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Episode 355 Dr Stephanie Jones, Sofia Abuin, and Lucy Butler Pt 1 Coercion, Control and Empathy
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54:21This is Part One of a conversation with Lucy Butler of River Haven Animal Sanctuary, Dr Stephanie Jones and her grad student, Sofia Abuin Dr. Jones is new to Equiosity. She graduated with her PhD in Behavior Analysis from West Virginia University in 2021. Her primary research focuses on effects of implementer errors that occur during well-establish…
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Episode 354 Dominique is Back! Part 3 - Should Bits Be Used?
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1:00:54Dominique is back! Dominique took some time off over the summer. Now she is back and full of enthusiasm for the recent Equiosity conversations she’s been listening to. In Part 1 we talked about the recent podcast with Rick Hester, Amy Shilz, from the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo and Lucy Butler from the River Haven Animal Sanctuary in Rhode Island. We tal…
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Episode 353 Dominique is Back! Pt 2 Training Resilient Animals
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51:53Dominique is back! Dominique took some time off over the summer. Now she is back and full of enthusiasm for the recent equiosity conversations she’s been listening to. In Part 1 we talked about the recent podcast with Rick Hester, Amy Shilz, from the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo and Lucy Butler from the River Haven Animal Sanctuary in Rhode Island. We tal…
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Episode 352 Dominique Is Back! Part 1 Treat Horses Like Zoo Animals
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43:37Dominique is back! Dominique took some time off over the summer. Now she is back and full of enthusiasm for the recent Equiosity conversations she’s been listening to. In this episode we revisit the conversation we had with Rick Hester, Amy Schilz and Lucy Butler. Rick is the Curator of Behavioral Husbandry for the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado…
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Episode 351 Dr Claire St Peter & Dr Carol Pilgrim Pt 3 - Equine Simulators and Good Science Matters
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38:38This is part three of our conversation with Dr Claire St Peter from the University of West Virginia where she is currently the Chair of the Department of Psychology, and Dr Carol Pilgrim, a Professor Emerit in the Psychology Department at the University of North Carolina Wilmington.Dr Pilgrim has received many honors throughout her career including…
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Episode 350 Dr. Claire St Peter & Dr. Carol Pilgrim Part 2 Stimulius Control
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43:41This is part two of our conversation with Dr Claire St Peter from the University of West Virginia where she is currently the Chair of the Department of Psychology, and Dr Carol Pilgrim, a Professor Emerit in the Psychology Department at the University of North Carolina Wilmington.Dr Pilgrim has received many honors throughout her career including t…
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Episode 349 Dr Claire St Peter & Dr Carol Pilgrim Pt 1 - Stimulus Control
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42:22We’ve covered a lot of topics with behavior analysts. This week we’re talking with Dr. Carol Pilgrim and Dr. Claire St Peter about stimulus control. Dr Claire St Peter is from the University of West Virginia, where she is currently the Chair of the Department of Psychology. Claire has been on this podcast many times. Claire is not only a behavior a…
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Episode 348 Rick Hester, Amy Schilz & Lucy Butler Pt 3 - Enrichment and Public Education at the Zoo
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45:22For the episode we’re continuing our conversation with Rick Hester, Amy Shilze and Lucy Butler.Rick is the Curator of Behavioral Husbandry for the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado. He oversees all the zoo's behavioral programming. His work includes the zoo's animal training for husbandry, medical, and public show behaviors, enrichment, developing …
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Episode 347 Rick Hester, Amy Schilz, & Lucy Butler Pt 2 - Enrichment & Freeing Up The Operant
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55:46For the episode we’re continuing our conversation with Rick Hester, Amy Shilze and Lucy Butler.Rick is the Curator of Behavioral Husbandry for the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado. He oversees all the zoo's behavioral programming. His work includes the zoo's animal training for husbandry, medical, and public show behaviors, enrichment, developing …
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Episode 346 Rick Hester, Amy Schilz, and Lucy Butler - A Day At The Zoo Pt 1
