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Maddie R Podcasts
Best friends Haley Chapman and Gavyn Bailey host And That’s That On That. The hosts bring a wealth of knowledge and humor to each episode, featuring insightful interviews with accomplished artists and creators across various sectors of the industry such as Katie Gavin (MUNA), Zach Charles (A R I Z O N A), ELIO, Maddie Grace Jepson, Aidan Bissett, Gatlin and many others, as well as funny, real, and honest stories about living out their twenties. Every week brings something new. If you're a fa ...
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join sisters maddie and lily rice for the greatest pod to ever be casted. Catch irrelevant news, obscure references, and archaic true stories in this weekly comedy podcast.
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Who's a wounded healer? It's any one of us who works in a caring profession and is bravely doing their own work, while helping others. My goal is to share the parallel journey we as healers walk along with our clients and how we attend to our own humanity while caring for others. My podcast is about conversations and community building, what we can learn from each other, and how we can help heal each other. We're cultivating a space where we celebrate vulnerability, authenticity and "showing ...
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Literally a funny unprofessional mess (not clickbait lol)
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Shame Resilience & the Myth of Competence with Maddie Tonjes, LCSW, Group Practice (R)evolution
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39:08Gen Z is at the mic, and they have some thoughts. I can feel my fellow "olds" getting their hackles up. But, hold on! I'm asking all of us to stay curious, regardless of generational or career-stage identity. Isn't that what we instruct our clients to do when faced with new information or complicated emotions? Time to take our own advice! Maddie To…
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S3/E12: And That's On A New Year & A New Kidney
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58:24✨Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop! Connect with us on Instagram & TikTok while you're at it 🫶🏻✨ This week, Haley and Gavyn sit down for their final episode before their “brief” medical leave post–kidney transplant hiatus. They talk about their ins and outs for …
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S3/E11: And That's On A Mariah and Shania Xmas
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1:02:34🎄Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop!🎄 We’re back with our holiday special extravaganza! This week, we reminisce about the exact moments we learned Santa wasn’t real, relive iconic Christmas memories, including questionable holiday cocktails and Del Taco traditions, and s…
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305 - Behavioral Health Trends You Need to Know for Therapy Practices in 2026
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22:19The end-of-year mental health-related assessments are in and, y'all. You. All! These reports offer some bad news and worse news. Sorry, I ran out of sugar-coating; it's been a long year. Psychotherapy Action Network's latest survey uncovered a substantial disconnect between what PMCs, for-profit private management companies like Alma, Headway, and …
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S3/E10: And That’s On Hiccups and Healing
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1:00:26✨Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop!✨ Guess who’s in their consistency era? (That’s on character development!) In this episode, Haley accidentally launches herself into orbit courtesy of a mystery gummy, while Gavyn gets unexpectedly acquainted with modern medicine and a…
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304 - Supporting the "Becoming" of Others in Therapy with Santiago Delboy
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28:54Before pursuing a career as a psychotherapist, clinical supervisor, and founder of Fermata Psychotherapy, a psychoanalytic group practice in Chicago, Santiago Delboy, MBA, LCSW, spent over a decade climbing the corporate ladder in the US and his home country of Peru. The shift forced him to grapple with the "disagreeable" parts of himself. In a nod…
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S3/E9: And That's On Cancelling Labubus w/ Jared Kaner
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1:22:23✨Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop! Connect with us on Instagram & TikTok while you're at it 🫶🏻✨ This week, Haley and Gavyn sit down with artist and songwriter manager, A&R, founder of The Arena Music, and—once upon a time—Gavyn’s boss, Jared Kaner. They get int…
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✨Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop!✨ Happy Holidays and Happy Thanksgiving to our beautiful listeners! This week, Haley and Gavyn gather around the proverbial Thanksgiving table for a cozy holiday episode. They take a trip down memory lane and revisit old episodes in a …
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303 - How We Relate to the Moment Impacts How We Show Up as Therapists with Santiago Delboy
