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House Calls

Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets

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Welcome to House Calls, where we talk to investment bankers from Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBank Capital Markets Inc. These bankers are working in some of the most interesting segments of healthcare, with organizations and business models that are helping to change the US healthcare industry. Host David Johnson is a recovering investment banker who discovered he’s actually a journalist and started 4sight Health, a thought leadership and advisory company. Johnson leads the conversation a ...
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A Student's Intro to Alternative Investments

Alternative & Direct Investment Securities Association

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ADISA, in partnership with the Milken Institute HBCU Fellows Program, is excited to launch A Student’s Intro to Alternative Investments, a new podcast series providing students the opportunity to learn from current leaders in the alternative investments industry.
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IMPORTANT LEGAL DISCLAIMERS AND DISCLOSURES (Applies to All Content): -------------------- Summary Notice: We are not investment advisers. We do not offer personalized advice. Our portfolios and commentary are impersonal, educational, and created under the publisher exemption. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. Read our full legal disclaimers below. -------------------- Not Investment Advice: The content provided by Dale’s Solo Investors Podcast LLC ( ”the Company”, ”the ...
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Dale talks about how PBF stock might be undervalued despite a refinery fire a few months ago. Dale also talks about how FF stock has surprisingly low cyclically adjusted valuation ratios (even as the current US administration shows signs of support for the biofuels industry), and how a stock with a few rough years in the past might quietly climb ba…
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Today’s adolescents and young adults face unique challenges affecting their development and mental health. Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Erika Haanpaa talks with Dave about the factors driving the rising demand for age-appropriate mental health services and the new generation of innovative service providers leading the way with highly effective …
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In this episode, Dale defines what he looks for in a perfect stock: 1. A business with five low cyclically adjusted ratios. 2. A business with low competition, several clients, not capital intensive. 3. A business with a solid management team. Verbal disclosures read from 0:16 - 1:21 . General information and full disclosures for Dale’s Solo Invest…
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Cain Brothers’ Vice President JP Mills talks about exciting technological advances in orthopedic surgery – including augmented reality, mixed reality, virtual reality and surgical robots – and the potential impact on health outcomes, healthcare costs, and access. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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Big changes are clearly coming to Medicaid. Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Mike Elizondo discusses why Medicaid funding is so complex, how states might respond to funding cuts, and where investors should be looking for opportunities. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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Dale values symbol BDL and talks about the benefits of diverse menus in the restaurant business. Verbal disclosures read from 1:18-2:27. General information and full disclosures for Dale’s Solo Investors Podcast LLC are listed here: dalex5.podbean.com Sign up for Guru Focus: https://www.gurufocus.com/?affid=213fdcd9248dba7b149775aea75327e1 , click …
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Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Todd Rudsenske talks with Dave about the debate over the impact of for-profit enterprises on healthcare in the early 1990s – and why the same challenges, trends, and market needs are still in play today. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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Dale talks about five Cyclically Adjusted Valuation Ratios: Cyclically Adjusted Enterprise Value to EBIT (CAEE™) , Cyclically Adjusted Price to Book (CAPB™), Cyclically Adjusted Enterprise Value to EBITDA (CAEVE™), Cyclically Adjusted Enterprise Value to Free Cash Flow (CAEF™), and Cyclically Adjusted Enterprise Value to Gross Profit (CAEG™) . Verb…
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Dale discusses a novel approach to valuing individual stocks. Verbal Disclosures read from 2:54 - 3:50 . General information and full disclosures for Dale’s Solo Investors Podcast LLC are listed here: dalex5.podbean.com Sign up for Guru Focus: https://www.gurufocus.com/?affid=213fdcd9248dba7b149775aea75327e1 , click "Book a Demo" CAEE™ Ratio — Pate…
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Dale talks about BFH , Credit card duopolies , and how retail stocks benefit. Episode starts at 0:15 . Verbal Disclosures read from 0:50 - 2:00. General information and full disclosures for Dale’s Solo Investors Podcast LLC are listed here: dalex5.podbean.com Sign up for Guru Focus: https://www.gurufocus.com/?affid=213fdcd9248dba7b149775aea75327e1 …
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Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Patrick Allen talks about the growing role of private equity in the $209 billion cancer care market. As treatments become increasing specialized, complex and costly, the need to coordinate specialty physicians and ancillary care services has created compelling opportunities for investment. Cain Brothers is a divisio…
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Correction: In this episode, I mistakenly referenced the wrong land valuation for Dole. Dole had a certain number of acres publicly listed on their website. However, just because a company operates on land doesn’t necessarily mean they own it. I initially assumed Dole owned certain land in the Philippines, but after revisiting their 10-K and 20-F f…
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The oil and gas industry is possibly one of the most recognized sectors of the alternative investments space, but also potentially misunderstood. Listen in as Chandler Lilly, a junior at Florida A&M University, interviews Matt Iak, executive vice president at U.S. Energy Development Corporation. Together, they discuss Iak’s career path to the energ…
