Are you a Law Firm Owner who wants to grow, scale, and find the success you know is possible? Welcome to the Leadership In Law Podcast with host, Marilyn Jenkins! Cut through the noise. Get actionable insights and inspiring stories delivered straight to your ears - your ultimate podcast for navigating the ever-changing world of law firm ownership. In each episode, we dive deep into the critical topics that matter most to you, from unlocking explosive growth to building a thriving team. We co ...
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S02E95 Growing an Immigration Firm in 2025 with Adrian Griggs & Abby Hernandez
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29:42At the heart of their approach lies an unwavering commitment to ethics and transparency. Adrian, who transitioned from personal injury paralegal to immigration attorney, explains why honesty with clients, even when it means turning away cases, has become their strongest asset. "We'd rather lose you as a client than keep you and then not be able to …
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S02E94 The Importance of Data and PPC Marketing with Bo Royal
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34:58"Your data isn't just numbers, it's the blueprint for your firm's growth," explains Bo Royal, sharing hard-won wisdom from his journey from Fortune 500 advertising executive to specialized legal marketing expert. This conversation peels back the curtain on why so many law firms waste thousands on ineffective PPC campaigns and what separates success…
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S02E93 Border Searches & AI Identification with Saul Bienenfeld
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28:05What happens to your digital privacy when you cross international borders? The answer might shock you. Veteran NYC criminal defense attorney Saul Bienenfeld pulls back the curtain on the murky legal landscape of border searches in this riveting conversation. With over 35 years of courtroom experience, including time as a prosecutor with a 98% convi…
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S02E92 Fractional Legal Teams to Build Your Firm with Jeff Holman
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37:43Jeff Holman is revolutionizing legal support for growing businesses with a model that makes perfect sense once you hear it yet somehow hasn't existed until now. As founder of Intellectual Strategies and creator of the first fractional legal team model, Jeff brings a unique triple-threat perspective as engineer, lawyer, and business strategist to ta…
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S02E91 Redefining Success for Lawyers & Other High-Achieving Women with Wendy Meadows
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34:11Ever feel like you're trapped in a legal Groundhog Day? Your practice looks successful on paper, but something's missing, and the wine and Trader Joe's cookies aren't filling the void? Wendy Meadows, family law attorney turned certified life coach and bestselling author of "Sparkle and Grit," shares her transformative journey from burnout to purpos…
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S02E90 Building a Lean, Agile Law Firm with Christopher Anderson
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26:55Christopher Anderson believes great leadership starts with communication. It's this core principle that guides his revolutionary approach to law firm management through Lean Agile methodology - a system that transforms traditional hierarchical legal practices into nimble, self-organizing teams. Drawing from his fascinating journey from astrophysics…
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S02E89 Discovering Your Dream Job in Franchise Law with Stuti Murarka
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26:00Discover how a skilled franchise attorney transforms from legal advisor to strategic growth partner in this illuminating conversation with Stuti Murarka of Cheng Cohen. Having practiced law on two continents and passed the bar exam twice, Stuti brings a unique global perspective to franchise law that has helped single-unit operations evolve into mu…
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S02E88 Social Media Marketing for Law Firms with Ian A. Harrington
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34:54Social media expert Ian A. Harrington pulls back the curtain on what works for law firms in the digital space during this eye-opening conversation. Having helped generate hundreds of millions in case value for personal injury and workers' compensation firms, Ian's message is clear: social media represents the most cost-effective marketing channel a…
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BONUS How AEO Is Replacing SEO—And What Your Law Firm Needs to Do About It
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26:14Search is changing—and fast. If your law firm is still relying on old-school SEO tactics alone, you’re already behind. In this 30-minute workshop, Marilyn Jenkins breaks down the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO)—what it is, why it matters, and how law firms can adapt to stay visible, relevant, and profitable in an AI-driven world. You’ll di…
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S02E87 Bootstrapping & Referral Networks for Growth with Chuck Panzarella
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27:20Ever wondered what happens when legal expertise meets entrepreneurial spirit? Chuck Panzarella embodies this powerful combination, forging a unique career path that spans courtroom advocacy and business development. In this enlightening conversation, Chuck shares his journey from Peace Corps volunteer to successful consumer advocate, revealing how …
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S02E86 Leadership, Hospitality, & Culture for Success with Elise Buie
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35:50What if the secret to building a thriving law practice isn't found in marketing tactics or billable hour targets, but in the mirror? That's exactly what Seattle family law attorney Elise Buie discovered on her journey from solo practitioner to firm founder. Elise opens up about the profound leadership lessons she's learned over eight years of inten…
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S02E85 Fresh Start Registry & Family Law Attorneys with the Dreizen Sisters
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32:47When life falls apart, where do you turn for practical support? Sisters Olivia Dreizen-Howell and Jenny Dreizen discovered a critical gap in our support systems when they both experienced major life transitions, Olivia through divorce and Jenny through a broken engagement. Their revelation? While we celebrate beginnings with weddings and baby regis…
