On the show you can expect to hear from everyone: from the intern, to the IT audit director, CAE and audit committee members because all of their opinions are important. We'll talk about integrating tech into audit, how to get quick wins, the latest SOX guidance and whatever other topics the guests want to talk about and whatever you want to hear about. Be sure to subscribe to the show in whatever you're listening to it on now and we'll talk to you soon.
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Holiday Giveaway from The Audit Podcast 2025
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6:05To wrap up the year, Trent Russell is giving away a copy of Getting Ready to Roar: A Chief Auditor's Guide from Audit Room to Boardroom by Navin Pasricha—a book he believes every auditor should have on their shelf. How to enter: • Find the giveaway post on LinkedIn (from The Audit Podcast or Trent Russell) and leave a comment • Want an extra entry?…
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IA on AI – Keep AI browsers out of your enterprise
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3:31Links: Keep AI browsers out of your enterprise, warns Gartner OpenAI warns new models pose 'high' cybersecurity risk Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en Also be s…
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This week on The Audit Podcast, we're doing something a little different. It's an end-of-year, blooper-style episode that pulls back the curtain on the show. You'll hear the unscripted moments, side comments, and behind-the-scenes bits that usually get edited out—including just how many times Trent says, "Mary Charles cut that out." throughout the …
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Ep 267: Eric Wilson Interviews Trent Russell (Part 2)
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20:36This week on The Audit Podcast, there's a new host in town… and it's not me. Eric Wilson steps in and leads a reverse interview where I finally take a turn as the guest. Be sure to connect with Eric on LinkedIn. Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok. Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast …
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Ep 266: Eric Wilson Interviews Trent Russell (Part 1)
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37:29This week on The Audit Podcast, there's a new host in town… and it's not me. Eric Wilson steps in and leads a reverse interview where I finally take a turn as the guest. Be sure to connect with Eric on LinkedIn. Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok. Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast …
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Ep 265: Stepping into the CAE Role w/ Mike McDonald (BorgWarner)
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26:26This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Mike McDonald, Chief Audit Executive at BorgWarner. This episode is a little different—it's a replay from one of our sessions at the Audit Analytics and AI Conference, sponsored by Supervisor. Mike has been in the CAE role at BorgWarner for about a year, and he walks us through what that first year has r…
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Ep 264: How Internal Audit Teams Are Building AI Tool with no Tech Background Needed (Snowflake)
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34:31This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by three members of Snowflake's internal audit team: Amrita, Pooja, and Ajay. Amrita Kapoor, Head of Internal Audit at Snowflake, walks us through how their team is using Snowflake's native tools to build practical analytics and AI solutions. She shares several real use cases their internal audit functio…
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IA on AI – The Importance of Human Review for AI Output
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4:12Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube ch…
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Ep 263: Building Early Career Goals on the Road to Chief Audit Executive w/ Jamie Meziere
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27:59This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Jamie Meziere, Chief Audit Executive at FedEx. Jamie shares what FedEx's analytics and AI program looks like today and the one thing she wishes every auditor would start doing now. She also talks about the early career goal she set to become a CAE—and how she created a plan, executed on it, and ultimatel…
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IA on AI – Building Apps and Workflow with Copilot
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3:57Links: Microsoft 365 Copilot now enables you to build apps and workflows Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newslet…
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Ep 262: The Importance of Feedback Loops w/ Clarissa Lucas
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42:54This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Clarissa Lucas, author of Beyond Agile Auditing. Back by popular demand, Clarissa discusses whether auditing with agility is more of a mindset or a methodology—and why focusing on the why matters more than the how. She shares practical ways teams can move from a "practice-first" approach to an agile mind…
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Ep 261: Why Auditors Need Smarter Tools w/ Ed Zimmer (ControlSense)
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27:17This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Ed Zimmer, Founder of ControlSense and Principal at Advanced Risk and Controls Analytics, LLC. In this episode, Ed shares what inspired him to launch ControlSense after decades of experience in audit innovation. He talks about the challenges he saw auditors facing, how ControlSense helps solve inconsiste…
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Links: Concerns about AI-written police reports spur states to regulate the emerging practice That Omani Auditor Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en Also be sure …
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Ep 260: How EY Is Helping Clients Implement AI w/ Paul Goodhew (EY)