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38:28For the episode we’re heading to the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo for a conversation with Rick Hester, Amy Schilz and Lucy Butler.Rick is the Curator of Behavioral Husbandry for the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado. He oversees all the zoo's behavioral programming. His work includes the zoo's animal training for husbandry, medical, and public show behavi…
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Episode 345 Michaela Hempen and Lucy Butler - Anja Beran's Workshop Pt 3
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39:25This is part 3 of a conversation with Michaela Hempen and Lucy Butler about their visit in August to attend Anja Beran’s 12th International Workshop held at her stable in Bavaria.Both Michaela and Lucy have been guests on the podcast many times before. Michaela is well known for the research project she did on the operant control of cribbing. With …
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Episode 344 Michaela Hempen & Lucy Butler - Anja Beran's Workshop Part 2
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46:59This is part 2 of a conversation with Michaela Hempen and Lucy Butler about their visit in August to attend Anja Beran’s 12th International Workshop held at her stable in Bavaria.Both Michaela and Lucy have been guests on the podcast many times before. Michaela is well known for the research project she did on the operant control of cribbing. With …
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Episode 343 Michaela Hempen & Lucy Butler - Anja Beran's Annual Workshop Pt 1
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49:06This is part 1 of a conversation with Michaela Hempen and Lucy Butler about their visit in August to attend Anja Beran’s 12th International Workshop held at her stable in Bavaria.Both Michaela and Lucy have been guests on the podcast many times before. Michaela is well known for the research project she did on the operant control of cribbing. With …
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Episode 342 Jane Myers and the Equicentral System Part 2
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59:40Equiosity Episode 342: Horses for Future Jane Myers and The Equicentral System Pt 2This is part 2 of a conversation Jane Myers on the equicentral system and pasture management. This episode comes from the archives of my Horses For Future podcast that I produced from 2019 to 2021. The podcast explored what horse people can do to help in the climate …
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Episode 341 Jane Myers Equicentral System Pt 1
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42:49We’ve just finished a three part conversation with Dr Susan Schneider that was centered around the climate change crisis. In that conversation I referenced my Horses For Future podcast. This is a podcast that I produced from 2019 to 2021. It explored what horse people can do to help in the climate change crisis.The premise is a simple one. Horse pe…
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Episode 340 Dr. Susan Schneider Pt 3 What We Gain When We Take Action
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44:15This is Part 3 of a three part conversation with Dr. Susan Schneider. Dr.Schneider is the author of “The Science of Consequences”. For the past eight years Dr, Schneider has made climate change her primary focus. Dr. Schneider is on the faculty at Western Michigan University and serves on its Climate Change Working Group. She also serves on the Too…
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Episode 339 Dr Susan Schneider Pt 2 Horses Climate Change & Making a Difference
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47:58This is Part 2 of a three part conversation with Dr. Susan Schneider. Dr.Schneider is the author of “The Science of Consequences”. For the past eight years Susan has made climate change her primary focus. Her work on climate change and sustainability includes outreach, community projects, organizing, academic and nonacademic publications, and exten…
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Episode 338 Dr Susan Schneider Pt 1 Horses Climate Change & Making a Difference
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49:57In this three part series we’re joined by Dr. Susan Schneider is a behavior analyst. She is the author of “The Science of Consequences” which many of you may have read. Normally when we have behavior analysts as guests we talk about academic subjects such as schedules of reinforcement. In this case I wanted to talk to Susan about what horse people …
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Episode 337 Anita Schnee Pt 2 A Feldenkrais™ Practioner's Perspective on Going Truly Micro
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44:18Our guest this week is Anita Schnee. Anita is a Feldenkrais™ practitioner who has joined us many times on this podcast. During the recent conversation we recorded with Dr Brennan Armshaw and Dr Claire St Peter (episodes 324 and 325), I kept thinking - I wish we had invited Anita. Well, it turns out Anita was listening. Anita offers Awareness Throug…
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Episode 336 Anita Schnee Pt 1 A FeldenKrais™ Practitioner's Perspective on Going Truly Micro