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35:11All of us show up with multiple identities (partner, parent, revolutionary, etc.). How do we, as therapists, get better at existing in discomfort and creating space where everyone can explore without rushing to define themselves? Santiago Delboy, MBA, LCSW, is a psychotherapist, clinical supervisor, and founder of Fermata Psychotherapy, a psychoana…
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S3/E7: And That’s On Decoding Your Dreams w/ Debbii Dawson
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1:04:10✨Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop! Connect with us on Instagram & TikTok while you're at it 🫶🏻✨ Breaking news! Gavyn finally left his apartment which means he and Haley are back in the same room for the first time in a year. Huge! They’re joined by the incredible a…
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New Ways to Survive and Thrive as an Entrepreneur with Uriah Guilford, Productive Therapist - Group Practice (R)evolution
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38:13Scan any therapists' forum and you'll discover that the operational strategies that group practices have relied on no longer work. Could organizing principles like collaboratives, collectives, and cooperatives offer group practices new ways to thrive? Uriah Guilford, MFT, thinks so! He has had success bucking the industry's tried-and-true practice …
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✨Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop!✨ Guess who actually showed up two weeks in a row? (Miracles do happen.) In this episode, Haley takes us through the iOS update from hell, a laundry room run-in with a shirtless short king (that nearly ended in disaster), and why turni…
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302 - Creating Conditions in Which People Can Heal with Michael Sykes
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29:46The answer to righting the world's many wrongs is more love. Love is also the problem. If you're new here, then solving this conundrum may seem hopeless. Fear not! In part one of my conversation with Michael Sykes, we began with a simple question: How can we encourage ideas or policies rich in love for each other when so many of us struggle to love…
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Don't forget to subscribe, rate this podcast & hit the notification bell so you get alerts when new episodes drop! You guys… we’re embarrassed (monkey covering eye emoji)… We didn’t mean to take another hiatus. But what matters is we’re back and this time, we’re here to stay. We SWEAR! On this week’s solo episode, we cover everything from men’s Ins…
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301 - Realize How Much You're Worth with Michael Sykes
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30:42Some people remind us to trust the process, even when it seems hopeless. Michael Sykes is one of those people. He's the cheerleader encouraging us on the uneasy journey to authenticity. What I appreciate most is his commitment to integrity, even when the path toward that innate wholeness feels inaccessible. He doesn't shy away from sharing the most…
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How Can We Support New Clinicians Through Imposter Syndrome And More? with Sierra Waller - Group Practice (R)evolution
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36:38Chats with group practice employees are more fun when you're not their practice owner! Maybe a bit more revealing, too. Such is the case with my guest, Sierra Waller, LCPC, an early-career therapist working at Health In Tandem, a small group practice in Chicago. Apologies if you've landed here hoping for a gripe-and-gossip session. Instead, Sierra …
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300 - How to Be a Conscious Leader Without Closing Off Your Heart with Julianne Guinasso
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32:30How do leaders keep their heads clear and hearts open in the heat of difficult conversations? I ask because it's only natural for leaders (and any human, really) to bristle at opposition to their ideas, critique of their efforts, or recommendations for improvement. Being in community with each other requires a high level of mutual responsibility. B…
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299 - Changing Systems From the Inside with Julianne Guinasso
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29:51Outward change (to our profession, our communities, and our world) can only happen when we start from within—and we're gonna need all the help we can get. Julianne Guinasso, LMFT, is a role model for these contentious times. She's a therapist in private practice and the co-founder of Level Up Leaders, a partnership that helps mental health group pr…
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What the Growing Political Divide Means for Your Business with Gabrielle Juliano-Villani - Group Practice (R)evolution
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42:03I'll start by stating the obvious. Being a group practice owner or group practice therapist in "unprecedented times" is a challenging endeavor. Our people and profession are struggling under the pressures of late-stage capitalism, antagonistic politics, and rage-bait algorithms —the same forces that affect our clients. I'll follow up the obvious wi…
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298 - What's Wrong With Me If I'm Not Thriving? with Nora Alwah
