Welcome to the Passive Income Pilots Podcast – the show designed to help pilots climb to new levels of financial success. Join Tait Duryea & Ryan Gibson, both airline pilots, business owners and investors, as they interview top experts and share practical knowledge on real estate, tax strategy, passive income and generational wealth. This one-of-a-kind show created specifically for professional pilots offers applicable strategies and tactics for improving your financial life. Whether you're ...
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Discover the insider secrets of real estate investing and unlock your path to financial freedom with the Get Creative Podcast with Pace Morby. Join Pace and industry experts as they share invaluable tips, creative finance strategies, and success stories to help you thrive in the competitive world of real estate investing. Whether you’re a seasoned investor or just starting out, our podcast provides actionable insights to accelerate your journey towards wealth and independence. Tune in now an ...
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Point Me to First Class is a show for employed professionals, solopreneurs, entrepreneurs, and business owners with higher-than-average personal and/or business expenses who want to learn to leverage them into credit card points to spend on travel. Your expenses are your greatest untapped asset - but learning how to use them to travel the world doesn't have to be confusing or complicated. Each week, Devon Gimbel shares valuable tips, tools, and strategies to help you uplevel your skills earn ...
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How to Flip a $1.2M Luxury Home with Creative Finance (Subto + Novation Strategy Explained)
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34:54What happens when a luxury flip goes over budget, over timeline, and still makes six figures? In this episode of the Get Creative Podcast, host Jordan Whittenburg sits down with real estate investor Adam Colburn to break down a real-world creative finance luxury flip in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Adam walks through how he used a Subto + novation-…
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#140 - From Goals to Execution: A Year-End Playbook
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23:44Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson close out 2025 by pulling back the curtain on how high performers actually plan, execute, and stay intentional across money, business, and family life. From Spartan’s acquisition pace and Turbine’s investor roadmap to family board meetings, goal frameworks, and habit formation, this episode offers a grounded look at what…
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148. Your Year in Points Review: How to Audit, Learn, and Plan Smarter
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20:48Have you ever taken a step back and actually evaluated what your points did for you over an entire year? In this episode, I'm inviting you to do your own Year in Points Review—a way to look at how you earned points, how you used them, and whether your approach to earning and redeeming rewards helped you reach your travel goals. I walk through why a…
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#139 - How to Run Single-Family Rentals Like a REIT with Matthew Whitaker
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47:33What if managing rentals like an institution is the key to higher returns and less stress? Hosts Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson talk with Matthew Whitaker, founder of Evernest, about scaling property management with systems, data, and AI. From HELOC-driven growth to managing 20,000 homes nationwide, this conversation breaks down why professional opera…
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The Impossible SubTo Deal: How Robert’s Perseverance Turned a Hard ‘No’ Into a Win
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22:02California architect and longtime creative finance investor Robert Larivee joins host Keola Keala to share how he turned a Zillow listing that said “No Sub2” into a fully negotiated creative finance deal using skill, patience, and the power of his SubTo team. With decades of experience in architecture, construction, and seller-financed deals—even b…
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147. 2025 in Points and Miles In Review (Part 2): Key Changes, New Realities, and What Comes Next
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47:31What really changed in the points and miles world this year—and how should that shape your strategy going forward? In part two of our 2025 Year in Review, Kelly and I continue breaking down one of the most transformative years we've seen in award travel. Beyond rising annual fees and tightening loyalty programs, this year revealed deeper structural…
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#138 - How to Vet Deals, Operators, and Advisors the Right Way with Mat Sorensen
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52:04Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson sit down with Mat Sorensen of Directed IRA to tackle one of the most common investor questions: Who do you actually trust when investing in alternative assets? The conversation breaks down how to vet operators, assess risk, understand leverage, and use self-directed retirement accounts responsibly. Mat shares real-world …
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Flight Attendant Lands $1M Connector Deal all with Creative Finance
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36:26Las Vegas–based connector and Southwest Airlines employee Hanna Pine shares how she built a thriving Gator lending business—leading to her first $1M golf course connector deal in Florida—while offering fast, reliable transactional funding for SubTo members. Hanna breaks down how cold-calling, community, and strong partnerships helped her scale quic…
