this would already be spicy. But OpenAI’s unique structure — a nonprofit foundatio…
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