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Dale values symbol VNDA and talks about the benefits and risks of "net-net" stocks. Verbal disclosures read from 2:27 - 3:40. General information and full disclosures for Dale’s Solo Investors Podcast LLC are listed here: dalex5.podbean.com Sign up for Guru Focus: https://www.gurufocus.com/?affid=213fdcd9248dba7b149775aea75327e1 , click "Book a Dem…
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Alternative investments are growing in popularity and are well-poised to keep expanding, especially with changes in technology. In this episode, join Elias Carson, graduate student at Georgetown University, as he interviews John Grady, ADISA president and co-chair of the legislative and regulatory committee, and chief operating officer and general …
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Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Stacy Guffanti talks about the challenges of delivering and administering care for the nation’s 12.8 million dual eligible beneficiaries and how new policy initiatives will increase market interest in Medicaid M&A and higher acuity programs. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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Alternative investments are a fascinating asset class, but how are they regulated? Join Spelman College junior honors student Cori’Anna White as she interviews John Grady, ADISA president, and chief operating officer and general counsel at ABR Dynamic Funds. Tune in as they discuss the skills needed to pursue a career in alts, how legislation aroun…
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Cain Brothers’ Managing Director David Cohen talks about the rate of hospital consolidation in the US and why hospital operates are unlikely to match the level of concentration of managed care organizations. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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Interested in alternative investments? North Carolina A&T senior Miles Durant interviews Greg Mausz, ADISA board member and senior managing director at Skyway Capital, about the fundamentals of alts. They discuss what alternative investments are, their evolution, how to start investing and more. -----------------------------------------------------…
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Join Madison Oliver, a student at Florida A&M University, as she interviews Jade Miller, president of capital markets at Bourne Financial Group and 2024 ADISA board president, as they discuss her journey through the financial industry, including the importance of financial education, technology in the alternatives space, DEI initiatives and much mo…
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At Cain Brothers’ Annual Private Company Healthcare Conference in New York, Managing Director Matt Margulies led a panel discussion with private equity leaders about a range of strategic issues including Medicare Advantage, value-based care, PBM and pharmacy market dynamics, opportunities in pediatric home health, and challenges with provider inves…
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At Cain Brothers’ Annual Private Company Healthcare Conference in New York, Dave Johnson, CEO of 4sight Health spoke with Donald Trigg, CEO of apree health and Glenn Tullman, CEO of Transcarent about the power of self-insured employers to transform the experience and cost of healthcare. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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Between lawsuits, recalculated payments, and health plans leaving markets, Medicare Advantage has been in the news a lot recently. The Cain Brothers Managed Care team digs in on what’s happening, why, and how MA will likely evolve over next year and beyond. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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Is PE the cause of or solution to all of healthcare’s problems? Managing Director and Head of Cain Brothers Wyatt Ritchie joins Dave for an adult conversation about PE’s role in healthcare transformation. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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In this Quick Hits House Call, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Carl Hardie about the outsourced medical manufacturing market’s “crazy ride”, how industry leaders are navigating a host of operating challenges, and why the sector is stronger than ever and continues to grow. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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In this Quick Hits House Call, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Mike Elizondo about tumult in the Medicare Advantage market and why this could be an historic opportunity for health plans to drive growth. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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In this Quick Hits House Call, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Managing Director and Head of M&A John Soden about the recent MedTech and Life Sciences CEO Summit he hosted in Aspen, Colorado which brought innovative leaders together to discuss the complex challenges they’re facing today. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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In this Quick Hits House Call, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Jill Frew about the exciting potential of AI-powered tools to derive insights from physician-patient communications and reduce the burden of documentation, paving the way for more personalized care and greater administrative efficiency. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyB…
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In this Quick Hits House Calls, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Dave Morlock about health system turmoil and transformation, the role of private equity, and the upcoming Cain Brothers’ Health System and Private Equity Collaboration Conference on June 12-13 in Nashville. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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In this Quick Hits House Calls, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Director Andy Labovitz about General Catalyst’s proposed acquisition of Summa Health – and whether that transaction represents the future for more health systems around the country. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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In this Quick Hits House Calls, Dave talks to Cain Brothers’ Director Dom Porretta about the intense pressure on skilled nursing facilities and health systems and the need for fresh thinking on joint ventures that reduce discharge bottlenecks and improve day-to-day operations and overall care quality. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital …