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38:47This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Paul Goodhew, Partner and EY Global Assurance Innovation & Emerging Technology. In this episode, Paul discusses how EY is helping clients implement artificial intelligence and the importance of understanding both the potential and risks of this rapidly advancing technology. He explains why AI is differen…
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Ep 259: What It Really Takes to Modernize Internal Audit w/ Ronnie Welch
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36:22This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Ronnie Welch, Chief Audit Executive at Guardian Life. Ronnie has spent his career in insurance audit, with experience at MetLife, Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey, and several Big Four firms. In this episode, Ronnie talks about how he's modernizing internal audit and shares the practical steps his te…
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IA on AI – Dealing with Unmanageable Expectations of AI within your Company
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26:43Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube ch…
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Ep 258: Bringing Audit Data to Life with Visualizations w/ Valerie Ann Zappia (Victoria's Secret)
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28:09This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Valerie Zappia, Internal Audit Data Analytics Manager at Victoria's Secret. In this episode, she takes the opportunity to address those unanswered questions and share her perspective on the challenges many audit teams are facing today. She discusses the realities of managing data availability and qual…
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Ep 257: Why Public Sector Projects Fail w/ Matthew Oleniuk
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36:58This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Matthew Oleniuk, founder of The Risk Insider and former Chief Audit Executive in the public sector. Matthew shares lessons from 15 years as a CAE, what he's most passionate about right now, and his perspective on how to predict whether public sector projects will succeed—or fail. Be sure to connect wi…
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IA on AI – Injected AI Bots and The Rise of Orphan Agents
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9:22Links: 2025 Audit Analytics and AI Conference United Airlines AI bot injected because it kept refusing to connect with a human The rise of orphan agents: autonomy without control Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast Tik…
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Ep 256: Soft Skills = Power Skills w/ Geoff Kovesdy & Jimena Escamilla
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40:16This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Geoff Kovesdy, who leads Digital Controls AI and Automation, and Jimena Escamilla, Senior Manager in Deloitte's Advisory group. They share their favorite ChatGPT and Copilot prompts, talk about the one thing auditors should focus on right now, and discuss how audit teams can get AI and innovation wron…
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IA on AI – How Finance Leaders Are Using AI and What Audit Can Learn
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9:34Links: Anthropic reports outages, Claude and Console impacted Charting the Future: How CFOs Are Navigating Change with Technology and Foresight Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theau…
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Ep 255: Follow the Risk w/ Richard Chambers (AuditBoard)
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41:41This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Richard Chambers, Senior Advisor of Risk and Audit for AuditBoard. Richard is celebrating his 50th anniversary as an auditor this month, making this the perfect time to reflect on lessons learned over his career. In this conversation, he shares advice for auditors at every stage, the mindset behind hi…
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IA on AI – Building Stronger AI Governance Frameworks
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11:34Register for the 2025 Audit Analytics and AI Conference: https://theauditanalyticsconference.com/ Links: Warner Bros Sues Midjourney Over AI-Generated Characters Banks Pivot from GenAI Hype to Responsible AI AI Ethics Incidents Double Amid Soaring Adoption Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/comp…
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Ep 254: Emerging Leader Mentoring Program w/ Alex Rusate
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20:37In this episode of The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Alex Rusate, Senior Vice President and Director of Internal Audit at Arrow Financial, and former chair of the IIA's Emerging Leaders Mentoring Program. Alex shares how the program began in 2019, grew so quickly that the IIA brought in full-time support, and has continued to thrive ever since. As…
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Ep 253: AI, Learning, and Leadership in Internal Audit w/ Jessica Rodgers (EY)
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41:38In this episode of The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Jessica Rogers, Global Internal Audit Leader at Ernst & Young. Jessica shares her journey to becoming a leader at one of the world's largest professional services firms and what it really takes to reach that level. From her passion for continuous learning to her forward-thinking approach to AI, …
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Links: The AI Oversight Gap: IBM's 2025 Data Breach Report Reveals Hidden Costs of Ungoverned AI EisnerAmper Survey Finds as Employees Embrace AI, Employer Oversight Lags AI startup reaped millions using bogus claims, FTC suit says Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Ins…
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Ep 252: A Path to AGI w/ John Thompson (The Hackett Group Inc.)
