Best Clay Jacobson Podcasts (2026)

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S4 EP23 - How Energy Work Relates To The Enneagram 57:20

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Enneagram 2.0 on a Tuesday? You heard that right! Our hosts have some exciting news to share! In this very special episode, Urânio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut dive into energy, energetic work, and the Spiritual Dimension of the Enneagram. They explore how everything in the universe is energy, and how each type expresses distinct energetic patterns t…

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Interview With Madeline Rains - A Sexual Nine's Personal Journey - S4 EP22 53:03

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Today, Uranio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut Madeline Rains. She is an Enneagram coach who offers services through Arcana Wellness -- a group practice in Asheville, NC that offers psychotherapy, spiritual care, as well as enneagram coaching and retreats. Arcana Wellness providers Mollie & Anthony Pleetanino also specialize in psychedelic medicine and r…

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Interview with Clay Shultz - S4 EP21 - The Self-Preservation Nine In Their Growth Path 53:53

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Today, Uranio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut talk with Clay Schultz about the growth path of Type 9, especially the self-preservation subtype. In this episode, Clay shares his personal journey of bodily and emotional awakening, showing how Nines can overcome inertia and numbness through presence and conscious action. He speaks about the challenge of le…

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Interview with Rachel Peterka - S4 EP20 - The Enneagram Sexual Type 1 in Daily Life and Counseling 51:30

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Today, Uranio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut welcome Rachel Peterka to discuss the sexual subtype of Type 1 in the Enneagram. In this episode, Rachel shares her personal experience as an intense “reformer,” navigating anger, self-criticism, and the challenge of balancing perfectionism with acceptance. The conversation explores how this subtype channels…

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The Somatic Dimension of the Enneagram 36:19

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Today, Uranio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut talk about the somatic dimension of the Enneagram. In this episode, they explain how each type and subtype expresses tension and blockages in the body, and how this influences emotions and behavioral patterns. Urânio and Bea share practical examples of how the instincts and triads impact different areas of t…

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Interview with Chris Schoolcraft - The Enneagram in Coaching Practice and Personal Setting - S4 EP18 1:06:13

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In this week’s episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes sit down with Chris Schoolcraft, founder of CLS Leadership and Coach at CP Enneagram Academy! In this meaningful conversation, Chris shares his story with the Enneagram, with deep insights on how it helped him on professional and personal levels, and shares beautiful learnings on being a Fiv…

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Interview with Leslie McDaniel - S4 EP17 - The Enneagram in Practice and personal growth 53:05

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In this week’s episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes sit down with Leslie McDaniel, founder of Hello, Personality. In this deep, heartwarming conversation, Leslie shares beautiful insights of her inner work with the Enneagram, as well as her outer work, leading others in self-discovery and growth journeys through the Enneagram practice. Learn …

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Interview with Khadija Bennani - Using the Enneagram in Conscious Parenting and Parenting Coaching 54:11

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In this week’s episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes sit down with parenting coach Khadija Bennani. In this heartwarming conversation, Khadija shares beautiful insights from her work with Conscious Parenting, Parenting Coaching, and the Enneagram. She also reflects on how the Enneagram typing tool has helped her refine her coaching skills and …

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S4 E15 - The Social Seven in Leadership and Coaching with Mark Barcus 1:03:47

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In this week’s episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes sit down with Mark Barcus, coach and Immigration Judge for Training and Management at the U.S. Department of Justice. In this lighthearted and insightful conversation, Mark shares his journey with the Enneagram, his experience as a Social Seven, and how the Enneagram has shaped both his pers…

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S4 E14 - The Personal Challenges of a Social Five with Ivy Jacobson 54:55

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In this week’s episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes sit down with their student and dear friend, Ivy Jacobson. In this heartwarming conversation, Ivy opens up about her personal journey with the Enneagram — sharing how she faced her fears, worked through challenges and patterns, and began living as her best self. She also reflects on how the …

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Interview with Diana ChapmanThe Enneagram in Leadership and Personal Life - S4 E13 1:00:46

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In this week's episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes interview Diana Chapman, Leadership coach, co-founder of the Conscious Leadership Group, and co-author of the book The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership and upcoming book No Drama Teams. In this lighthearted conversation, Diana shares her professional story, as well as case studies and …

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S4 Ep.12 - A look back: Webinar: What are the Enneagram Subtypes? 1:17:53

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The nine Enneagram types tell us a lot, but the Enneagram subtypes descriptions offer an even more nuanced view of the personality types, shedding light on our most unconscious level of functioning so we can become more self-aware. The Enneagram describes three centers of human intelligence—the head, heart, and body. Each triad then divides into th…

