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Rabbit Hole Stories

Joël Kai Lenz, Ian Scanlon

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🎙️ This podcast is about ple₿'s and their Bitcoin Rabbit Hole Stories. We're interested to hear all the different reasons someone got on board. You'll often hear different opinions, discussions, and topics. However, we all have one thing in common. Making the world a better place with Bitcoin 🧡
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Welcome to class! C Students Long and Ray get together weekly to talk about things school never prepared you for...you know real life sh*t! Like how come communication class never taught you how to deal with social anxiety? Isn't that like the first thing that happens when you talk to a complete stranger? Or, why did finance class never mention anything about Bitcoin, I mean wth! No, I do not want to put my money into a savings account and earn .00000001% annual interest! If your looking for ...
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Hutch Money Minutes

John "Hutch" Hutchinson

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You know that financial education you wish you got in school? Well, here's your chance to reenroll anytime you get in your car or go to the gym. Everyone should be educated enough to properly manage their own money situation if they really want to. Even if you’re someone who wants professional help, most people choose their advisors based on some kind of personality contest rather than a merit-based system, since that’s the only context they have. Let’s face it, the money industry is purpose ...
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It's been a while since my last "Road Noise with Hutch" podcast episode. Well, this new episode is filmed from my new TSLA. 🤖 It's all about the amazing tech, and how I'm starting to use AI more...even while driving...I mean, having the robot drive me! 🚗 At first, I decided to get a Tesla Model 3 for my daughters to share because they kept bumping …
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Jamie Plowman, who's a fellow Bitcoiner out of the UK. Jamies discovered Bitcoin during the pandemic and knew from the get-go it was something that would change his life for the better. These days, he's orange pilling friends and family, creates content of merchants accepting Bitcoin and is participating at events.…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Mark Connors. He used to work in TradFi, at times even at Credit Suisse, and soon realized how powerful Bitcoin truly is. Mark went down the Bitcoin data rabbit hole today and showed us some interesting figures and charts on why Bitcoin is the only solution in finance and the future! You can follow Mark on X: https…
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In today’s episode, we sat down together again and spoke about the recent developments with central banks and strategic reserves, why the UK nurtures the craziest economists, and why everyone should take a chill pill. You can follow us on X (@rabbitholetales), check out our website (https://rabbitholestories.co/), or send us an email (show@rabbitho…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Rob from Bitsaga. Rob went viral recently with an X-post about Bitcoin security. We went down the multisig route, why it’s easier than you think, why debanking is a real issue and how Bitsaga is helping people get onboard. You can follow Rob on X: https://x.com/BitsagaRob You can follow us on X (@rabbitholetales), …
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The biggest myth of Infinite Banking is the whole phenomenon of Non-Direct Recognition loans. For years, we've been dispelling the BS that Non-Direct Recognition is a means of siphoning continuous arbitrage off a well-capitalized insurance company. Both things can't be true, right? Anyway, new evidence has come to light validating our stance, and t…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Grafton Clark from Vexl. Grafton is one of the most vocal voices online to support P2P Bitcoin and how to use Vexl to get more Bitcoin friends. We spoke about his involvement in the community, why it’s vital to keep P2P alive and how you can get some P2P Sats as well. You can follow Grafton on X: https://x.com/sats…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Tania Lea, the head of marketing and business development for Azteco LATAM. Tania is from Costa Rica originally and in our chat, we spoke about Bitcoin’s adoption in LATAM, why it’s vital to offer spending and saving solutions and how Azteco is planing to onboard over a billion users to Bitcoin. You can follow Tani…
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Hear Hutch's perspective on digital assets and how it fits into privatized banking. Download the ultimate guide to using Whole Life for Infinite Banking: 📃 https://bankingtruths.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-understanding-your-whole-life-policy-for-infinite-banking-ibc/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=channel&utm_campaign=hrn Learn more about the "4-D Ba…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Erik Cativo, a UX designer from Sweden. He’s a current grantee with the Bitcoin Design Foundation and is working on implementing better e-Cash solutions. We spoke about the different approaches to making Bitcoin wallets easier to use, how we can simplify the orange pill process, and what role scaling solutions play…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Frank Corva. He’s the political and business correspondent for Bitcoin Magazine and a contributor to Forbes Digital. Frank is from New York and has spent most of his professional career in education and as a social worker. He initially discovered Bitcoin through a friend and knew he had to get involved. These days,…
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In this 6th episode of "Road Noise with Hutch," Hutch discusses the hypocrisy of the "debt-free dream" and the common limiting beliefs surrounding debt, borrowing, and leverage. Even though the tactics of Velocity Banking are efficient and superior to Dave Ramsey's envelopes or "Debt Snowball", the race to get out of debt can only get you back to e…
