Hosted by CFTE Co-Director Jenn Turner, LMHC, On Trauma and Power explores the profound relationship of trauma and healing through the lens of embodied practices and the complex dynamics of power. Featuring survivors, experts, educators, authors, and practitioners of varying disciplines, this podcast dives into how trauma and power intersect in diverse ways in our lives. Join us for trauma-informed conversations that inspire, educate, and empower.
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The Biblical Mind is dedicated to helping its audience understand how the biblical authors thought, promoting Bible fluency through curious, careful reading of Scripture. It is hosted by Dr. Dru Johnson and published by the Center for Hebraic Thought, a hub for research and resources on the intellectual world of the Bible.
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The Embodied Justice podcast delves into the intersection of inner well-being, social change, and racial justice. Hosted by Dr. Judy Lubin, the founder of the Center for Urban and Racial Equity, the podcast explores the ways that personal and collective trauma influence our roles as changemakers and the broader impact they have on our work. In urgent times, inner work is often overlooked when caring for communities and building toward a just and liberatory future. In this podcast, we pause t ...
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Conscious leaders create conscious cultures. The UpLevel Podcast is a transformational resource for leaders, coaches, and people managers who are ready to lead with greater presence, purpose, and humanity. With 85% of employees disengaged at work and mental health challenges costing organizations thousands per employee each year, the demand for emotionally intelligent, trauma-aware, and consciously coached leadership has never been more urgent. Each episode explores what it truly means to up ...
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Israel’s Rituals, God’s Needs, and the Covenant That Changed Everything (John Walton) Ep. #223
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24:50What happens when a senior biblical scholar changes their mind—publicly? In this episode, Dr. John Walton returns to explain key shifts in his thinking, especially about Genesis, the temple, and covenant theology. He unpacks two major paradigm shifts: first, that Genesis creation isn’t about material origins, but about functional order; second, tha…
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Cultural Rivers, Order, and Covenant: Tools For Reading Scripture Well (John Walton) Ep. #222
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37:35In this thought-provoking episode, Walton explains his “cultural rivers” metaphor—how each culture swims in its own current of values, assumptions, and logic. We can’t read the Bible through modern, Western eyes without missing what mattered most to ancient audiences. Genesis, for example, isn’t about material origins but about God bringing order t…
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Right Relationship and the Future of Human-Centered Recruitment with Shannon Murfree
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44:42Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, join us for a deeply insightful conversation with Shannon Murfree, Senior Manager of Global Executive Talent Acquisition at Equinix, to explore what it truly means to lead and live in Right Relationship. With over 13,000 employees powering the digital infrastructure behind giants like Google, Amazon,…
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Unlocking The Deep Structures of Scripture: The Bible's Unified Message (Joshua Berman) Ep. #221
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45:37What if the Bible was written with deep structural patterns designed to echo across generations—economically and theologically? In this riveting episode, Dr. Joshua Berman joins Dru Johnson to reveal how literary design, verbal repetition, and cultural continuity make the Bible not a patchwork, but a carefully composed unity. Through examples rangi…
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Attachment Theory, God’s Presence, & The Image of God: How God Heals Us (Geoff Holsclaw) Ep. #220
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50:47What does attachment theory have to do with discipleship, theology, or the church? According to Dr. Geoff Holsclaw, more than we realize. In this episode, Holsclaw—a pastor, theologian, and co-author of Landscapes of the Soul—joins Dru Johnson to explore how neuroscience and interpersonal attachment can illuminate both human development and the bib…
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Restoring Right Relationship Through Somatic Practices and Embodied Leadership with Tasha Blank
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55:00Send us a text What if movement wasn’t just something we did for exercise but was a gateway into deeper healing, transformation, and leadership? This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we welcome Tasha Blank, an international DJ, somatic practitioner, teacher, and founder of The Get Down, Drop Body Language, and the global leadership academy Powerhouse D…
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Pharisees, Torah, and Sacrifice: What We Miss When We Misread the Law (Paul Sloan) Ep. #219
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47:10Did Jesus come to cancel the Law of Moses—or fulfill it? In this compelling episode, Dr. Paul Sloan joins Dru Johnson to challenge one of the most persistent misunderstandings in modern Christianity: the idea that Jesus and Paul opposed the Torah. Drawing from his book Jesus and the Law of Moses, Sloan explains how legalism, misunderstanding of imp…