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S4 E11 - The Enneagram and Storytelling in teamwork - An interview with Christy Kennedy, Enneagram facilitator. 59:26

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In this week's episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes interview Christy Kennedy, founder of Culture Conscious — a company that integrates the Enneagram with storytelling to unlock the full growth potential of leaders and teams. In addition to her professional journey with the Enneagram, Christy shares her personal growth story, offering beautif…

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S4 EP10 A Spiritual Director's Personal Experience as a Social Two 1:04:10

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In this week's Episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Urânio Paes interview Desta Goehner, a spiritual director who has helped several spiritual workers and leaders improve themselves in their journey using the Enneagram. They also discuss her personal growth journey as a Social Two, highlighting how the Enneagram is a powerful tool that can help in your o…

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S4 Ep9 Integrating the Enneagram in Psychotherapy and Healing Work 59:02

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In this episode, Bea and Uranio sit down with psychotherapist Karen Carlsen to explore how the Enneagram can be integrated into deep healing and therapeutic work. Karen shares her approach to using the Enneagram as a map for understanding personality defenses, the power of knowing her clients' Enneagram types, and transformation in psychotherapy an…

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S4 Ep8 Doing Deep work with the Enneagram in Egypt and London 34:55

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Beatrice Chestnut has a conversation with Dina Elbadry about the power of recognizing and accepting trauma. The act of sharing personal stories with a group of people has a profound effect on self-development. Learn how being vulnerable in a group of people who validate and resonate with pain can help release the power trauma holds. Sign up for our…

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S4 Ep7. A Look Back: Focus of Attention of the 27 Subtypes 1:17:53

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All Enneagram types have a particular thing that they focus their attention on (often unconsciously). Understanding each of these points of focus is one of the best ways for people to learn about the Nine types and the 27 subtypes. People tend to become very good at the thing they pay attention to, but they tend to miss the bigger picture. For inne…

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S4 Ep6 The Psychological Dimension of the Instincts 53:52

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In this episode, we dive deep into the psychological layers of the Enneagram’s three instincts: Self-Preservation, Social, and Sexual. We explore the profound influence of parenting dynamics on the dominant instinct, uncovering how caregivers shape our instinctual survival strategies. How does a parent’s role reinforce or distort an instinct’s expr…

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S4 Ep5 The Upsides and Downsides of Each Center of Intelligence 54:56

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Each of the three Centers of Intelligence has upsides and downsides. Being a Body Type, Heart Type, or Head Type plays a big role in our daily experience and how we navigate the world in collaboration with others. Some adaptive strategies that come with Anger, Sadness, and Fear have some pros, while other traits have a negative impact on daily life…

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S4 Ep4 How Each Enneagram Type Works with Others in Teams 1:17:01

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Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes both have experience applying the Enneagram to business teams. In this episode, they discuss how the three dominant instincts, Centers of Intelligence, and each of the nine Enneagram types influence the way people work with others. In the team building process, it is important to keep these influences in mind, as t…

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S4 Ep3 Time Management for Each Enneagram Types - Enneagram Types 2, 3, and 4 (Heart Types) Part 3 of 3 42:42

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Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes, who studied the Enneagram collectively for over 50 years, continue their discussion of time management of each of the Enneagram types. In this episode, they talk about their experiences with heart types, Enneagram Type 2, Type 3, and Type 4. In general, these types’ perspectives of time are elastic, which can be h…

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S4 Ep2 Time Management for Each Enneagram Types - Enneagram Types 8, 9, 1 (Body Types) Part 2 of 3 45:46

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Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes, who studied the Enneagram collectively for over 50 years, continue their discussion of time management of each of the Enneagram types. In this episode, they talk about their experiences with body types, Enneagram Type 8, Type 9, and Type 1. In general, these types are prone to routines and are drawn to following a…

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S4EP1 Time Management Tips for Each Enneagram Type: Head Types (Part 1 of 3) 56:01

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Each Enneagram type has a default mode in how they relate and manage time. In this episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes, who studied the Enneagram collectively for over 50 years, explore how Enneagram type, and even subtype and instincts, affect the way we perceive time. Bea and Uranio offer tips that can not only help you manage time more in…

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S3 Ep25 How each Enneagram type creates problems in close relationships 35:24

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By definition, the nine Enneagram personality types are problematic, and issues related to the ego affect close relationships. It's easy to see how the other person brings problems into a relationship, but it's much harder to see how we bring challenges, too. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes explain the challenges that each of the nine Enneagram t…

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S3 Ep24 Working on Enneagram Shadow is Working Towards Peace 37:19

