Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
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Flying Pigs, Shipwrecks, and Sanctification
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45:57John ponders whether AI will take our podcasting jobs and hates when his favorite shows "jump the shark.” Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a WAY too firm handshake from an audience member and gets suspicious of the woman who survived 3 famous ship disasters Plus, a conversation about Sanctification, Niceness, and why we are (hopefully) falling down an up esc…
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Super Glue, Exploding Whales, and Thankfulness
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33:46John's standing desk goes rogue and he learns a musical use for Super Glue. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why the sandwich was invented and tells the tale of the exploding whale in Oregon. Plus, a conversation about giving, receiving, and a perspective of gratitude. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Government: "We're back up and running (until t…
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Favorite Chairs, Shattered Backboards, and Loving Our Enemies
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31:05John finds his bald band of brothers and hopes he eventually gets a recliner. Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a famous golf destination and reveals yet another 80's political scandal that is just adorable by today's standards. Plus, a conversation about winning the culture war and losing our way. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Daylight Savings Time: …
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John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about pillows and hopes he'll be a new man in 7 years. Plus, a conversation about how grace goes against our urge to achieve approval. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Books: "Just like an audiobo…
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Steroid Shots, Bad Eyes, and Dehumanization
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41:59John gets over his fear of needles and gets emotional listening to Guns N Roses. Meanwhile, Jonnie figures out his eyes are failing while hanging out with a younger person and tells us about the time a man took his wife on a balloon ride 11 miles up. Plus, a conversation about the death of nuance, and why the internet has turned our conversations i…
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Nacho Libre, Adult Braces, and Misinformation
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46:40John reminisces on his childhood days as a pool shark and tells us why he is a prisoner in his own mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides minivans aren't so bad and begins a frantic search for an audience member who used a funny alias at his show (and then had a serious thing happen to him). Plus, a conversation about truth, propaganda, and why we really…
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John is enamored with his car's technology and patiently awaits Nashville's new tunnel system. Meanwhile, Jonnie does a show for people in recovery and tells the tale of a woman who rode a bicycle an unreasonable distance. Plus, a conversation about affirmation, encouragement and how we never really stop becoming something. Today's episode is NOT s…
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John wants a 3D printed liver and spends a week at home alone watching movies his wife would hate. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders how adorable old political scandals are when compared with today's and celebrates the birthday of an author who sold a lot of books… and got his predictions wrong 100% of the time. Plus, a conversation about submission and ob…
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Spider Therapy, Shark Jumping, and Anxiety
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41:14John goes snake hunting and tells us why he doesn't like scary movies. Meanwhile Jonnie visits Stephen King's house in Maine and shares the story of the man who quit drumming for the Beatles to go back to driving a forklift. Plus, a conversation about the anxiety built into modern life and the challenges this generation faces that we never had to d…
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Car Wrecks, Jingles, and Virtue Signaling
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45:34John has a serious dilemma when choosing a license plate and is upset by the current trends in facial hair. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives an update on his scratched car and tells us why it's not quite like the parable of the Good Samaritan. Plus, a conversation about cultural baggage around the word "Christian" and the balance between proclaiming our fai…
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John pits AI servers against one another and learns about a war that lasted about as long as this episode. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a mysterious note from a stranger and tells us the strange (and misremembered) history of the "Rosie the Riveter" poster. Plus, a conversation about tradition and the tension we hold between honoring the past and chartin…
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Mouth Tape, Old Hymns, and Confirmation Bias
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51:18John tells us his elaborate sleeping regimen, and tries to bring back the offeratory in church services. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a case of the "church giggles", and shares the complicated history of The Wizard of Oz. Plus, a conversation about confirmation bias, and why truthfulness still matters. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Self-Checkou…
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Fencepost Turtles, Boat People, and The Pursuit of Happiness
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42:08John doesn't have time to kayak and doesn't sell his soul (because he got no offers). Meanwhile, Jonnie performs feats of strength at a show, and tells the history of the plastic car made of soybeans. Plus, a conversation about the pursuit of happiness and why it makes so many of us miserable. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by LED Lightbulbs: "We…
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Engine Explosions, Bird Attacks, and Hopelessness
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58:09John learns about the Mandela Effect and tells us whether he'd sell the awards he's won for writing. Meanwhile, Jonnie opens a timeshare for birds and thinks today's generation is WAY too hydrated. Plus, a conversation about despair and why chasing comfort can be a detriment to authentic faith. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Trophy Shops: "If …
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Stolen Phones, Window Taxes, and Bad Referees
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55:20John celebrates the contentious history of the ice cream cone, and never goes anywhere without his emergency jacket. Meanwhile, Jonnie hurts himself on a Ninja Warrior course, and tells us about the time England taxed windows. Plus, a conversation about how a good church service is like a good pair of shoes, and a good referee. Today's episode is N…
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John traps a groundhog and immediately makes it into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie doesn't like it when restaurants use animals as mascots, and learns about the time in history when tomatoes were considered poisonous. Plus, a conversation about masculinity, vulnerability, and common sense. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Pickleball: …
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Tree Invasions, Listener Emails, and Idols
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54:43John goes for a jog and gets attacked by an unlikely predator. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides not to tell his Kenny Rogers joke for a very good reason, and dreams of getting a key to the City (any city will do). Plus, we learn why anxiety is like a rocking chair (and not in a good way), and how security can become an unhealthy fixation. Today's Episode …