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S02E84 Building a Happy & Profitable Solo Practice with Lauren Lester
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31:54When Lauren passed the bar exam, she faced a reality many new attorneys encounter – law school hadn't equipped her to run a business. Rather than following the traditional path of working as an associate for years, Lauren took a bold approach by starting her practice immediately. What she discovered challenged everything about the conventional law …
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S02E83 Turning Founders into Multi-Millionaires with Gabriela Smith
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36:33When your goal is growing a business to a successful exit, having the right legal strategy can mean the difference between leaving millions on the table or walking away with maximum value. Meet Gabriela Smith, founder of GNS Law and creator of the Company X-Ray program, who has mastered the art of turning founders into multimillionaires. Gabriela's…
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S02E82 Expert Witness Strategy for Winning Cases with Dr. Jordan Romano
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20:35Navigating the complex intersection of medicine and law demands specialized expertise. Dr. Jordan Romano brings exactly that to this enlightening conversation about the strategic role medical experts play in legal proceedings. With two decades of clinical experience at prestigious institutions like Massachusetts General Hospital and now Tufts Medic…
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S02E81 Developing Your Leadership Skills with Doug Thorpe
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27:46Servant leadership transforms organizations by flipping traditional hierarchy upside down. Doug Thorpe, an executive coach with military and banking leadership experience, reveals how this approach creates sustainable success by putting team members first. Doug's leadership journey started in elementary school when he aspired to be captain of the c…
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S02E80 Benefits of In Home Notary Services with Phillip Hogan
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25:15Phillip Hogan's entrepreneurial journey is a captivating story of opportunity recognition and strategic growth. After a chance encounter with a mobile notary service during an out-of-state car purchase, Hogan spotted an unmet need in the market that would transform his life path. Drawing from childhood experiences working in his family's retail bus…
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S02E79 Setting Boundaries for Empowerment & Growth with Barb Nangle
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32:49Boundaries might be the missing ingredient in your quest for a successful and fulfilling law practice. In this powerful conversation with boundary coach Barb Nangle, we explore how setting healthy boundaries can transform not only your personal life but also revolutionize your professional relationships and leadership approach. Barb shares her rema…
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S02E78 Financials That Achieve Your Goals with Leah Miller
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27:27Financial management is often the most intimidating aspect of running a law firm, yet it's crucial for sustainable growth and success. In this illuminating conversation with fractional CFO Leah Miller, we explore how intentional financial planning can transform your law practice from surviving to thriving. Leah shares her journey from paralegal to …
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S02E77 Winning SEO In a Saturated Market with Lindsey Busfield
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28:09Lindsey Busfield, VP of Optimize My Firm, shares her journey from managing Amish chicken farms to becoming an SEO strategist for some of the nation's most powerful law firm websites. With refreshing candor, she explains why most traditional SEO tactics fail modern attorneys and reveals the strategies that work in 2023. For small and mid-sized firms…
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S02E76 Building a Profitable Firm in a Crowded Market with Nick Spetsas & Charles Buist
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33:42What does it take to build a thriving law firm from scratch in one of America's most competitive legal markets? For Nick Spetsas and Charles Buist, the journey began with a friendship in law school that evolved into a powerful business partnership built on shared values and complementary strengths. Starting with just a $40,000 line of credit in Orl…
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S02E75 Level-Up Your Team with Traci Austin
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31:22Traci Austin brings her two decades of HR leadership expertise to tackle one of the most challenging aspects of law firm management: leading diverse teams effectively without micromanaging. Her refreshing approach centers on a powerful principle: "I can't lead you the way I need to be led. I need to lead you the way you need to be led." The convers…
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S02E74 Fractional CFO Strategies for Business Growth with Tom Dillon
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29:27Tom brings years of experience as a fractional CFO to the table, offering a wealth of knowledge about how proper financial management can become your firm's secret growth engine. He challenges the common belief that cutting costs is the pathway to profitability, instead advocating for strategic growth investments backed by a solid cash flow underst…
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S02E73 Starting a New Firm After 12 Years in a Large Firm with Gary Martoccio
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20:31Gary Martoccio brings his powerful perspective as a champion for employee rights to this illuminating conversation on employment law and firm ownership. With over $50 million recovered for workers and success in more than 200 federal lawsuits as lead counsel, Gary shares the insights gained through his transition from a large firm to launching his …
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S02E72 Dealing with High Conflict Divorces (Narcissists) with Lisa Johnson