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Is "Eye For An Eye" Christian? Jesus, Justice, and The Limits of Vengeance (Dru Johnson) Ep. #218
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46:47“Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.” We’ve all heard the phrase—but what does it actually mean in the Bible? In this episode, Mike Tolliver and Dr. Dru Johnson unpack the principle of Talion—Lex Talionis—and show why it’s one of the most misunderstood elements of biblical justice. They trace the concept across Leviticus, Exodus, and Deuteronomy, ex…
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Consciously Leading Through Right Relationship Toward Collective Liberation with Kvon and Jessica Tucker
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54:58Send us a text What happens when we have all of the most amazing people working together in the same direction? ANYTHING! Talk about impact abundance! This week on The UpLevel Podcast, join us for a tender, fiery, joyful, and profoundly real conversation with Kvon and Jessica Tucker, a husband-and-wife team embodying conscious leadership, healing, …
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Feasting on Hope: Sacraments, Trauma, and Formation in the Church (Hannah King) Ep. #217
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42:30Is communion just a symbolic snack—or a mysterious, formative act of grace? In this episode, Rev. Hannah King, an Anglican priest and author of the upcoming Feasting on a Hope: How God Sets a Table in the Wilderness, joins Dru Johnson to explore why the Lord’s Supper is essential for the Christian life. Hannah shares her journey from evangelical ch…
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Theology in the Mother Tongue: Oral Bible Translation and Embodied Faith (Fausto Liriano) Ep. #216
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49:11What if the Bible isn’t something you read—but something you hear, memorize, and perform? In this groundbreaking episode, Dr. Fausto Liriano shares his work translating the Bible into indigenous languages without writing it down. Through oral Bible translation projects in Guatemala, Mexico, and the Philippines, Dr. Liriano helps communities interna…
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Initiations in Love with Britta Eskey: Exploring Right Relationship Through the Lens of Love
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52:17Send us a text What if life itself is a school of love? This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we welcome Britta Eskey, author of Initiations in Love, co-founder of COR, and certified compassion cultivation teacher at Stanford. For over 25 years, Britta has guided individuals and communities through transformational work that reconnects us with our esse…
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The Illusion of Intelligence: Why AI Can’t Replace Embodied Life (Noreen Herzfeld) Ep. #215
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36:31Is AI intelligent—or just artificial? In this provocative episode, Dr. Noreen Herzfeld, a rare scholar of both computer science and theology, joins Dru Johnson to expose what most people overlook about artificial intelligence. Drawing from her recent book The Artifice of Intelligence, she challenges the mythology of AGI (artificial general intellig…
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Becoming God’s Family: Against Church Hurt, Isolation, and Autonomy (Carmen Imes) Ep. #214
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45:01Can you be a Christian without the church? In this timely episode, Dr. Carmen Imes argues forcefully—and pastorally—that Christianity without community is a contradiction. Drawing from her new book Becoming God’s Family, she and Dru Johnson explore why so many people are walking away from church and what it would take to draw them back. From church…
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Kiran Chitluri on Right Relationship: Leading With Humanity in Tech, Teams, and Life
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47:12Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, let’s hear it from Kiran Chitluri, a seasoned coach with 25 years of experience as a software engineer and manager whose leadership work bridges technology and humanity. Kiran has guided leaders and teams at some of the world’s most innovative companies, creating spaces where vulnerability, authentic…
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Literature and Idealism: Or, How The Bible Is A "Thick" Story (Karen Swallow Prior) Ep. #213
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41:14What do Tolkien, vocation, and gritty literature have in common? In this conversation, Dru Johnson talks with literary scholar Dr. Karen Swallow Prior about why Christians often gravitate toward fantasy and romantic ideals—and why that can be a problem. Karen critiques the elevation of genre fiction like The Lord of the Rings as literary canon and …
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Tribes, States, & Empires: Scripture’s Vision for a Virtuous Political Order (Yoram Hazony) Ep. #212
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1:06:49In this second conversation with political philosopher Yoram Hazony, we dive deeper into the biblical concept of nationhood, wrestling with listener-submitted questions on nationalism, empire, and political virtue. Hazony responds to critiques and clarifies his position: biblical nationalism is not about racial purity or imperialism, but about the …