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21:49In this episode of The Audit Podcast, John Thompson returns to discuss his new book, The Path to AGI. With over 40 years in the field of artificial intelligence, John provides a grounded perspective on what AGI really means—and why it won't arrive as quickly as many headlines suggest. John's book: A Path to AGI Be sure to connect with John on Linke…
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IA on AI – ChatGPT-5 Launch: What Internal Auditors Need to Know
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5:35Open AI Finally Laucned ChatGPT 5 - heres everything you need to know Hackers Hijacked Google's Gemini AI With a Poisoned Calendar Invite to Take Over a Smart Home Tesla ordered by Florida jury to pay $243 million in fatal Autopilot crash Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podc…
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Ep 251: Practical Tips from a Chief Auditor on Driving Change w/ Rafael Kon (Mitsubishi Power)
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38:02This week on The Audit Podcast, Rafael Kon, Chief Auditor at Mitsubishi Power, talks about how internal audit can stay connected to a company's strategy while keeping controls strong. He shares how he uses automation and data to improve processes, why shorter and more practical audit reports can be more effective, and how his thinking on audit co-s…
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Ep 250: Process Improvement Starts with Curiosity w/ Genna Smith (RYAM)
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35:39This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Genna Smith, Director of Internal Audit at RYAM. She believes process improvement starts with mindset, and that even the smallest changes can lead to real impact. In this episode, she shares how she's using tools like ChatGPT to build SOPs from the ground up, standardize processes, and support her tea…
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IA on AI – Why AGI Doesn't Actually "Think"… At Least Not Yet (feat. John Thompson)
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9:05Links: John Thompson Book - The Path to AGI: Artificial General Intelligence: Past, Present, and Future * Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en Also be sure to sign …
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IA on AI – Fake Data, Deleted Code, and the Risk We're Not Ready For
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13:11Links: From Gizmodo.com - Replit's AI Agent Wipes Company's Codebase During Vibecoding Session From Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpg1RmzAbc From Financial Times - Can finance put a stop to AI data mining? * Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-au…
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Ep 249: Training Your Audit Team for the New AI Era w/ Anthony Reyes (Remitly)
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30:37This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Anthony Reyes, Vice President of Internal Audit at Remitly. Anthony believes AI in audit isn't a "someday" thing—it's already happening. In this episode, he talks about the real ways AI is being used right now, including how it's helping with testing controls and building smarter audit tools. We also …
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This week on The AI in IA Podcast, we're taking a closer look at one of the newest AI developments: ChatGPT's autonomous agents. What can they actually do and more importantly, what are the risks? We break down OpenAI's own policy to highlight security concerns that internal auditors (and really, any user) need to know. From real-world examples lik…
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IA on AI – McDonald's Bot Breach, Google's AI Cyber Win, and Nvidia Hits $4 Trillion
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8:15This week on IA on AI, we break down the McDonald's hiring bot fiasco — yes, the one where an AI chatbot exposed data from over 60 million job applicants due to a shockingly simple security lapse. We explore why these matters to internal auditors and what basic control failures like this can teach us about staying vigilant as AI becomes more embedd…
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Ep 248: What Really Matters When Building an Audit Team w/ Mike Padilla (Starbucks)
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38:57This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Mike Padilla, Senior Manager of Internal Audit and SOX Leader at Starbucks. Mike brings a refreshing perspective on the internal audit profession—starting with the idea that we might need to stop taking ourselves so seriously. His insights are especially relevant for those thinking about the future of…
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IA on AI – AI Voice Clones a Senator, State-Led Regulation, and What the FRC Just Made Clear
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6:28In today's episode of IA on AI, we cover an AI voice scam impersonating a high-ranking official, the sweeping new "Big Beautiful Bill" on AI regulations, and landmark AI guidance just released by the FRC. They break down: • A Marco Rubio impostor is using AI voice to call high-level officials - washingtonpost.com • 'Big Beautiful Bill' Leaves AI Re…
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Ep 247: Why Internal Audit Should Lead the AI Charge w/ Shannon Urban (Hasbro)
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38:04This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Shannon Urban, Chief Audit Executive at Hasbro. In this episode, Shannon shares how she's leading her team through a major shift—reallocating about half of her full-time audit staff—and why that move is positioning her team for long-term impact. She also discusses how she's upskilling her team on AI a…
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IA on AI – Ep 1: Is AI Taking Over Audit Jobs?