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When you own your Enneagram shadows, the parts of yourself that remain unconscious, it helps ease pressure on the collective Enneagram shadows in society. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes discuss what shadows each Enneagram type has that can cause roadblocks to connecting with others. When facing these unconscious shadows, we can see a path forwar…

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S3 Ep23 Nine Enneagram Characters in 20 Minutes 17:58

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Join Bea and Uranio as they share their ideas of Enneagram types of fictional characters in movies and TV shows. This episode could broaden your concept of what Enneagram types look like while having some fun. Let us know if you agree with our choices! CP Enneagram Academy offers a course nearly every year that goes into depth about behavioral patt…

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S3 Ep22 Nature AND Nurture with the Enneagram 1:27:46

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Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes discuss how early childhood development is impacted by Enneagram types. As adults, if we make the connections between our current struggles to unattended needs that come from childhood, it can make behavioral changes easier. This valuable theme is taught in the CP Enneagram Academy’s professional Enneagram Skills w…

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S3 Ep21 A look back: Why are Enneagram Subtypes So Important? 1:23:56

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In this episode, we revisit one of the most-listened-to episodes of our podcast. ⁠Beatrice Chestnut⁠ and ⁠Uranio Paes⁠ discuss why subtypes are so important when figuring out your type or even typing your clients. They also go through all 27 subtypes in the enneagram and talk about how Bea brought to light the important work of Claudio Naranjo thro…

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S3 Ep20 Accessing the Enneagram Arrows in Childhood 1:27:52

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This episode addresses the challenge of accurately identifying Enneagram types by exploring how childhood behaviors and arrow movements provide key insights into early personality formation, offering a framework for more precise typing and pointing to transformative, psychological growth paths. Join Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes in this deep di…

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S3 Ep19 The Importance of Humility— It is not just for Enneagram Type 2s! 1:28:35

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Humility is an important concept in inner work according to many spiritual traditions. In some ways, it’s a key part of what the Enneagram is about, which is disidentifying with ego. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes will discuss how humility is commonly understood but also how we might understand it when we are using the Enneagram for inner work. …

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S3Ep18 Subtype Interview: Social Four Personal Growth Journey 45:03

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Enneagram teacher and psychotherapist Beatrice Chestnut has a rich conversation interviewing an Enneagram Social Four, Elizabeth Cotton. As a SO4, Lizzy shares her experience using the Enneagram with her clients as a psychotherapist and how she sees the power of this ancient tool, especially when working with couples. She also opens up about how un…

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9 Ways People Heal Trauma using the Enneagram - Real Client Cases S3 Ep 17 59:39

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Our personality is a defensive coping structure to protect us from pain, including traumatic injury. This defense mechanism was necessary when dealing with trauma at the time, but afterward, we tend to have problems that flow from that defense that block our growth. It becomes like a wound that hasn’t been healed and creates challenges for change. …

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S3 Ep16 What to do when your friends and family don't like the Enneagram 57:55

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It's important not to judge people for not being interested in the Enneagram or self-development in general. If your family and friends are not interested in the Enneagram, you could try to grow your social circle to include people who are interested. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes share advice on how to get people in your life curious about thi…

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S3Ep15 Subtype Interview: Sexual Three Personal Growth Journey 1:09:26

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Today, our interview is with Jennifer Culverhouse, a Sexual Three. During the interview, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes pointed out patterns in her personality that are common among SX 3s, which helps in understanding key differences between the three subtypes of Type Three. Like learning about the Enneagram? Join a community of Enneagram enthus…

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S3Ep14 Zillennial Perspective on the Enneagram 52:58

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How do Zellennials think about the Enneagram? How do they discover the Enneagram and how do they use it? In this episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes interview Maddy Dray, a young Millennial who relates to aspects of Gen Z, and they discuss the Enneagram from her perspective. Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a commu…

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S3Ep13 Observations and Reflections for Each Enneagram Type 52:42

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The whole process of working with the Enneagram to grow and transform is based on observing what’s really happening to us. Self-observation and self-reflection sometimes sound simple, but as a psychotherapist, Beatrice Chestnut knows from working with clients that it doesn’t come naturally to us. People are often very surprised at what they find wh…

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S3 Ep12 Myths and Misconceptions When You Don't Know Enneagram Subtypes 1:20:38

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Pulling from the theory of Claudio Narajano, Bea and Uranio share some common myths and misconceptions about Enneagram types when subtypes are not understood. When referring to subtypes, they are not referring to Wings. They use instinctual subtypes, which describe the mix of the passion of the type and dominant instinct, which is either self-prese…

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S3 Ep11 Subtype Interview: Self-Preservation Seven Personal Growth Journey 49:45