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146. 2025 in Points and Miles In Review: The Biggest Wins, Disappointments & Shifts - Part 1
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1:07:09In this episode, we bid farewell to 2025 with a year-in-review analysis of the biggest news, changes, and trends in rewards, credit cards, and award travel over the last 12 months. This episode is part one of a two-part year-in-review series, and I'm joined by Kelly, the Points and Miles Doc, to break down the biggest changes, surprises, and shakeu…
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#137 - Revocable Vs. Irrevocable Trusts: What Pilots Must Know with Adam Kintigh
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56:01Clarity and control for the wealth you’re building. Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson sit down with asset protection expert Adam Kintigh for his third appearance to break down one of the most misunderstood pieces of a pilot’s financial plan: the revocable living trust. Discover how to structure your trust, avoid probate disasters, protect your heirs from…
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The PadSplit Queen: How a Single Mom Built a $45K/Month Co-Living Empire Using Creative Finance
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32:06Join host Keola Keala as he sits down with Macarena Garcia—CDC epidemiologist, professor, single mom, and powerhouse real estate investor known as the “PadSplit Queen”—who scaled from one traditional rental to 10 high-cash-flow co-living properties in just 18 months while generating over $45K/month in revenue. Macarena shares how she discovered co-…
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145. Behind the Scenes at World of Hyatt: Loyalty, Care & the Future of Travel with Laurie Blair
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49:14Have you ever wondered what exactly goes on behind the scenes in loyalty programs—and what drives executive decisions about what to offer, add, or take away from their members' experience? In this episode, I get to do exactly that. I'm joined by Laurie Blair, Hyatt's Senior Vice President of Global Marketing and Loyalty, for a rare behind-the-scene…
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#136 - What HGTV Won’t Tell You About Flipping Houses with Leka Devatha
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41:30Are you using the exit strategies that actually work in this market? Hosts Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson talk with seasoned investor and author Leka Devatha to pull back the curtain on what’s real and what’s not in flipping, reality TV, and today’s housing market. Get ready to uncover the truth behind her Amazon Prime episode, learn the creative stra…
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8 Bedroom SubTo Deal: How Jimmy Fuentes Turned a Pre-Foreclosure into Co-Living Cash Flow with 0% Business Funding
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32:23OG SubTo student Jimmy Fuentes joins host Justin Tuminowski to break down how he took a pre-foreclosure single-family in Florida and turned it into an 8-bedroom co-living (PadSplit) cash cow—without bank financing and without flipping. 📲 Connect with Jimmy Instagram | YouTube ➡️ RSVP For A FREE Co-Living Training With Me (Live): https://subto.sjv.i…
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144. Inside Rove: The Loyalty Program Reshaping Points & Miles
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49:45There's a new player in the rewards space, and it's changing what's possible for earning points even if you never open another credit card. In this episode, I'm joined by Carissa Rawson, Director of Travel and Marketing for Rove, a fast-growing loyalty platform that combines a travel booking portal with an online shopping portal so you can earn tra…
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#135 - The Truth About Oil and Gas Investing with Tim Pawul
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52:50Are you unknowingly passing up five-figure tax savings available right now? Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson sit down with oil and gas expert Tim Pawul to reveal why minerals, royalties, and non-operated working interests have become one of the most powerful tools for cash flow and tax strategy. Get ready to understand the real reason hydrocarbons aren’…
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Why One IBM Sales Rep Quit His 9-to-5 to Become a Real Estate Connector
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31:40Host Keola Keala sits down with Corey Ganim—Charlotte-based e-commerce founder turned Gator connector—to unpack how he pivoted from IBM’s corporate track to creative real estate. Corey shares the moment that sparked his exit from 9-to-5, why he joined Gator in March, and the exact system he used to land his first connector deal in under 60 days 📲 C…
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What Businesses You Should Actually Buy in 2026
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37:55Pace Morby sits down with business advisor Michael Steinberg to break down what’s actually happening in the world of business acquisitions and why 2026 is shaping up to be the biggest opportunity boom in decades. They get into crypto-based deals, home service roll ups, the rise of Headstone, and why millions of business owners have no idea they can…
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143. Your Holiday Points Prep Checklist: 5 Steps to Maximize Seasonal Spending