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26:06Are you an n'betweener? Before you answer, I recommend queuing up part one of my conversation with Nora Alwah, LPC, the coach, therapist, TEDx speaker, and community-builder. She coined the term n'betweener© to describe those who, like herself, feel suspended between two (or more) identities; not fully inhabiting one or the other. In part two, Nora…
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297 - Global Perspectives on Identity, Mental Health, and Psychology with Nora Alwah
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28:32Many of us know what it feels like to navigate a middle space. Folks who are gender-fluid come to mind. But I'm also thinking of those who balance a privileged identity with their relationship to a traditionally oppressed group. Or anyone whose ethnicity is not commonly associated with the culture in which they grew up. How do we express this compl…
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Managing Beginnings and Endings as a Business Owner with Rebecca Slusher - Group Practice (R)evolution
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34:37There's an obvious throughline that runs from productive feedback to authentic relationships. And vice versa. Rebecca Slusher, LPCP, is the owner of Balanced Life Counseling in Chicago. She understands that managing the group's needs for connection, empathy, and equitable conflict resolution, while navigating the daily realities of doing business, …
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296 - Resigning from Roles: Estrangement and Authenticity with Annie Schuessler Zam
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30:03Welcome to Part 2 of my catch-up with Annie Schuessler Zam. If you haven't already, I recommend starting with Part 1: A Continuum of Connection: Parent-Child Relationships, Caregiving, and Self-Healing. I consider Annie as a case study in remaining open to possibility. She embodies a fearlessness that we all possess but often shy away from activati…
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295 - A Continuum of Connection: Parent-Child Relationships, Caregiving, and Self-Healing with Annie Schuessler Zam
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27:48Shout out to all the folks who continue to show up for themselves. Lending physical and emotional support to others is easy. Extending that same amount of empathy and reliability to ourselves? Ugh, no. That's why many of us abandon our healing work just as things start to challenge us. But the muck is where we need to be if we have any hope of grow…
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What Do I Need to Thrive as a Human Being AND Therapist Right Now? with Sam Perry - Group Practice (R)evolution
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35:22The solution to all (okay, most) of the challenges facing group practices is embedded, quite cleverly, in the name. Owner, admin, or therapist, your individual participation informs the altruistic and financial goals of the entire practice. And also… Groups are powered by people––real, live humans with individual expectations, convictions, experien…
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294 - Do Your Work so You Can Show Up in Friendship with Mishara D. Winston and Christina Michelle Watkins
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40:06I hate to break it to you, but friendships require effort. Actually, I'm happy to pass that info on! Part Two of the conversation between Mishara D. Winston and Christina Michelle Watkins delves into the realities of authentic connection––notably, how we take responsibility for our attachment styles and our roles in a healthy rift-and-repair proces…
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293 - How to Intentionally Love Each Other Despite Our Differences with Mishara D. Winston and Christina Michelle Watkins
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33:14What does it mean to be a good friend? If you're struggling to answer, my next question might help you find the words. How do we learn the skills to maintain genuine, deeply nourishing friendships? For this special episode, I've enlisted a pair of exceptional role models: Mishara D. Winston and Christina Michelle Watkins, two visionary healers and …
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Balancing Business and Human Connection with Amy Zajakowski Uhll - Group Practice (R)evolution
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36:09Good people create great group practices. Eventually. I tacked that adverb on the end not to undermine anyone's ability to craft cultures of transparency and inclusivity, but to acknowledge that the whole shebang requires constant work. Amy Zajakowski Uhll, LCPC, founder and director of Chicago Center for Integration and Healing (CCIH), is an excel…
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292 - Simon Mont, Part 2 - What Is Your God and How Aware of That Are You?
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32:26If Simon Mont wants to get into a conversation about ego, idols, and the mystical process of birthing new realities, who am I to discourage him? "Whatever you're ultimately concerned with is, definitionally, your God," he begins. "God comes from the German: that which you invoke. It's what you're invoking in every moment." Thus begins the second ha…
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291 - Simon Mont, Part 1 - How Do We Build the World Our Hearts Know Is Possible?