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57:23Our guest this week is Anita Schnee. Anita is a Feldenkrais™ practitioner who has joined us many times on this podcast. During the recent conversation we recorded with Dr Brennan Armshaw and Dr Claire St Peter (episodes 324 and 325), I kept thinking - I wish we had invited Anita. Well it turns out Anita was listening. Anita offers Awareness Through…
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Episode 335 Dr. Claire St Peter & Dr Brennan Armshaw pt 2 Going Truly Micro
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1:05:12This week we are joined by two behavior analysts. Dr. Claire St Peter is the chair of behavior analysis at the University of West Virginia. She has been a frequent guest on this podcast. We are also joined by Dr. Brennan Armshaw, who also teaches at the University of West Virginia. Claire is a horse person so she’s able to bridge the world between …
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Equiosity Episode 334 Dr Claire St Peter & Dr Brennan Armshaw Pt 1 Going Truly Micro
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53:12This week we are joined by two behavior analysts. Dr. Claire St Peter is the chair of behavior analysis at the University of West Virginia. She has been a frequent guest on this podcast. We are also joined by Dr. Brennan Armshaw. Claire is a horse person so she’s able to bridge the world between behavior analysis and horse training. Dr. Armshaw has…
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EPISODE 333 It's Hot! Pt 3 Funnels Not Cylinders - Becoming a Selective Sifter
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53:13We want to start small. That’s an important part of loopy training and constructional training in general. You begin with a small, simple, easily achieved response which means you are starting with a high success rate resulting in a high rate of reinforcement.This is great from your horse’s point of view. Very little effort yields consistent goodie…
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Equiosity 332 It's Hot Pt 2 Light Versus Absent & Working on a Release versus Steady Contact
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57:44Dominique and I spent a very hot June afternoon recording this three part conversation. In the previous episode we talked about the weather because when it’s over a hundred degrees, it’s hard to think about anything else. We shared what we do to keep our horses comfortable in this extreme heat.We also talked about neck ropes. I described what you c…
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Episode 331 It's Hot Pt 1 Managing Horses in Extreme Heat Plus Neck Ropes and Ground Driving
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59:51It’s hot. The day we recorded this conversation it was 105 degrees (Fahrenheit) where Dominique lives. My area was positively balmy by comparison. It was only 94 degrees. So the weather is what we both wanted to talk about and more specifically how do we manage our horses when the temperatures are so extreme? We aren’t authorities on horse care. We…
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Episode 330 Muna Clough Pt 3 - Putting Principles Into Practice
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39:02This is Part 3 of a conversation with Muna Clough. I’ve wanted to have Muna on the podcast for quite a while. She’s a participant in my on-line clinics along with her Irish Draft cross, Frank. One of the first videos she sent me showed Frank rearing up at her and then snaking his head around and biting at her legs.In the more recent videos Muna has…
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Episode 329 Muna Clough Pt 2 "Hot Potato" Horses
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47:16This is Part 2 of a conversation with Muna Clough. I’ve wanted to have Muna on the podcast for quite a while. She’s a participant in my on-line clinics along with her Irish Draft cross, Frank. One of the first videos she sent me showed Frank rearing up at her and then snaking his head around and biting at her legs.In the more recent videos Muna has…
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Episode 328 The SABA Awards and Muna Clough Pt 1 Overfaced Handlersm4a
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41:15This is Part 1 of a conversation with Muna Clough. I’ve wanted to have Muna on the podcast for quite a while. She’s a participant in my on-line clinics. She has an Irish draft cross named, Frank. One of the first videos Muna sent me showed Frank rearing up at her and then moments later snaking his head around to bite at her legs.In the more recent …
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Episode 327 Ken Ramirez Part 2 Treatless Clicks - Clickless Treats and End of Session Strategies
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58:01This is part 2 of our conversation with Ken Ramirez. For over thirty years Ken was the executive Vice President overseeing animal care and training at the Shedd Aquarium. He is now the Executive Vice President and chief training officer of Karen Pryor Clicker Training. Those are impressive sounding titles, but they don’t come close to describing Ke…