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“Remembering, Repairing, and Regenerating: Leadership Rooted in Right Relationship" with Karina Turtzo
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49:01Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, join us for a soul-nourishing episode featuring transformational guide and bridge keeper Karina Turtzo, a woman walking the path of collective liberation through ancestral healing, indigenous wisdom, and regenerative leadership. Karina shares how “right relationship” is a lived practice that begins w…
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Just War, Christianity, and The Call to Serve: The Ethics of Military Service (Darren Duke) Ep #211
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43:28Should Christians serve in the military? In this sobering and nuanced episode, Dru Johnson sits down with retired Colonel Darren Duke—Marine Corps Special Operations commander and intelligence officer—to unpack this deeply personal and morally complex question. Drawing from over 30 years of military experience, Duke shares his evolving view of mili…
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Redefining Fitness & Empowering Movement ft. Candace Liger
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54:22In this episode, Jenn is joined by Candace Liger—fitness coach, activist, founder of The Center for Body Autonomy and Co-Director of Trauma Informed Weight Lifting. Candace shares how movement can serve as a powerful tool for healing, resistance, and liberation. Drawing from her personal history, including a family legacy of muscular dystrophy and …
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Building a Movement: Why the Church Needs Hebraic Thought—and What We’re Doing About It Ep. #210
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28:57In this update episode, Dru Johnson and Mike Tolliver pull back the curtain on the work happening at the Center for Hebraic Thought. From filing 501(c)(3) nonprofit status and building a stellar advisory board, to launching a redesigned website and reviving in-person workshops, the CHT has been quietly preparing for long-term growth and broader inf…
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Culture Is What You Tolerate: Syd Speaks on Leading with Integrity and Right Relationship with Sydney Gerbracht
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55:16Send us a text If you’re ready to rethink what’s possible for yourself, your team, or your organization, this episode will ignite something in you. This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we sit down with Sydney Gerbracht, transformational coach, leadership consultant, and visionary founder of Syd Speaks. From her days as an elite NCAA Division 1 athlete…
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Jesus Under Every Rock? Rethinking Christ-Centered Reading & Preaching (Chris Wright) Ep #209
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46:15Should Christians look for Jesus in every verse of the Old Testament—or are we missing the point when we do? In this wide-ranging and practical conversation, Dr. Christopher J. H. Wright, Langham Partnership’s Global Ambassador and one of the world’s leading Old Testament scholars, joins Dru Johnson to explore the difference between Christocentric …
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Breaking Cycles: Courage, Curiosity & Love ft. Lee Hawkins Jr
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1:04:44In this powerful episode, journalist and author Lee Hawkins joins Jenn Turner to explore the deep and far-reaching impact of intergenerational trauma. Drawing from his book I Am Nobody’s Slave, Hawkins shares his personal journey of uncovering his family's hidden history, including generations of racial violence, land theft, and silence around loss…
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The NAR, Power, and Prophecy: Inside America’s Forgotten Christian Movement (Matthew Taylor) Ep. #208
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53:00What if the most politically influential Christian leaders in America aren’t the ones you’ve heard of? In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Matthew D. Taylor joins Dru Johnson to explain how the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and related charismatic networks reshaped modern evangelicalism—and helped deliver the presidency to Donald Trump. Taylor,…
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"Living Aloha: Ancient Hawaiian Wisdom for Modern Leadership" with Kumu Ramsay Taum
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1:04:52Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we have the honor of sitting with Kumu Ramsay Taum, a revered Hawaiian elder and master teacher whose work bridges ancient wisdom with modern leadership. Recognized by the University of Hawai‘i as a Star of Oceania, Kumu’s teachings have transformed countless lives by reconnecting people to spirit, c…
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Hollywood, Scripture, and Politics: Joan Didion and the Power of Story (Alissa Wilkinson) Ep. #207
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47:54What do Hollywood, Joan Didion, and the Bible have in common? More than you’d expect. In this episode, New York Times film critic and author Alissa Wilkinson joins Dru Johnson to discuss the life, work, and worldview of Joan Didion, one of the most influential American writers of the 20th century. Wilkinson’s new book, We Tell Ourselves Stories, ex…