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30:40Now, I can't promise that a chat with Simon Mont will soothe away the complexities of our current socio-political environment. But, it can reconnect us to the big feelings and deep thoughts that we often abandoned in favor of surviving these "unprecedented times." Simon is co-founder of Harmonize, the consulting firm that helps groups bridge the ga…
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Group Practice (R)evolution: Questions to Ask When Applying for a Job with Sthefany Alviar
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37:13How can we improve communication between practice owners and employees? Sthefany Alviar reveals insights from the contrast between her current role at Mirjam Quinn and Associates and a previous, less supportive private practice. She and Sarah explore issues such as financial transparency, the challenges of transitioning from salaried to contractual…
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290 - Tamila Gresham, Part 2 - Engaging a Framework of Power, Belonging and Justice
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28:20As promised, here's the fantastic part two of my conversation with Tamila Gresham. We delve into the foundational pieces of accountability: knowledge, nuance, relationship, and vulnerability. You know what to do if you haven't met her yet: hit play on part one. Tamilia is co-founder of Harmonize, a consulting firm that helps organizations bridge th…
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289 - Tamila Gresham, Part 1 - Therapy is Political: Learning the Actions to Go With the Activation
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27:00Some advice for therapists and those in adjacent healing professions: This (gestures wildly at everything) is not the time to close ranks. We're being called to proceed with less ego and more accountability. Lately, however, anger (much of it warranted) and impatience have turned accountability into more of a cudgel than the intended call-in. Tamil…
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Group Practice (R)evolution: The Ideals of Therapy vs the Limitations of Capitalism with Jeff Levy
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39:55How can we learn from past experiences to improve future practices? You may not know this but LGBTQ-focused group practices are a fairly recent development in our field. Jeff Levy recounts his journey from co-founding Live Oak, in Chicago, to his current solo private practice with a focus on virtual therapy and consultations. He and Sarah discuss t…
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288 - David Allen, Part 2 - The Beautiful Process of Really Hearing What People Want
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33:03David Allen is quietly and thoroughly advancing the notion of masculinity into a new era. He's a tattoo artist working with post-mastectomy clients in Chicago. David is also a father who, despite his childhood wounds, has devoted himself to raising emotionally intelligent kids. It's a path informed by his work with cancer patients, his ancestral li…
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287 - David Allen, Part 1 - A Tattoo Artist Holding Space for Healing and Renewal
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28:43Look for the helpers. It's a simple axiom meant to comfort small children, a reminder to find supportive adults in times of distress. But good advice doesn't stop being good just because we've aged out of the original target audience. Adults need helpers, too. David Allen is an absolute gem of a helper, an art director turned tattoo artist who work…
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Group Practice (R)evolution: Sustainable Solutions for Staff Retention and Satisfaction with Jennifer Froemel
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37:01If you work inside a group practice, why do you stay? And if you lead a group practice, do you know why your employees stay? Or… why they don't? Jennifer Fromel is a bilingual mental health clinician with over 30 years of experience across various clinical and supervisory settings, specializing in trauma, evidence-based interventions, and integrati…
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286 - Steve Duke, Part 2 - Reimagining the Future of Therapy and Human Connection Beyond AI
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28:38Ready to dive into artificial intelligence in the therapy space?! Steve Duke, founder of The Hemingway Group, is back for part two of our conversation. Steve helps us think more purposefully about how we can AI-proof the relational component of therapy while acknowledging that the tech may make other aspects of the job easier, like note-taking. GUE…
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285 - Steve Duke, Part 1 - The Dilemma of Venture Capital and Tech Platforms vs Quality of Care in the Therapy Field
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25:00How are y'all doing while the United States (specifically) plummets into political, social, and economic freefall? Therapists are freaking tf out right with good reason. We're at a tipping point in the evolution of our field, especially when it comes to the rapid ascendancy of venture capital, consolidation, and technology––those AI chatbots lurkin…
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Group Practice Revolution: Creating Emotional Safety, Belonging, and Buy-In With Your Staff with Mirjam Quinn