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John goes to an archeological dig and channels his inner Indiana Jones for a history book project. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes us behind the scenes for his debut performance at the Grand Ole Opry and ponders whether children's books are pro-insect propaganda. Plus, a conversation about honoring our thoughts and moods without letting them have undue inf…
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John fights to remove some unwelcome houseguests before they cost him his savings (and sanity). Meanwhile, Jonnie gets creeped out in the restroom at the Nashville Zoo and reveals why M&M's candies were sold to the military in the 1940's. Plus, a conversation about the purpose of the church, and the importance of focusing on authenticity, rather th…
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Uncle Sam, Rabbit Attacks, and Gratefulness
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43:00John has an awkward encounter with a possum and issues a retraction about St. Bernards. Meanwhile, Jonnie performs at a wedding reception and reveals the world record for most people shaved in an hour. Plus, a conversation about gratitude and why "counting our blessings" changes our mindset. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Memory Foam Pillows: …
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Disney Hugs, Ranch Retractions, and Battles
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48:10John issues a retraction about ranch dressing and pours money into an old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why a hug from a Disney character is the best and tells us why fashion matters more than you think when climbing Mt. Everest. Plus, a conversation about picking your battles, and beginning with the end in mind. Today's episode is NOT sponsored b…
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90's Country, Lottery Dreams, and Ego Death
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52:42John puts himself on the (literal) hot seat and buys a Cadillac made of gold. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the "Dancing Plague" of the 16th Century and the strange reason ketchup was invented. Plus, a conversation about the difference between healthy confidence and a self-destructive ego. Today episode is NOT sponsored by Biscuits & Gravy : "Wh…
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Family Trips, 3-Year Beards, and Self-Talk
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45:37John stays in a hiking lodge with strangers and tells us why some things are better off being dirty. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a mishap trimming his goatee and reveals the pecking order of entertainers. Plus, a conversation about Self-Talk and why your words may matter more than you think. Today's episode is not sponsored by Garage Sales: "When you rea…
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John wants to take a long train ride and is exhausted by AI deep fake videos. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a Facebook comment that is actually helpful and makes a big splash when he reveals his very first memory from childhood. Plus, a conversation about how the movies and media we consume shape our personality and core values. Today's episode is NOT spo…
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A-Listers, Interrupting Dogs, and Inspiration
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33:26John defies his GPS and begrudgingly admits his father's motto was actually pretty great. Meanwhile, Jonnie brags about his elite status on a budget airline and tells the story of the time a solar eclipse stopped a war and led to a royal wedding. Plus, a conversation about validating our feelings without always being driven by them. Today's episode…
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Ghost Camels, Arranged Marriages, and Dyed Souls
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50:24John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona. Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts…
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John critiques the Big Mac and tries to be productive, but only if he can track it on his phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a decade-old video go viral and does a Maypole dance against his Mom’s wishes. Plus, a conversation about dopamine addiction and the urge to oversimplify problems that need more nuance. Today’s Episode is NOT sponsored by “Meaty Ok…
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Elon Implants, Lottery Cheats, and Emotional Maturity
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43:47John gets invited by Jonnie to a gender reveal party for an insect and refuses to get his brain hacked by Elon Musk. Meanwhile, Jonnie thinks Abe Lincoln should’ve seen a dermatologist and tells us the history of the zipper. Plus, a conversation about emotional maturity and the right way to change someone’s mind. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by…
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Disney Trips, Shiny Heads, and Impostor Syndrome
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53:24John tries to stop his head from shining, and tells us the illustrious history of the Slurpee. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a 20 year old movie, and shares the story of the time Winnie the Pooh got sued for assault. Plus, a conversation about side-hustles, impostor syndrome, and why some of our favorite people doubt their abilities. Today's episode is…
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Movie Theaters, Magic Tricks, and Hardships
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45:40John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: …
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Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy
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53:03John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian. Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the fl…
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John gets bougie with the sideline snacks for his daughter's volleyball game and wonders if Daniel from the Bible snuggled with the lions. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives us the strange history of the washing machine and gets intimidated at an event when he hears the list of previous keynote speakers. Plus, a conversation about virtuous leadership, honor, …
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Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism
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44:07John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase. Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Grapefruit: "If you like orang…
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Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love
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35:19John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts. Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Restaurant T…
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John tells us about his short-lived career as a rapper and ponders how much protection his book would offer against a would be assassin. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his rock band's name way too many times and tries in vain to stop a rodent infestation. Plus, a conversation about how God shapes us through pain and disappointment, and why that's actual…
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Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors
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45:17John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland. Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance. Today's episod…
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Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty
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48:34John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors. Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be t…
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Overpacking, Phone Addiction, and Vulnerability
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32:49John does some retail therapy and ponders a bold new way to reduce his screen time. Meanwhile, Jonnie hits the road with way too much luggage and tells the strange history of the Patron Saint of Toothaches. Plus, a conversation about vulnerability and why a life without humility is so dangerous. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Telepathy: "Tell …
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Our Goal in Life Should Not Be Happiness. But What Should It Be Instead?