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Episode 326 Ken Ramirez Pt 1 Keep Going Signals
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1:00:07You know you’re in for a great conversation when the guest for this week’s episode is Ken Ramirez. For over thirty years Ken was the Executive Vice President Overseeing Animal Care and Training at the Shedd Aquarium. He is now the Executive Vice President and Chief Training Officer of Karen Pryor Clicker Training. Those are impressive sounding titl…
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Episode 325 Susan Friedman Pt 5 Non-Linear Analysis
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43:08This is Part 5 of a five part series with Dr. Susan Friedman. Susan is a professor emeritus in the Department of Psychology at Utah State University. She is well known around the world for her very popular on-line course: How Behavior Works: Living & Learning With Animals). She has co-authored chapters on behavior change in five veterinary texts, a…
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Episode 324 Susan friedman Pt 4 Working in Teams
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42:46This is the fourth in a five part series with Dr Susan Friedman. The general topic is schedules of reinforcement. Susan is a professor emeritus in the Department of Psychology at Utah State University. She is well known around the world for her very popular on-line course: How Behavior Works: Living & Learning With Animals). She has co-authored cha…
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Episode 323 Susan Friedman Part 3 Schedules of Co-Variation
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41:52We’re talking with Dr Susan Friedman about schedules of reinforcement. Susan is a professor emeritus in the Department of Psychology at Utah State University. She is well known around the world for her very popular on-line course: How Behavior Works: Living & Learning With Animals). She has co-authored chapters on behavior change in five veterinary…
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Episode 322 Susan Friedman Pt 2- Variablity And Assent
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49:58We’re talking with Dr. Susan Friedman about schedules Susan is a professor emeritus in the Department of Psychology at Utah State University. She is well known around the world for her very popular on-line course: “How Behavior Works: Living & Learning With Animals”. She has co-authored chapters on behavior change in five veterinary texts, and her …
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Episode 321 Susan Friedman Part 1 Schedules of Reinforcement
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42:01This week we’re starting a new series with Dr Susan Friedman. Susan is well known around the world for her very popular on-line course: How Behavior Works: Living & Learning With Animals). She has co-authored chapters on behavior change in five veterinary texts, and her popular articles have been translated into 17 languages. She shares many of tho…
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Episode 320 The Clicker Expo and the Participating Horse Pt 2
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48:04Last week Dominique and I were talking about the Clicker Expo. We shared our impressions of the Expo and then I talked about my presentation on the participating horse.This week we are continuing to explore what changes in the relationship that established when active participation is encouraged. Active participation very much means that it is safe…
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Episode 319 The Clicker Expo and The Participating Horse Pt 1
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55:30We recorded this podcast on March 20, 2025. Dominique and I were just back from the Clicker Expo so of course that’s what we wanted to talk about. We begin with highlights from the Expo including the Saturday evening keynote presentation given by Jade Fountain. Jade has been involved with Apopo the organization that trains the giant poached rats th…
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This is a continuation of a conversation that Dominique and I had together at the beginning of February.Last week we were talking about the new on-line mini courses I am creating out of the original DVD Lesson series. I have recognized for a long time that people no longer have DVD players, so I am transferring the DVDs to the same platform that ho…
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Talking of Many Things Part 1: Loopy Training, The T’ai Chi Wall, Head Lowering and Pushy HorsesThis is a continuation of a conversation that Dominique and I had together at the beginning of February. My original intent when we got together was to talk about the new version of the DVD lessons, but then I got sidetracked because I really wanted to s…
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Episode 316 Small Is All - The Power of Tiny Movements