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Why did Indiana become a hotbed of modern medical device manufacturing? Why did Henry Ford build a city in the Amazon? Every manufacturing sector has its origin story. Most turn to outsourcing as processes and components become increasingly complex, costly, and challenging for compliance. Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Carl Hardie shares these st…
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Why now? Once a rarity, today, health systems and private equity are increasingly working together to transform health system operations through new strategic partnerships. Cain Brothers’ President Wyatt Ritchie joins Dave to discuss the forces bringing private equity and health systems together to power value creation and system transformation. Ca…
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How should health systems fundamentally rethink their strategies, capital sources and partnerships? Cain Brothers’ President Wyatt Ritchie and Managing Director Dave Morlock join Dave to discuss insights and perspectives from the first-ever health system private equity (PE) collaboration conference hosted by Cain Brothers in Nashville in June. Cain…
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As one of the chief architects of the Affordable Care Act – signed into law 13 years ago last week – and a healthcare thought leader today, Dr. Zeke Emanuel understands how healthcare policy gets forged, how crisis continues to create opportunity, and how innovation can break through industry inertia to transform business and care delivery models. …
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Value-based care, consolidation, digital transformation, healthcare-at-home… Cain Brothers’ President Rob Fraiman joins Dave to talk about bold predictions for healthcare in 2023 – and how health systems are rethinking their business models and capital formation strategies to survive and thrive in an era of turbulence and opportunity. Cain Brothers…
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Volatile labor costs, increased margin pressures, an ever-growing competition for nurses… what’s a health system to do? Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Andy Goldberg joins Dave to talk about health systems’ need for more dynamic, comprehensive workforce strategies, and the innovative staffing companies helping them meet the challenges to come. Cai…
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Millions of Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries lack access to dental care – a situation that not only affects their health and well-being but also increases America’s overall healthcare costs. Cain Brothers’ Director Jenny Watson joins Dave to talk about the role that private equity- and venture-backed dental providers and benefits administrators …
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Stephen Griggs, the CEO of AdaptHealth, joins Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Andy Goldberg and Dave Johnson for a lively discussion about the important role that home medical equipment providers can play in supporting value-based care delivery in the home. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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The market for home-based care delivery is growing rapidly, but what do providers and payers need to succeed in delivering high-quality care that serves patients/beneficiaries in the home? Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Matt Margulies joins Dave to talk about the challenging referral and payment dynamics impeding better care, and new models for b…
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How can we better meet the mental, emotional and behavioral health needs of America’s children and teenagers? Cain Brothers’ Director Erika Haanpaa joins Dave to discuss the surge in mental health conditions in young people and the innovative mental health provider organizations offering high-quality services through schools. Cain Brothers is a div…
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Oh, my aching back! Cain Brothers’ Director Ricky Ng joins Dave to discuss the new wave of digital companies working to meet U.S. healthcare’s enormous need for earlier, more effective musculoskeletal (MSK) care. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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How are healthcare investors navigating the increasingly competitive and dynamic healthcare investment marketplace? Cain Brothers’ Directors Stacy Guffanti and Mike Elizondo join Dave to talk about what they learned from seasoned investors at leading PE and VC firms. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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Cain Brothers’ President Rob Fraiman and Dave look back on 2021, another remarkable year in U.S. healthcare investment and M&A activity, and debate the trends and market dynamics driving industry investment and innovation in 2022 and beyond. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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On our last talk on the road to value, Cain Brothers’ Managing Director Bryan Cloncs and Dave cross the digital bridge to patient communication and connection, and gaze toward the future of true patient engagement and tech-enabled consumer-focused healthcare. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.…
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Taking the scenic route on the road to value, Cain Brothers’ director Colby Kittrell joins Dave to talk about promising public and privately-funded initiatives bringing value-based care to underserved communities in rural America. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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As part of Cain Brothers’ 8th annual Healthcare Conference, Dave Johnson interviewed Amedisys CEO, Paul Kusserow, on his unusual approach to healthcare leadership and his company’s remarkable turnaround story in the dynamic home health sector. Cain Brothers is a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets.By Cain Brothers, a division of KeyBanc Capital Markets
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