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In this episode of Road Noise with Hutch, the discussion centers on retirement planning, focusing on 401(k)s, IRAs, and alternative strategies like Roth conversions. Hutch explores the shift in conventional wisdom around tax-deferred retirement accounts, highlighting the potential pitfalls of over-contributing to 401(k)s amidst rising national debt…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Alen Makhmetov, one of the co-founders of Hashlabs Mining. We went down the mining rabbit hole, explaining all the possibilities, why Hashlabs is doing things differently and how life in Asia was for Alen. You can follow Alen on X: https://x.com/alenmakhmetov Or, follow him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Marc van Versendaal, an educator and Bitcoin enthusiast from the Netherlands. Marc discovered crypto first but quickly pivoted to Bitcoin.He saw the real use case when he traveled around the world. To him, Bitcoin is not only a spiritual awakening but also a tool to make humankind better. You can follow Marc on X: …
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Hutch discusses how Precious Metals can play a role in a 4-D Banking system. Download the ultimate guide to using Whole Life for Infinite Banking: 📃 https://bankingtruths.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-understanding-your-whole-life-policy-for-infinite-banking-ibc/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=channel&utm_campaign=hrn Learn more about the "4-D Banking S…
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Hutch discusses how his perspective of seeing the LA Riots and how when law & order takes the weekend off shapes a small part of his overall asset allocation, as well as my personal belief about what the worst case scenario is financially. Download the Ultimate Guide to using Whole Life for Infinite Banking: 📃 https://bankingtruths.com/the-ultimate…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Roland from the Alby team. He gave us a deep dive into the world and development happening with Alby and Lightning. You can follow him on Nostr: npub1zk6u7mxlflguqteghn8q7xtu47hyerruv6379c36l8lxzzr4x90q0gl6ef You can follow us on X (@rabbitholetales), check out our website (https://rabbitholestories.co/), or send u…
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Hutch discusses his history on getting into the financial business 14 years ago and his evolution over time. Download the Ultimate Guide to using Whole Life for Infinite Banking: 📃 https://bankingtruths.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-understanding-your-whole-life-policy-for-infinite-banking-ibc/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=hrn Lea…
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Learn more about what Hutch's life is like "off the clock". Download the ultimate guide to using Whole Life for Infinite Banking: 📃 https://bankingtruths.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-understanding-your-whole-life-policy-for-infinite-banking-ibc/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=hrn Learn more about the "4-D Banking Strategy": 🏦 https…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Thomas Jeegers. He’s a Springer-published Bitcoin author and the CFO/COO of Relai. Thomas used to work in a bank and got the inside scoop on how this worlds operates. What started with a recommendation by a bank co-worker led to many years of Thomas putting Bitcoin aside. However, things changed when his first chil…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Phil Lojacono. He recently started his own Bitcoin venture and wants to help more SMEs adopt a Bitcoin standard. We spoke about his experience at Google, his learnings after starting a company and selling it on, why universities don’t understand economics, and what we as a community need to do better to orange pill…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Satoshi Builds. He used to be an architect but decided to give Bitcoin a try. Ever since he’s been going down the rabbit hole and found a new passion with his 3D work and drawings. He’s been involved in creating a number of creatives for conferences or events. Nowadays, he listens to or watches Bitcoin content and …
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Janis Kilian Lenz, a young Bitcoin podcaster who travels the world and interviews people. Janis gave us an insight into his interview run at BTC Prague, what it takes to orange pill Gen-Z and youngsters, and why he believes people need to read more books. You can follow Janis on X: https://x.com/PodcastNom93541 You…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Sean McNamara, who’s a Bitcoin educator and the editor of Bitesize Bitcoin. Sean discovered Bitcoin after being homeless in 2015 and initially joined to make money quickly. However, he quickly realized that there was more to this and fell down the rabbit hole. These days, he’s actively educating people about Bitcoi…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Peter, or as he’s otherwise known, the Swiss Hodler. Peter has a background in data and marketing and used to work in the TradFi world. These days, he runs his own data marketing agency and devotes as much time as possible to orange-pilling and educating people about Bitcoin. We spoke about his journey down the Bit…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Ronnie Grob, who’s the editor-in-chief of Schweizer Monat. Ronnie’s a journalist who discovered Bitcoin because it seemed too good to be true. Once he realized how powerful it was, he had to dig deeper. These days, Ronnie contributes to the Bitcoin ecosystem by reporting about it in his magazine, and he’s part of t…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Pascal Hügli, a former journalist from Switzerland who currently works at a bank as a digital assets advisor. We spoke about Pascal’s rabbit hole into Bitcoin, why he decided to research other digital assets as well, and how the whole Bitcoin ecosystem sometimes feels like a cult. You can follow Pascal on X: https:…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Prashanth Chandrashekar, one of the co-founders of Bringin. We spoke about Bitcoin on-ramps, the adoption in India, why we need better solutions to integrate Bitcoin into the legacy financial system, and how Bringin is helping out with that. You can follow Prashanth on X: https://twitter.com/prashanthc123 You can f…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Ivan Makedonski. He’s been on our show before in Episode 23. This time, we spoke about Ivan’s newfound passion for writing, why Lightning can be used for everything in the world, and how he sees the community changing its mind about self-custody solutions. You can follow Ivan on X: https://twitter.com/Nackoo2000 Or…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Ben Justman, the founder and owner of Peony Lane, a winery in Colorado. During our chat, we spoke about Ben’s journey into winemaking, why his dad was such an influence, and why he’s seeking the slower life in Colorado. You can follow Ben on X: https://twitter.com/BenJustman You can follow us on X (@rabbitholetales…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Dominic Frisby, a brilliant comedian from the UK. Dominic went viral recently with his ‘We’re all far-right now’ song, which Elon Musk shared on X. In our interview, we discussed how Dominic came up with his lyrics, why he ignored Bitcoin for so long, and where he believes the UK is heading. You can follow Dominic …