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29:32Lisa Johnson never planned to become a high-conflict divorce strategist. After enduring a $100,000 divorce that stretched into a decade of legal battles, she discovered a phenomenon she hadn't known existed: legal abuse. Today, she's on a mission to help others navigate the treacherous waters of divorce and custody battles with narcissistic opponen…
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S02E71 High Profile Cases from Prosecutor to Trial Attorney with James Porfido
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26:47What happens when a seasoned prosecutor crosses the aisle to become a defense attorney? James Porfido's remarkable 35-year legal journey reveals troubling truths about our justice system that every attorney and citizen needs to hear. With his book "Unequal Justice" as a backdrop, James shares how a devastating 1994 vehicular homicide case changed n…
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S02E70 Leveraging AI for Law Firm Growth & Mindset Shift with Ryan Gregerson
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35:03Ryan Gregerson's leadership journey offers a masterclass in transforming from successful attorney to visionary law firm owner. From his early days building a family law department from scratch to founding RCG Law Group, Ryan reveals the critical mindset shifts that enabled his success. Ryan stands apart by embracing purpose-driven leadership, inspi…
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S02E69 Growing A Successful Personal Injury Firm with Mitchell Panter
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33:25How do you build a thriving personal injury law firm that stands the test of time? Mitchell Panter, managing partner of Panter, Panter and Sampedro in Miami, reveals the strategies that have sustained his practice for over three decades. At the core of his success lies a meticulous client intake process that evaluates case viability from day one. U…
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S02E68 Asbestos Litigation Changes with Justinian Lane
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26:59Justinian Lane’s grandfather survived World War II but later faced a deadly battle with asbestos exposure—an illness that impacted three generations of their family. This deeply personal experience inspired Lane to shift from a career in IT to becoming a dedicated advocate for asbestos victims, a powerful journey he shares in this compelling conver…
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S02E67 401k Retirement Plan Options with Matt Ruttenberg
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32:40Most attorneys view 401k plans simply as employee benefits, but Matt reveals they're powerful financial tools when properly structured. "That's probably about the farthest from the truth that I can explain to someone," he says, comparing the difference between boilerplate retirement plans and customized solutions to the difference between using a l…
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S02E66 Sciences & Intellectual Property with Daniel Scola, Jr.
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29:23A scientist's stolen notebook sparked Dan Scola's passion for intellectual property law. Now a managing partner at Hoffman Baron LLP, Dan reveals the essential yet often misunderstood world of IP protection on this episode of Leadership in Law. Dan explains that inventors must balance sharing their ideas to sell them with protecting those ideas to …
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S02E65 Biz Law & Pro Bono to Keep Life Interesting with Elissa Hecker
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25:30What truly protects a growing business in today's complex legal landscape? Attorney Elissa Hecker pulls back the curtain on the essential legal foundations every entrepreneur needs but often overlooks. Celebrating 21 years as a legal solopreneur, Elissa offers a practical take on business law, guiding listeners through three key pillars: the right …
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S02E64 Managing Multiple Threats & Staying Calm with Michael Stockham
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26:35What happens when a poetry major becomes a high-stakes litigator and bestselling novelist? Michael Stockham's fascinating career journey provides a masterclass in leadership versatility and pursuing creative passions alongside demanding professional responsibilities. Michael, a partner at Holland & Knight, specializes in guiding companies through h…
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Welcome to our exclusive webinar on mastering Streaming TV Ads (PrimeLegalAds.com)! Connected TV (CTV) advertising lets you reach your target audience when they’re tuning in – right in their living rooms. Join Marilyn as she dives into the world of Streaming TV advertising and performance marketing. In this insightful session, you'll learn what str…
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S02E63 Never Stop Marketing with RJon Robins
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44:40What if the key to sustainable law firm growth is hiding in plain sight? RJon Robins, eight-figure entrepreneur and founder of How to Manage a Small Law Firm, shares a counterintuitive truth about marketing that transformed his kitchen-table startup into a multimillion-dollar business serving over 600 law firms across multiple countries. RJon, who’…
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S02E62 Authentic Communication with Mario Wissa
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22:01Communication expert Mario Wissa shares his inspiring journey from his unique upbringing in Cairo to becoming a globally recognized communication specialist and author, highlighting the power of words to shape our world. At the core of our discussion is Mario Wissa’s groundbreaking definition of communication as a continuous exchange of information…
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S02E61 Using AI as a Tool for Firm Growth with Nile Frater
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29:59What if your SEO strategy focused less on vanity metrics and more on client acquisition? In this game-changing conversation, Nile Frater, founder of Masse, reveals how his agency grew from zero to $1.5 million in annual revenue in just 12 months using a revolutionary human-AI hybrid approach to content creation. Unlike many digital marketers who ei…
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S02E60 Using Social Media & Podcasting for Authority with Jon Groth