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Accessible Yoga: Creating Space to Explore New Perspectives ft. Jivana Heyman
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45:51In this rich and heartfelt conversation, Jenn is joined by Jivana Heyman—founder of Accessible Yoga and a longtime activist whose work began during the HIV/AIDS crisis in San Francisco. Together, they explore what it means to truly make yoga inclusive—not just in theory, but in real, embodied practice. Jivana shares how his personal journey, shaped…
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Wine, Worship, and Craftsmanship: A Biblical Theology of Alcohol (John Dunne) Ep #206
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48:40Was wine in the Bible just a calorie source—or something far richer? In this fascinating conversation, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, author of The Mountain Shall Drip Sweet Wine: A Biblical Theology of Alcohol, joins Dru Johnson to explore how wine and alcohol shaped ancient Israel’s culture, theology, and imagination. Dr. Dunne traces how biblical wine …
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"The Practice of Right Relationship: Leadership for a More Conscious World" with Christie Mann
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54:30Send us a text We flip the script in this milestone 100th episode of The UpLevel Podcast. Our Co-Founder, Rachel Baldi, steps into the interviewer’s seat to have a heartfelt, honest conversation with Christie Mann, best-selling author, executive coach, and Co-Founder & CEO of UpLevel. Together, they explore the evolving concept of Right Relationshi…
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Is Nationalism Biblical? Yoram Hazony on Nations, Empires, and Justice (Yoram Hazony) Ep. #205
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55:26Is nationalism always bad—or does the Bible have a more nuanced view of nations, borders, and political life? In this fascinating episode, Israeli philosopher Yoram Hazony joins Dru Johnson to explore the political vision of the Old Testament, from the Table of Nations in Genesis to the prophetic hope of nations learning from Israel in peace. Hazon…
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Do You See What I See? Worship, Joint Attention, and Being Human (Cockayne & Salter) Ep. #204
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46:16Is church just a place to think about God—or are we wired to worship together? In this groundbreaking episode, theologian Dr. Josh Cockayne and developmental psychologist Dr. Gideon Salter join Dru Johnson to explore how human beings are made for joint attention, and why gathering for worship is a deeply embodied, social necessity. Drawing from the…
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"Transforming Grief into Grace: Guiding Hearts Toward Healing, Wholeness, and Right Relationship" with Njeri Njuhigu
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1:00:05Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we welcome transformational coach, certified grief educator, and the founder of the Care Box Network and creator of the A.R.I.S.E. Collective, Njeri Njuhigu, a woman whose wisdom is born of deep experience. With her background in spiritual psychology and as a caregiver for her parents for over 13 yea…
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Embodying Love Through Somatic Healing ft. Ayanna Freedom, LICSW
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45:45This week, Jenn chats with Ayanna Freedom who shares her journey into somatic healing, emphasizing the importance of understanding trauma as a bodily experience rather than just a mental one, and truly embodying love. She discusses the challenges faced by BIPOC individuals in accessing holistic healing and the need for integrated approaches that ad…
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How Artists Think Biblically: Liturgies, Ritual, and the Weight of Words (Douglas McKelvey) Ep. #203
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56:40What gives someone the right to script your prayers? In this powerful conversation, Douglas McKelvey, author of the bestselling Every Moment Holy liturgical series, joins Dru Johnson to unpack the spiritual and theological journey behind his work. From a childhood steeped in neo-charismatic theology to a disillusioning college experience at Oral Ro…
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Is Abraham a Hero or a Warning? How Genre Makes or Breaks Your Bible Reading (Andy Judd) Ep. #202
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57:29What if our biggest biblical misunderstandings come from reading the right words in the wrong way? In this episode, Old Testament scholar Dr. Andy Judd joins Dru Johnson to unravel the complex and often misused concept of genre in biblical interpretation. Drawing from his background in English literature and law, Dr. Judd explains how many theologi…
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“The Wisdom of Right Relationship: Mental Health, Leadership & Claiming Your Brain” with Jocelyn Pepe
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55:24Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we sit down with Jocelyn Pepe, author of Claim Your Brain, and founder of TrU. We have a rich and powerful conversation about what it means to be in right relationship with our mental health. As a leader, coach, and advocate, Jocelyn is reshaping how we think about mental well-being in the workplace …
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Healing Grief with Embodied Storytelling ft. Peggy J. Bowers, Ph.D.