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This is a fantastic interview with Milton Stewart, a SP 7. He shares how he discovered the Enneagram and the ways he used this powerful tool to understand himself and help others better their lives. He discussed stories of overcoming his growth challenges as a Self-Preservation Seven. During the interview, Beatrice Chesnut and Uranio Paes pointed o…

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S3 Ep10 Activating the Body Center (part 3 of 3) 1:17:31

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Body Intelligence is something that is widely overlooked and undervalued around the world. Beatrice and Uranio Paes explain what it means to activate this Body Center, and how all nine types can benefit in understanding the value this can bring to our lives. One of the key pathways for inner work and personal development is to rebalance the three C…

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S3 Ep9 Subtype Interview: Sexual Four with Nancy Hunterton 1:01:24

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This is a rich interview with Nancy Hunterton exploring the experience of being a Sexual Four as a child, a mother, and a grandmother. During the interview, Beatrice Chesnut and Uranio Paes pointed out patterns in her personality that are common among Sexual Fours. Nancy shared stories, including the time she was in elementary school and stood up t…

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S3 Ep8 Getting Back to the Basics of the Enneagram 1:34:02

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In this episode, we are playing our most popular episode, which across all podcast platforms has over 55,000 plays! It is important to know that as we dive deeper into the Enneagram and learn the complexities of the tool that helps us better understand ourselves and the world, the fundamentals are the most important concepts to understand. It's eas…

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S3 Ep7 Activating the Heart Center (Part 2 of 3) 56:28

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Most people use the heart center superficially, meaning they use reactive and conditioned emotions, like an emotional reflex. In this episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes go through each of the nine types and describe ways in which all Enneagram types can Activate their Heart Center and truly feel the four core emotions: fear, anger, sadness,…

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S3 Ep6 The Enneagram in China: A Conversation with Teacher Gao 33:30

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How does the Enneagram spread around the world? In today's episode, straight from Shanghai, Beatrice Chesnut and Uranio Paes sit down with Teacher Gao. Teacher Gao has had a similar trajectory with the Enneagram as Bea and Uranio. A Self-Preservation 3, Gao has taken a long journey to discover his type and describes his inner work trajectory. He is…

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S3 Ep5 Activating the Head Center (Part 1 of 3) 48:21

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Every Enneagram type has a head center. While types Five, Six, and Seven overuse this center, the Body and Heart types underuse it. In this episode, Uranio Paes explains that the majority of people use the most basic part of the lower Head Center too often and during inappropriate times. It is the mechanical part of the brain that is used to memori…

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S3 Ep4 Dante's The Divine Comedy and the Enneagram 48:55

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We are looking back at one of our favorite episodes of our podcast Enneagram 2.0. It's about Bea’s research connecting the Enneagram and Dante’s The Divine Comedy. The Divine Comedy, written over 700 years ago, offers a timeless and universal message of psycho-spiritual transformation that is still relevant today. Listen to this episode where she t…

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S3 Ep3 Fooling the Personality 47:09

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We are not our personalities. However, when we are unaware of our lower selves, it’s easy to identify with our personalities. In this episode, Uranio Paes goes through each of the nine types to give examples of how to fool the personality so that we can be free from its hold on us. Each of the nine Enneagram types has an over-developed Center of In…

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S3 EP2 Subtype Interview: Self Preservation Type 6 Personal Growth Journey 1:04:30

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Bea and Uranio interviewed Trent Thornley, a Self-Preservation Six, to find out what helped him in his growth journey and to learn about how he experiences his Enneagram type and subtype. He talks about how he came to the Enneagram. He discussed how the Enneagram gave him Ah ha moments as well as uh oh moments. Trent discussed that all nine types h…

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S3 Ep1 Enneagram Subtypes in Relationships: Head Types (Part 3 of 3) 1:06:24

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This is the final episode of a three-part series about the Enneagram subtypes in relationships. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes discuss the differences between each of the three subtypes for each of the three Head Types: Type 5, Type 6, and Type 7. Each of the Enneagram types has a Self-Preservation, Social, and Sexual subtype. They explain how b…

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S2 Ep35 Enneagram Subtypes in Relationships: Heart Types (Part 2 of 3) 1:09:22

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This is the second episode in a three-part series on subtypes in relationships. Bea and Uranio discuss the three heart types and their subtypes in terms of interacting with others. They give actionable tips on how each of the subtypes can grow and how they can use a relationship as a path for growth. Inner work isn't fully complete without relation…

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S2 Ep34 Enneagram Subtypes in Relationships: Body Types (Part 1 of 3) 1:08:13

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It's easy to look at the nine Types when trying to understand how people behave and react in relationships. However, considering the 27 Subtypes is essential to understanding relationships. Subtypes are not just about the instincts of the individual, but how the instinct interacts with the passion of the type. The alchemistry is what plays out In t…