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11:58This week marks the biggest points-earning opportunity of the entire year—especially if you're planning to shop online. While everyone else is focused on Thanksgiving prep, points and miles travelers know this is the week to turn everyday purchases into tens of thousands (or more) of bonus points. In this short and focused episode, I'm sharing my 5…
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How SubTo Changed My Life: From Rock Bottom to Real Estate Wins
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28:35Get ready for an emotional and inspiring ride as Matthew Starobykhovskiy shares his story with Pace - from being homeless to closing creative deals in SubTo and joining Owners Club! You’ll hear about his multifamily properties in Texas the mindset shift that made it all possible, and the exciting things he’s working on now - including including his…
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#134 - Fatigue, Flight Deck Safety, and the Science of Sleep with Dr. Adam Shapiro
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49:53Sleep becomes exciting, especially when it’s with Dr. Adam Shapiro. Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson sit down with this board-certified sleep specialist and ATP pilot to uncover what every aviator needs to know to protect their health and their medical. Get ready for practical guidance on staying sharp, staying healthy, and staying in the cockpit longer…
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Morby Method Magic: How Edgar the Connector Used Creative Finance to Beat the Odds
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22:07In this episode of Get Creative with Pace Morby, host Justin Tuminoski welcomes Edgar “The Connector” Salgado, a SubTo, Gator, and Owners Club powerhouse from Houston, Texas. When a zero-down real estate deal flipped on its head at the closing table, Edgar didn’t panic—he pivoted. Tune in as he shares how he overcame a last-minute lender change, ca…
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142. How Points Become a Tool for Freedom, Joy & the Life You Want to Live with Dielle Charon
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48:03Travel is never just about the destination — it's about what the journey makes possible. In today's episode, we explore how learning to earn and use credit card points isn't just a smart financial decision. It's a pathway to freedom, abundance, and experiences that reflect the life you actually want to live. From upgraded flights to dream hotels, p…
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#133 - Year-End Tax Moves Pilots Can’t Miss with Toby Mathis
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52:37Taxes become more exciting, especially when it’s with Toby Mathis. Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson welcome back tax strategist and investor Toby Mathis for another powerhouse session on how to keep more of your money before year-end. From bonus depreciation and the short-term rental loophole to smarter charitable giving and donor-advised funds, Toby re…
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From Burnout to Balance: How Richie Matthews Built Financial Freedom Through Real Estate
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34:38When the events industry collapsed during COVID, Richie Matthews faced a choice: rebuild or reinvent. He chose real estate—starting with two rental units in San Diego that became a 62-door empire. In this episode, Richie shares how he found balance, systems, and financial freedom through rental arbitrage and creative finance. Discover how to escape…
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141. Listener Q&A: Canceling Cards, Transfer Partner Confusion & Shopping Portals vs. Welcome Bonuses
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1:05:39This episode is all about your questions—and real answers. I'm back with another listener Q&A, tackling the points and miles decisions you're actually making right now. From whether it's possible to move points between airline partners to deciding if that old United card still deserves a spot in your wallet, we're covering it all. We'll walk throug…
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ER Nurse by Day, Deal Funder by Night: Building Wealth While Saving Lives
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34:11Host Jordan Whittenburg sits down with Houston-based transactional lender Brenda Villafranco to unpack how she funded a $10,000 earnest money deposit and earned $2,500 in under 30 days on a Sacramento fix & flip—all while working full-time as a hospital administrator. 📲 Connect with Brenda: https://www.instagram.com/brendabuildswealth ➡️ Unlock the…
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#132 - How to Buy an Airport with Robert DeLaurentis
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55:43What happens when a real estate investor decides to buy an airport? In this episode, host Tait and Ryan sit down with Robert DeLaurentis, the “Peace Pilot,” to unpack how he transformed a rundown airport into a thriving hub of aviation and community life. Robert shares how his decades in multifamily real estate funded his passion for flying, why le…
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From Truck Driver to Creative Closer: Forcing a Sale & Turning a $24.5K Florida Mobile Home into a Six-Figure Win
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44:48In this episode of Get Creative, host Keola Keala interviews Spencer Bishop (SubTo & Gator) on one of the wildest creative wins you’ll hear this year. Spencer went from over-the-road truck driver to full-time investor—and then battled a two-year legal and title gauntlet after a $24.5K bandit-sign deal imploded at the closing table. 📲 Connect with S…