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49:22EPISODE CONTENT WARNINGS: 05:37 Sudden Death of Child 12:29 Mentions of Food Restriction Jenn Turner, LMHC sits down with Peggy J. Bowers, Ph.D. for an impactful and vulnerable conversation as they delve into the profound themes of trauma, healing, and the power of storytelling, particularly through literature. They explore how narratives can help …
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Storge, Justice, and the Ten Commandments: Rethinking Biblical Love (Mike Tolliver) Ep. #201
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53:27Is loving your family first a biblical idea—or a betrayal of Jesus’ call to love your neighbor? In this thought-provoking episode, Mike Tolliver—Executive Director of the Center for Hebraic Thought—joins Dru Johnson to explore his developing PhD thesis on Storge (family love), the kinsman-redeemer, and what biblical justice actually looks like. Dra…
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Managing Fame, Faith, and the Stage: Inside the (Christian) Music Industry (Nick Barre) Ep. #200
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53:40What does it mean to call something “Christian music”? Nick Barré has spent decades in the music industry—from working at EMI with early Switchfoot to managing major names like Casting Crowns, KB, Brandon Heath, and more. In this 200th episode of The Biblical Mind, he joins Dru Johnson to reflect on the Christian music label, the tension between ca…
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“Wisdom From Our Elders Part IV: Legacy, Leadership, and Right Relationship”
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1:19:25Send us a text In celebration of the 2025 International Coaching Week, we’re proud to share a deeply grounding and expansive episode of The UpLevel Podcast featuring five extraordinary elders: Eileen Blumenthal, Hide Enomoto, Hope Langner, John Vercelli, and Lorry Schneider. For the fourth year in a row, we’re honoring elderhood, an often overlooke…
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Parenting, Life Pitfalls & Positivity ft. Natalie Silverstein, MPH
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43:22Natalie Silverstein, MPH joins Jenn Turner, LMHC for an impactful and vulnerable conversation as they dive into the complexities of parenting in a challenging world, the importance of facing difficult realities, and the transformative power of turning personal struggles into positive action. Natalie shares her journey as a mother and advocate, part…
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Why Intellectual Humility Is the Key to Understanding Scripture (Matt Whitman) Ep. #199
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1:00:06In this episode, Dr. Dru Johnson sits down with Matt Whitman, host of The Ten Minute Bible Hour, to explore why so many Christians—and skeptics—struggle with Scripture. Whitman shares what he’s learned from engaging millions online: people are often afraid to be wrong, shaped by graceless experiences in church and cancel culture in the wider world.…
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Evolution and Identity: A Jewish Perspective on Science and Belief (Rachel Pear) Ep. #198
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52:41What happens when science, religion, and education collide? In this episode, Dr. Rachel Pear shares her remarkable journey from growing up in New York’s modern Orthodox Jewish community to researching how evolution is taught and received across Israeli society. A scholar of science education and prehistoric archaeology, Rachel discusses how Jewish,…
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“Right Relationship in Leadership: Courage, Curiosity, & the Four-Legged Stool” with Julie Barker-Merz
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46:56Send us a text This week on The UpLevel Podcast, we welcome the extraordinary Julie Barker-Merz, Regional President of BMO Bank of Montreal for Greater Toronto. A visionary leader with a bold heart, Julie is known for breaking new ground in corporate leadership and uplifting women across business, sport, and community. Julie shares deeply personal …
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Adaptive Yoga: Healing for Every Body ft. Rodrigo Souza
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44:21In this profound and vulnerable conversation, Jenn and Rodrigo explore the transformative power of adaptive yoga, particularly for individuals who have experienced trauma and disability. Rodrigo shares his personal journey from a physical yoga practice to a more thoughtful, spiritual approach after his spinal cord injury. They discuss the coexisten…
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Is Evolution a Dirty Word? Muslim Perspectives on Science and Religion (Shoaib Malik) Ep. #197
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54:02Is the relationship between Islam and science as well-developed as it is in Christianity? Not even close—but that’s changing. In this episode, Dr. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, Lecturer in Science and Religion at the University of Edinburgh, joins Dru Johnson to share the emerging field of Islam and science, focusing on the hot topic of evolution. Shoaib unp…
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Can Muslims, Jews, and Christians Talk About Science and Scripture? (Dru Johnson) Ep. #196
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37:01What happens when you put 15 scholars—scientists and theologians, Muslim, Jewish, and Christian—in a room to talk about creation? In this episode of The Biblical Mind Podcast, Dr. Dru Johnson shares his experience launching the Abrahamic Theistic Origins Project in Oxford. Far from being a formal academic conference, the gathering focused on “endur…
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Rooted in Purpose: Regenerative Leadership & Living in Right Relationship with Tree Jenny
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1:00:07Send us a text Have you forgotten how to play? This week on The UpLevel Podcast, join us for a deeply grounding and inspiring conversation as we sit down with Jennifer Leigh Smith, J.D., affectionately known as Tree Jenny. She is an environmental lawyer, regenerative leader, certified carbon auditor, and heart-centered activist. From growing up on …
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When Patients Empower The Self ft. Dr. Desmonette Hazly
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54:32In this enlightening and powerful conversation, Dr. Desmonette Hazly and Jenn explore the multifaceted nature of trauma and healing. They discuss the importance of mindfulness practices, the stigma surrounding mental health care, and the need for a trauma-informed approach that empowers individuals. Dr. Hazly emphasizes the significance of communit…
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