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25:41From a basement office with nothing but "a computer, a printer, and a cell phone" to a thriving personal injury practice with over 30 employees across multiple states - Jon Groth's leadership journey offers a masterclass in law firm growth. What does it take to build a successful legal practice from the ground up? For Jon, it began with a powerful …
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S02E59 Complex Landscape of IP and AI with Dr. Don Simmonds
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30:11Trademark attorney Dr. Don Simmonds takes us on a fascinating journey through the complex intersection of artificial intelligence and intellectual property law. As an early adopter who gained access to OpenAI before ChatGPT became publicly available, Dr. Don brings a uniquely informed perspective on how these technologies are reshaping the legal la…
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S02E58 Fiduciary-Driven Advice with Adam Koós
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29:48What's the point of building wealth if you never have time to enjoy it? This question gets to the heart of why so many successful law firm owners find themselves trapped in practices that demand everything but deliver frustratingly little freedom. Adam Koós, President of Libertas Wealth and Investopedia Top 100 Advisor, shares powerful insights on …
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S02E57 Lessons in Leadership and Firm Growth with Ross Pitcoff
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22:54Ross Pitcoff has built something remarkable - transforming his solo law practice into the 11th fastest growing small law firm in America. How did he do it? The managing partner of Pitcoff Law Group shares his extraordinary journey with both candor and wisdom. "Operating a business internally is very different than looking externally," Ross explains…
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S02E56 Hub and Spoke Marketing Simplified with Nancy Cavey
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30:55What if potential clients were already sold on hiring you before they even reached out? That's the reality attorney Nancy Cavey has created through her innovative content marketing approach, and in this episode, she breaks down exactly how she does it. Nancy reveals how she transformed from practicing in a marketing-averse legal environment to crea…
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S02E55 Leading with Emotional Intelligence with Lexlee Overton
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32:15From courtroom panic attacks to coaching thousands of attorneys nationwide, Lexlee Overton's journey reveals the profound connection between emotional intelligence and law firm success. This eye-opening conversation explores why managing energy—not just time—determines whether your firm thrives or merely survives. Lexlee shares the science behind w…
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S02E54 Build A Predictable And Scalable Referral System with Devin Sizemore
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36:02Ever wonder why your network isn't generating the high-quality referrals you know it should? The answer might surprise you. In this eye-opening conversation with connection expert Devin Sizemore, we uncover the fundamental flaw in how most legal professionals approach referrals and networking. Devin reveals his Connection Expansion System that has …
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S02E53 Vision, Values, & Having it 'All' with Brian Glass
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26:35What if your law firm could be designed around your life rather than the other way around? Brian Glass, trial lawyer and entrepreneur extraordinaire, reveals how he built a multimillion-dollar practice while prioritizing family dinners and coaching youth sports. Brian advocates for rejecting conventional business wisdom that focuses solely on reven…
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BONUS How Law Firms Win With Google Local Services Ads
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29:18In this session, we will show you how to tap into the power of Local Service Ads in your area to generate more leads, more calls & a great ROI. What You're Going to Learn: - Why Local Service Ads is a no-brainer for most Law Firms - How you can jump on board (if you have not already) - What it takes to rank in the top 3 results - How you can take a…
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S02E52 Building Your Leadership Skills with Davina Frederick
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38:49Your law degree prepared you for the courtroom—not for leading a team. In this compelling conversation, Davina Frederick, founder of Wealthy Woman Lawyer, shares the leadership insights that transformed her own practice and now help women attorneys scale their firms to seven figures "with total ease." The distinction between management and leadersh…
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S02E51 How Digital Billboards Can Help Your Digital Marketing with RJ Schultz
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33:25In this engaging episode, we dive deep into the world of billboard advertising with RJ Schultz, COO of Blip, a revolutionary platform that empowers businesses to leverage out-of-home advertising like never before. Discover the innovative ways billboards can become a powerful tool in your marketing strategy, regardless of your budget. RJ shares insi…
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50 The Secrets to Thriving as a High-Achieving Woman with Jo Stone
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26:36Life in a high-achieving role often leads to stress, burnout, and questioning one's path. In this enlightening episode, Jo Stone, founder and CEO of The Balance Institute, shares her story from executive burnout to establishing a fulfilling career focused on helping other women navigate similar challenges. Through a blend of personal anecdotes and …
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49 How Google Knowledge Panels Help Your Overall SEO with Jason Barnard
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28:12Unlock the secrets to maximizing your brand's digital footprint with insights from Jason Barnard, the mastermind behind Kalicube. Discover how Google's knowledge panels operate and why you don't need to be a celebrity to command authority in your niche. This episode guarantees a comprehensive understanding of how to shape Google's perception of you…
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