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140. Points Path: The Tool That Shows You the Best Value for Every Flight
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49:23Ever look at Google Flights and wonder, "Should I use points for this or just pay cash?" If you've ever felt unsure about which option gives you the best value, this episode is for you. In the final episode of our Streamline, Stack, and Save mini-series, I'm joined by Julian Kheel, former editorial director at The Points Guy and senior editor at CN…
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$0 Out of Pocket Fix & Flip: How Community Funded a Savannah Deal
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30:28In this episode of Get Creative with Pace Morby, host Justin Tuminoski dives into an incredible real-life case study from Savannah, Georgia — a fix-and-flip deal that started with $0 out of pocket and turned into a community-powered success. Featuring Carrie Borey-Rausch, Trevor Hicks, and Robert Sigeti, this episode reveals how three SubTo and Own…
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#131 - Reading the Economy: Insights from the Bowtie Economist, Dr. Elliot Eisenberg
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40:38Where should you put your money right now? Ryan Gibson and Tait Duryea sit down with economist Dr. Elliot Eisenberg to decode the markets, interest rates, and the economic forces shaping your portfolio. From AI layoffs to multifamily real estate, they break down how high-income earners, especially pilots, can build wealth intelligently amid uncerta…
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How Casey Gregerson Raised $1.7 Million in 3 Days with Creative Financing
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29:35In this episode of Get Creative with Pace Morby, host Keola Keala sits down with Casey Gregerson, a SubTo and Owners Club powerhouse who turned a single house hack in Wyoming into a 400-unit portfolio using creative financing strategies. Casey shares how he leveraged seller financing, subject-to deals, and private money partnerships to scale from o…
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139. Stack Shopping Portals and Card Offers for Bigger Rewards with Savewise
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56:10Do you ever find yourself opening multiple tabs, comparing shopping portal payouts, and trying to figure out which site is going to give you the most rewards for your online shopping — only to give up before you actually earn the points? If that sounds familiar, today's episode is for you. In this Streamline, Stack, and Save mini-series episode, I'…
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#130 - From Wall Street to Real Wealth: Lessons from Ted Greene
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28:56What does true diversification look like when you’re building wealth as a pilot? In this episode, Ryan Gibson sits down with his longtime colleague and friend, Ted Greene, to unpack how to define success with your spouse, avoid emotional investing, and create a portfolio that brings peace of mind. From surviving Wall Street lawsuits to building las…
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Funding Fix & Flips in 10 Days: How Austin Hastings Finances Creative Real Estate Deals
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25:58Learn hard money basics, lending criteria, and real-world tips from Austin Hastings. Digital marketer by day, hard money lender by night—Austin explains criteria, ARV math, risk checks, and how networking with the SubTo community turns one flip into a pipeline of projects. 📲 Connect with Austin Facebook Profile | Facebook Page | YouTube ➡️ Meet Pac…
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How Creative Finance Saved a Laundromat: Real Estate Investors Use Subto & Fractional Deals
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26:55Discover how Pace Morby’s community members Benjamin Huang and Leah Merga used creative finance and fractional investing to rescue a laundromat business in New England. Learn how they helped a retiring owner, restructured $300K+ in debt, and turned a struggling shop into a profitable investment. Connect with Ben: https://www.instagram.com/benjaminh…
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138. How to Track, Manage, and Maximize Your Credit Cards with Travel Freely
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1:02:05Have you ever opened a new credit card for the welcome bonus, only to forget how much you've spent or when the deadline hits? Or maybe you're juggling multiple cards and can't remember which one to use next. In this next episode of our Streamline, Stack, and Save mini-series, I'm joined by Zac Hood, founder of Travel Freely, an app that helps you t…
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From Classroom to Coastline: How Tracy Koa Closed a $750K Seller-Financed Deal in Hawaii
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37:42Former educator Tracy Koa joins host Jordan Whittenburg to break down a seller-financed multifamily deal in Hawaii—right across from the ocean—with a 4% interest rate, 7-year balloon, and roughly $2,000/month cash flow. Hear how Tracy transformed 25 years of teaching into real estate superpowers, squadded up with SubTo, Gator, and Owners Club membe…
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From Talent Acquisition to Triple-Digit Flip: How April Elias and Pace Morby Closed a $700K Waterfront Deal