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19:20In the first episode of IA on AI, John Thompson joins Trent to talk about one of the biggest questions in the audit world right now: Is AI Taking Over Audit Jobs? They break down: What AI can and can't do (yet) in audit How the role of the auditor might shift Why this isn't just about losing jobs — it's about changing how we work They also touch on…
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Ep 246: Retired CAE Summer Series – Part 4 w/ Kevin Ryan
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30:09This week on The Audit Podcast, we're continuing our Retired CAE Summer Series with Kevin Ryan, former Chief Risk Review Officer and General Auditor at KeyBank, where he spent 38 years—15 of those in audit leadership. In this episode, Kevin reflects on the importance of relationships and shares how he was able to gain the ear of the CEO, something …
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Ep 245: Retired CAE Summer Series – Part 3 w/ Mike Jenkins
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40:46This week on The Audit Podcast, we're continuing our Retired CAE Summer Series with Mike Jenkins, former VP of Internal Audit at Facebook, Gap, and Included Health, and former Director of Financial Audit at Google. Since retiring, Mike has embraced a new chapter—as an artist. In this episode, he shares how creativity has always been a superpower fo…
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Ep 244: Retired CAE Summer Series – Part 2 w/ Dale Jeanes
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41:18This week on The Audit Podcast, we're continuing our Retired CAE Summer Series with Dale Jeanes, former General Auditor (CAE) at Truist, where he spent an impressive 34 years. Dale now leads Jeanes Professional Development, where he coaches internal audit, risk management, and finance professionals. In this episode, Dale joins the show to reflect o…
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Ep 243: Retired CAE Summer Series – Part 1 w/ Robert Brewer
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35:45This week on The Audit Podcast, we're kicking off our Retired CAE Summer Series with Bob Brewer, former Chief Audit Executive at Las Vegas Sands and former Chief Compliance Officer at Office Depot. With almost two years of retirement under his belt, Bob joins the show to reflect on his career from a fresh perspective. In this episode, he shares wha…
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Ep 242: Audit Like a Storyteller w/ Shagen Ganason (Liva Group)
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37:40This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Shagen Ganason, Group Chief Auditor, and Chief Audit Executive at Liva Group. In this episode, Shagen shares the inspiration behind his new book, The Storyteller's Ledger, and why he believes storytelling is one of the most powerful tools internal auditors can develop. From rethinking traditional audi…
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Ep 241: How to Win Support for ERM w/ Beth Womersley (Universal Destination & Experiences)
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34:06This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Beth Womersley, Head of Assurance & Advisory Services at Universal Destination & Experiences. Beth shares her experience launching and leading ERM programs across multiple organizations. As internal audit teams take on more ERM responsibilities, she shares tips on where to start, how to get support fr…
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Ep 240: Practical Tips to Improve Workplace Communication w/ Nancy Yuen (SoFi)
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36:27This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Nancy Yuen, Financial Data and VP of SOX Governance at SoFi. In this episode, Nancy shares how emotional intelligence has been a driving force behind her career success—from her early days at KPMG to leadership roles at Clorox, Google, and now SoFi. Nancy realized she needed to intentionally build her…
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Ep 239: Reimagining Audit Staffing w/ Chris Denver
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26:18This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Chris Denver, former CAE and IIA Chicago President. In this episode, Chris walks us through the forward-looking staffing model he's developed—one that balances internal talent with digital tools and trusted external partners to create a more flexible, future-ready audit function. He shares how this hy…
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Ep 238: The Best Advice from Agentic AI Experts
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21:58This week on The Audit Podcast, we've gathered the best moments from our conversations with Agentic AI experts—featuring standout insights from Charles King, John Thompson, and Andrew Clark. AI Agent Governance: A Field Guide Be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok. Also be sure to sign up for The Au…
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Ep 237: Protocol for Preparing for Your Best Audit Committee Meeting Ever w/ Rob Clark Jr. (Howard University)
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53:44This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Rob Clark Jr., Chief Auditing and Compliance Officer at Howard University. In this episode, Rob breaks down the one skill that separates good auditors from great ones: communication. He pulls back the curtain on how he preps, practices, and performs, whether it's a team meeting, a presentation, or a h…
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Ep 236: The one KPI for Internal Audit w/ Mark Freeman (Vermeer Corporation)
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42:46This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Mark Freeman, Head of Internal Audit at Vermeer Corporation. In this episode, Mark shares insights from a recent CAE roundtable, where recruitment, audit committee metrics, and Copilot use cases topped the agenda. He also walks us through how he rebuilt internal audit's reputation at Vermeer after ste…
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