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Bastian Feder, the CEO of Lipa Swiss. Unfortunately, we had some issues with Bastian’s camera, so it’s an audio-only episode. We talked about Bastian’s journey into the rabbit hole, why he decided to found a Bitcoin company, their struggles, and how to improve Lightning. You can follow Bastian on X: https://twitter…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Fernando Nikolić, the Head of Communications at Blockstream and the owner of Bitcoin Perception. Fernando grew up in Argentina and Norway, where he grew up in two completely different societies. We talked about the impact of culture and the media landscape, how Bitcoiners need to swallow their pride, and what Block…
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In today’s episode, Joël spoke with Flo Montoya, a Chilean artist. Unfortunately, Ian was not available for this recording. Flo has an interesting journey into Bitcoin. It was her dad who had to use Bitcoin out of necessity, and in doing so, he orange-pilled the entire family. Flo’s background is in art, and she thought that combining the two world…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Robin Seyr. He’s well-known for his Robin Seyr on X podcast and the content he puts out. We spoke about all things content, why Robin started the podcast in the first place, his goals, and what he thinks we need to do better to get more people on board. You can follow Robin on X: https://twitter.com/RobinSeyr You c…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Matyas Kuchar, one of the co-organizers of the BTC Prague conference. We used this opportunity to ask Matyas about the recent exchange between BTC Prague and Bitcoin Magazine, why they’re different, why Czech Bitcoiners are so awesome, and the importance of staying conservative. You can follow Matyas on X: https://…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with David Bailey, the CEO of Bitcoin Magazine and the Bitcoin Conferences. David’s rabbit hole story is fascinating. Not only did he discover Bitcoin in 2012, he also emerged as one of the public voices from this time over the years. To say David has it hard on social media is an understatement. We also spoke about thi…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Nicolas from the Dezentralschweiz Podcast. He’s our second anonymous guest. Therefore, we only have an audio recording of the conversation. We spoke about the Bitcoin community in Switzerland, why the Swiss people are more likely to take Bitcoin seriously, and how Nicolas is helping out with his podcast. You can fo…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Renato Schär, one of the co-founders of Yzer and SayNode. We recorded this in late December, so bear that in mind if we speak about ETFs or the price. In this conversation we covered Renatos work at Yzer, why proper app design is so hard and how he sees the future in the Bitcoin community. You can follow Renato on …
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In today’s episode, we’re back with a solo episode between Ian and Joël. They talked about the Julian Assange case in London and why it’s essential for the freedom of the press and society. These thoughts and ideas led to Ian and Joël talking about the scarcity of time, why technology is deflationary, and how the fiat system is abusing its powers t…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Eric V Stacks, a Cannabis grower out of California. He’s been into Bitcoin for a while and started putting out unique content. Eric’s backstory into Bitcoin is pretty typical, but the reason he stayed is very fascinating. He not only has a financial incentive to be part of the community, but he also seeks to use th…
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In today’s episode, we spoke about the recent Tucker Carlson interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin. There are a lot of interesting takes in that interview, and they uncovered some interesting biases and viewpoints within the Bitcoin community. You can follow us on Twitter (@rabbitholetales), check out our website (https://rabbitholestorie…
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We have yet another solo episode between Ian and Joël in today's episode. In it, we spoke about the saying “Do It for the Plot“ a popular statement from Gen-Z on TikTok. We can take many parallels from the saying and adapt it to the Bitcoin ecosystem. You can follow us on Twitter (@rabbitholetales), check out our website (https://rabbitholestories.…
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We won’t have a guest on the show in today’s episode. We’re changing the format up a bit and will be releasing guest interviews biweekly. This allows us to talk about more relevant topics and comment on them as soon as possible. And what better way to kick things off than actually talking about the circle jerk that is the Bitcoin online community? …
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Rick Messitt, a fellow Bitcoiner from Scotland and someone with a heartbreaking story. Rick got onboard with Bitcoin in 2014 and has been stacking his Sats directly to a hardware wallet. He was always managing his Bitcoin in self-custody. Unfortunately for him, the setup had a loophole, and his wallet was compromis…
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In today’s episode, we spoke with Tony Yazbeck. He’s the co-founder of the Bitcoin Way and has a unique rabbit hole story. In our 50-minute conversation, we talked about the Spot Bitcoin ETFs, how they’ll impact the future, why we need to continue to spread the self-custody route, and the challenges Tony faces daily with the Bitcoin Way. You can fo…
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