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36:08"You do not need to know precisely what is happening or exactly where it is all going. What you need is to recognize the possibilities and challenges offered by the present moment and to embrace them with courage, faith, and hope." - Thomas Merton. In this episode, we have a conversation about the "pursuit of happiness" and why adapting to challeng…
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Is Knowing Too Much Killing Our Brains? Information Overload in the Age of the Internet
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35:49Bertrand Russell said, “There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge.” If there was ever a flagship quote for our podcast, is this it? Are we drowning in knowledge? Is knowing too much actually harming our brains? In today's episode, a conversation about information overload in the age of the internet and whether knowing too much is k…
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Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?
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50:15"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie t…
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Avoiding the Comparison Trap in Your Career (Plus Missed Opportunities & Fingerless Gloves)
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44:54John comes in second place A LOT and tries his best to look menacing on his way to Walgreens. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats way too many caramels and learns that the most highly ranked restaurants are also selling car parts. Plus, a conversation about the trap of comparison and how to enjoy the one life you've been given. We make a lot of resolutions this…
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How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)
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45:27"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our convers…
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Inconvenience or Adventure? How Perspective Shapes Experience (Plus: Christmas Pickles)
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43:19Think about it: the greatest adventures you’ve experienced almost certainly had inconveniences. What mishaps are you currently experiencing that might lead to great stories later on? On this episode of Talk About That, we share some laughs about our holiday hiccups, and a few of our favorite funny moments from Christmases past. As GK Chesterton wis…
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Burning Rugs, Explosive Shoes, and Self-Righteousness
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40:08John becomes an impromptu firefighter and turns Jonnie's rental car story into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets flagged at the airport and tells us the real reason "It's a Wonderful Life" became a classic. Plus, a conversation about self-righteousness and the temptation to make the gospel about "other more sinful people" when it's real…
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John questions Santa's delivery route and takes a private jet straight to prison. Meanwhile, Jonnie has his rental car confiscated in the middle of the night, and tells the story of the time Winston Churchill got a prescription for booze. Plus, a conversation about Advent, waiting, and the beauty of brokenness. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by G…
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Frozen Turkeys, Cheapskates, and Big Tables
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34:09John tells us why we really eat turkey at Thanksgiving and is forced to perform in a talent show before he can join the feast. Meanwhile, Jonnie defends the lowly Sloppy Joe as a quality sandwich and tells the tale of the woman so cheap she made nightgowns out of newspapers. Plus, a conversation about what it really means to "prepare a table for us…
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Is Gen Z Ready to Shed Cynicism and Embrace Hope?
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34:09On this episode of Talk About That, we come back to the idea that cynicism is easy and hope is hard. If we’re not careful, we can all be cynics. But what have we built? The things that we grow and build in life that matter most are usually the people with whom we’ve built relationships. Today, John and Jonnie have a conversation about the courage i…
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John defends green peppers, eats gum wrappers, and needs a hobby. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders why people romanticize medieval times and reveals the surprising reason the sandwich was really invented. Plus, a conversation about wisdom and foolishness, and how the internet has robbed us of contemplation before rendering an opinion. Today's episode is N…
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Prayer Peekers, Smarty Pants, and Stubbornness
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42:38John keeps a secret folder of phrases to make himself look cool at parties and invents a clothing line. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders people who pray with one eye open and tells the story of the man who was jailed for 7 years for smoking tobacco. Plus, a conversation about the one thing wise and stupid people have in common. Today's episode is NOT spon…
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