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40:19This is Part 2 of a conversation that Dominique and I had together at the beginning of February.I’ve been sharing a remarkable series of videos from one of my on-line clients, Muna Clough. In the previous episode I described the videos Muna sent me and the remarkable changes that occurred over a six day period. I shared Muna’s videos with my monthl…
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Episode 315 Sandro Transformation In The Runway Lessson Part 1
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50:42This is an unusual podcast. I’m going to be sharing a video with you. Now I know it’s odd to share a video on an audio format but this is no ordinary video. We’re going to be looking at a remarkable change in a horse. The horse is owned by one of the participants in my on-line clinics, Muna Clough. I won’t spoil the ending of the story by telling y…
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This is part three of a conversation Dominique and I had at the end of January 2025. Part 1 was a tribute to Karen Pryor. Part 2 was a celebration of Robin’s 30th birthday. I don’t know his exact birthday so I am celebrating all year long. For me, 30 seems like such an important milestone for a horse to reach. It’s like a person reaching their 90th…
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Episode 313 Celebrating Robin's 30th Birthday
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34:56Last week we celebrated the life of Karen Pryor. My horses have lived a much better life because of Karen's work. That includes my young horse, Robin. I suppose I should stop referring to him as my young horse because this year he has reached an important milestone. Robin is thirty years old. That's like a person reaching their 90th birthday. It’s …
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Episode 312 Remembering Karen PryorAt the end of January 2025 Dominique and I got together for an afternoon's conversation. This is part 1 of that conversation.I primarily wanted to talk about Karen Pryor. Karen died on January 5 2025. This episode celebrates her life.By Equiosity
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Episode 311 Lucy Butler Pt 3 Weaving Strong Safety Nets For Horses
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44:49This is Part 3 of our conversation with Lucy Butler. With her fiancee Lucy founded the River Haven Sanctuary in Rhode Island. The sanctuary is home to about fifty animals - pigs, geese, ducks, chickens, goats, donkeys, and three horses. The Sanctuary gives forever homes to animals that were in crisis. Lucy and her fiancee Jeff have plans for develo…
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Episode 310 Lucy Butler Pt 2 The Many Benefits Of Lateral Work
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44:02This is Part 2 of our conversation with Lucy Butler. With her fiancé Lucy founded the River Haven Sanctuary in Rhode Island. The sanctuary is home to about fifty animals, pigs, geese, ducks, chickens, goats, donkeys, and three horses. The Sanctuary gives forever homes to animals that were in crisis. Lucy and her fiancé Jeff have plans for developin…
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Episode 309 Lucy Butler Pt 1 River Haven Sanctuary
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47:57This is Part 1 of our conversation with Lucy Butler. With her fiancé Lucy founded the River Haven Sanctuary in Rhode Island. The sanctuary is home to about fifty animals, pigs, geese, ducks, chickens, goats, donkeys, and three horses. The Sanctuary gives forever homes to animals that were in crisis. Lucy and her fiancé Jeff have plans for developin…
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Episode 308 In Conversation Pt 4 From Foot Care To Round Pens, Relaxation Or Learned Helplessness
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37:38This is Part 4 of a 4 part conversation. In November Dominique and I spent a delightful afternoon going through a list of topics Dominique has been accumulating. We talked the afternoon away, so I’ve split our conversation into four episodes.In Part 1 we talked about trailer loading, the microshaping strategy and what criteria we use to decide when…
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Epsode 307 In Conversation Pt 3- Flexible Thinking And Fast Decison Making
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48:59This is Part 3 of a 4 part conversation. In November Dominique and I spent a delightful afternoon going through a list of topics Dominique had been accumulating. We talked the afternoon away, so I’ve split our conversation into four episodes.In Part 1 we talked about trailer loading, the Microshaping Strategy, and what criteria we use to decide whe…
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Episode 306 In Conversation Pt 2 Foot Care, Lateral Work And Round Penning People
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47:43This is a fun episode. We begin with foot care and the connection to lateral work. The lesson I describe is especially useful if you have a horse who struggles to pick up his feet for you. Instead of trying to fix a broken behavior, I share with you a different way of teaching your horse to pick up his feet, one that uses body part targeting.I’ll l…
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