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34:42In this episode of Get Creative with Host Jordan Whittenburg, we dive deep into the inspiring story of April Elias, a real estate investor and longtime member of Pace Morby’s SubTo, Gator, and Owners Club communities. Discover how April leveraged her 20+ years in talent acquisition to negotiate, structure, and close a luxury log cabin flip in Maryl…
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137. Stop Guessing, Start Earning: How CardPointers Does the Work for You with Emmanuel Crouvisier
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42:20Do you ever forget which credit card to use for a purchase — or worry you're missing out on bonus points and statement credits? It's easy to lose track when every card has different categories, offers, and perks. This episode is part of our Streamline, Stack, and Save mini-series, where we're exploring tools and strategies that simplify how you ear…
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#129 - Ego, Taxes, and the Paycheck Trap: Pilot Wealth Myths Exposed
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29:42Why do so many high-earning pilots struggle to build real wealth? Hosts Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson get candid about the habits, mindset, and blind spots that keep aviators from achieving true financial independence. They reveal the five biggest mistakes pilots make, from lifestyle creep and tax traps to ego-driven investing, and how to replace the…
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Teacher Turned Investor: Tracy Koa’s Leap Into PadSplit & New Builds With Dustin Geroski
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42:37In this episode of Get Creative, host Justin sits down with Tracy Koa and Dustin—co-living operators from the SubTo community—who are scaling from proven PadSplit deals to ground-up 10-bed/10-bath co-living new builds in Texas. They unpack how they fractionally raised ~$300K from ~30 equity partners, structured financing with DSCR loans and a credi…
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How to Help Sellers in Pre-Foreclosure with Creative Finance (SubTo Real Estate)
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32:46In this episode of Get Creative with Pace Morby, host Jordan Whittenburg sits down with Erick Arvizu Santos, an engineer-turned-real-estate investor from Arizona, to unpack how creative finance transformed his life and business. Erick shares his journey from managing an inherited property to building a 17-door portfolio through SubTo strategies, co…
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136. Mini Retirements: Redefining How You Work, Rest, and Live with Jillian Johnsrud
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59:17Do you think you have to wait until your sixties before you can retire? Maybe not. At least not the way we've been taught. In this episode, I'm joined by Jillian Johnsrud — author, podcast host, and coach — who challenges the idea of a traditional retirement in favor of taking mini retirements throughout your life and career. Jillian never expected…
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From Trucking to Cash Flow: How Kevin Thompson Became a Private Money Lender
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27:38Host Keola Keala sits down with entrepreneur-turned-investor Kevin Thompson (Gator, SubTo, Owners Club) to unpack how a lifetime of startups—and a family crisis—pushed him into creative private lending. Kevin shares how he discovered Pace Morby’s community, ditched analysis paralysis, and funded an 8-door PadSplit co-living project in Houston after…
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#128 - Inside the Fine Print: PPMs, Trust, and Investor Protection with Seth Bradley
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42:46What do private placement memorandums really mean for you as an investor? Hosts Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson sit down with attorney and real estate operator Seth Bradley to pull back the curtain on syndication documents, accreditation rules, and what truly protects investors. Seth shares his personal journey from med school to big law to entrepreneu…
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From Slumlord to Stabilized: Flipping a Mobile Home Park with Creative Finance
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55:18Host Justin Tuminowski sits down with Texas investors Lance & Jessie Riggen to unpack their full creative-finance playbook on a 42-pad mobile home/RV park in Midland, TX. They found the deal on a listing site, negotiated $1.4M seller financing at 7.5% with 10% down and 18 months interest-only, then battled deferred maintenance, septic surprises, va…
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135. Amex Platinum Cards Refresh: What's New, What's Missing, and What We Really Think
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1:00:44Back in June, Chase refreshed its personal Sapphire Reserve card and introduced the Chase Sapphire Reserve Business card, complete with highest ever annual fees for rewards cards. Not to be outdone, American Express quickly followed with its own updates to the personal and business Platinum Cards. Now that the details are here, it's time to look at…
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#127 - LLCs, Trusts, and K-1s: Smarter Asset Protection with Adam Kintigh
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52:03How protected is your wealth if something goes wrong? In this episode of Passive Income Pilots, Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson sit down with asset protection expert Adam Kintigh to share practical strategies every pilot and high-income professional should know. From real estate privacy trusts that cut transfer taxes to Wyoming LLCs that safeguard synd…
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