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31:58How do you support group practice employees to feel connected, engaged, and motivated? HINT: It might have something to do with building the capacity to receive and act on feedback. Mirjam Quinn (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist and the founder of Mirjam Quinn and Associates, a group practice in Chicago that provides affirming therapy, …
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284 - Heather Lovegood, Part 2 - Tap Into the Healing Wisdom of Body and Spirit
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26:53"I thought I knew what this conversation might be like. I had all my worries, concerns, and anticipations of what might be brought up––and it didn't go that way," laughs Heather Lovegood. Intrigued?? Check out part one, and then come back here for the conclusion of my conversation with Heather, a holistic bodyworker and lymphatic drainage expert wh…
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283 - Heather Lovegood, Part 1 - Surrender in the Face of Fear of the Unknown
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27:17I'm a firm believer in the connectedness of everything. Healing happens at the intersection of spirituality, science, and Indigenous wisdom. Sure, each principle can (and has!) exist in its own sphere, but the true magic is in the mix. Heather Lovegood agrees. She's a holistic bodyworker and lymphatic drainage expert who provides healing-centered, …
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Group Practice (R)evolution: Sparking Change with Magic and Mindset
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6:52How do we bridge the divide between practice owners and employees in the therapy field to create better healing environments for everyone? Discover how innovation, open communication, and shared values can transform group practices, resulting in a culture of connection. Group Practice (R)evolution is a new platform and podcast series offering insig…
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282 - Cara Chae, Part 2 - How to Balance Compassion With Boundaries in Group Practice
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27:24Leadership is lonely, y'all. It's also hella rewarding. Cara Chae, LCPC, knows this duality all too well. She's working on finding (and holding!) the balance between the two––an evolutionary pursuit that resonates with many. GUEST BIO Cara Chae, LCPC, (she/her) is a psychotherapist working in a group private practice in Chicago. Her professional in…
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281 - Cara Chae, Part 1 - Facing Doubts on the Road to Authentic Leadership
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31:04Cue the klieg lights and gift bags because THIS episode marks the seventh anniversary of Conversations With A Wounded Healer! Major thanks to everyone from the OG fans to the newbies. I couldn't do it without you, which is the perfect segue to today's episode. Cara Chae, LCPC, is a psychotherapist at Inner Voice Psychotherapy, a group private pract…
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280 - Ted Rau, Part 2 - Snap Out of Cynicism and Ignite a Glimmer of Hope!
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28:35If you missed Part One of my conversation with sociocracy expert Ted Rau, PhD., hit play on that episode now. You won't be disappointed, nor will you want to miss our introduction to sociocracy, the decentralized way for organizations, workplaces, and communities to make decisions. In Part Two, Ted and I expand on how sociocracy might work in the g…
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279 - Ted Rau, Part 1 - Leading Therapy Practices to a New Future Through Collective Governance
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31:18Change may be inevitable, but it's far from easy. That's especially true in the therapy field. Part of my own shift is a greater focus (on this podcast and IRL) on system-wide transformation, especially in the group practice realm. How do we bridge the gap between employees and owners when both feel overworked and underpaid? Sociocracy could be the…
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278 - Judith Herman - Activism is the Antidote to Despair
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49:08In the words of my esteemed co-host, Anne Remy, "There's a difference between an elder and a person who is older than you." Judith Lewis Herman, MD, is wise––a psychiatrist, professor, researcher, author, and advocate who helped establish the diagnosis of PTSD back before many of us were born. In addition to her work with veterans and children, Jud…
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277 - Ki Smith - Why Curiosity is the Best Catalyst for Change
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54:59There's no denying that our systems and selves are at a crossroads. So, my fellow therapists, will we accept the universe's invitation to evolve, or will the profession regress beyond the point of no return? Ki Smith believes in the potential of the collective to transform and transcend our current fractured moment. They're a psychotherapist, coach…
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276 - Elle McAlpine - An Intimacy Coordinator Sets the Stage for Consent and Authentic Connection on Screen and in Real Life
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52:07Let's play fill-in-the-blank: Sex is _____ . The possibilities are endless! But, my word of choice is intimate. It's a perfect shorthand for the spectrum of desires, experiences, and, yes, traumas that inform every sexual encounter––even if the act in question is fake. As in: part of an acclaimed Hollywood film in which sex represents the main char…
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