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Caleb Francis Podcasts
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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S9 Ep. 4 Ben Passmore on the History of Black Resistance
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47:37Graphic novelist Ben Passmore joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new graphic novel Black Arms To Hold You Up: A History of Black Resistance. Passmore explains the mix of personal reflection and historical storytelling in the book which follows the main character, a version of himself, time-traveling through a cent…
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Why Scientists Are So Thirsty (and Other Nature Facts) - Time for Pie #123
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1:01:10Heather and Caleb swap stories about peptide experiments, ducks laying eggs, and Heather’s dream of owning capybaras. Things escalate into talk of crows that bring cash, horny bird scientists, and survival show horror stories.EVERYTHING is better with HOT SALThttps://firecracker.farm and use code MILK to save 10% for yourself and we will donate 10%…
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S9 E3: Jelani Cobb on Race, Politics and the ‘Trayvon Martin Generation’
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54:29New Yorker staff writer Jelani Cobb joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new essay collection, Three or More is a Riot: Notes on How We Got Here: 2012-2025. Cobb recalls how he began the project by trying to understand how George Zimmerman’s killing of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012 set the tone for t…
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Caleb Ate an Actual HORSE - TFP 122 ft: Jack Mandaville
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59:53Join Caleb and Jack Mandaville ( Heather is sick) as they dive into Iceland’s wild side — horse steaks, puffin dinners, whale jerky and more. Everything is better with HOT SALT from https://firecracker.farmUse Code MILK to save 10% and we will donate 10% to Hunter Seven Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/PIE and use promo…
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S9 Ep. 2: Edwidge Danticat on Haiti and Trump, Past and Present
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48:52Acclaimed fiction writer and essayist Edwidge Danticat joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss her new essay collection We’re Alone. Danticat reflects on misinformation and xenophobic rhetoric, such as Trump’s false 2024 debate claim about Haitian immigrants eating pets in Springfield, Ohio, and how that type of language a…
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Zombies, Stingrays & Icelandic Nicotine - Time For Pie 121
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S9 Ep 1: Yiming Ma on the Future of Censorship
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43:13Fiction writer Yiming Ma joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new novel These Memories Do Not Belong To Us. Ma, who was born in Shanghai and visited China frequently after immigrating to the U.S. and Canada, talks about how terrifyingly easy it can be to live in a society in which censorship is the default, and the …
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Jarred is gone, Heather is in. For real this time. The Pie must go on. Firecracker Farm HOT SALT makes everything taste better!Use Code MILK at https://firecracker.farm to save 10% and we will donate an additional 10% to Hunter Seven Eat smart at FactorMeals dot com SLASH pie50off and use code pie50off to get 50% off your first box, plus Free Break…
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S8 Ep 52: Caleb Gayle on Black Settlers in the American West
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43:58Journalist Caleb Gayle joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new book Black Moses: A Saga of Ambition and the Fight for a Black State, which recounts the efforts of Edward McCabe, a Black settler who became a prominent politician in the late 1800s and spearheaded a mission to establish a majority-Black state in the A…
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The boys welcome Brent Tucker, founder of First Responders Coffee Company, and dive into the insanity of “screen cream” side effects, circus tigers running loose, and why hikers apparently need whips and top hats for survival. From service goats and emotional support dogs to wild stories about tiny beers, Ford Raptors, and Delta Force missions, the…
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S8 Ep. 51: Omar El Akkad on Gaza and Western Empire
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56:24Writer Omar El Akkad joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his recent nonfiction book, One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, which was just nominated for the National Book Award in nonfiction. El Akkad talks about developing the arc of the book, which addresses how Israel’s genocide in Gaza led to his “br…
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Pay-Per-View Capital Punishment - Time for Pie 118
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1:00:10The boys brainstorm over-the-top pay-per-view execution methods (everything from Ninja Warrior death traps to molten steel presses), pivots into bizarre food talk (beans, haggis, Viking stew), then drifts into ghost houses, crime conventions, horse girls vs. crime girls, and eventually full-blown chaos with horse masks. Just another Tuesday. EVERYT…
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S8 Ep 50: Jessica Francis Kane on Penelope Fitzgerald in Mexico
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47:16Novelist Jessica Francis Kane joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss her new novel Fonseca, which fictionalizes writer Penelope Fitzgerald’s 1952 trip to Mexico. Kane talks about imagining Fitzgerald in her mid-thirties, before she had become a novelist, when she was living a financially precarious life and editing a jour…
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Dan Hollaway - Puffins, Peptides and Turbo Cancer
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1:15:30Dan from Drinkin Bros is here. Strap in. Firecracker Farm HOT SALT makes everything better! If you order anything from their website and use the code MILK you save 10% AND another 10% will get donated to Hunter Seven. https://shop.firecracker.farm/products/hot-horse-hoofUSE CODE MILK If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable…
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S8 Ep. 49: Patrick Ryan on ‘The Good Heart’ of Buckeye
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47:19Fiction writer and editor Patrick Ryan joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his debut novel, Buckeye, which traces two generations of two Midwestern families connected by a secret. Ryan recalls the coincidental conversation that informed his portrayal of one character’s experiences with disability in World War II-era Oh…
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Nikko Ortiz recently moved to Texas and what better way to welcome him home than some Time for Pie EVERYTHING is better with HOT SALT. Get it at https://firecracker.farmUse code MILK to save money AND help fund cancer research Get firearm security redesigned and save 15% off @StopBoxUSA with code [PIE] at https://stopboxusa.com/PIE #stopboxpod…
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S8 Ep. 48: Jennifer Szalai and Alexandra Jacobs on Great American Road Trip Books
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49:25New York Times book critics Jennifer Szalai and Alexandra Jacobs join co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss their recent article, “Love Jack Kerouac? Read These Great American Road Trip Books Next,” which they co-authored with their fellow critic Dwight Garner, and which includes books published after Kerouac's On the Road. Th…
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Austin comedian Josh Francis embarks with us on a wild ride of topics. Keep your eyes closed and hands on the wheel, EVERYTHING is better with HOT SALT from https://firecracker.farmUse code milk to save 10% AND we will donate 10% this veterans day to Hunter Seven If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels e…
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S8 Ep. 47: Nicholas Boggs on James Baldwin’s Love Stories
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51:43Biographer Nicholas Boggs joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his groundbreaking new book, Baldwin: A Love Story, the first major biography of James Baldwin to be published in three decades. Boggs recalls how finding Baldwin’s only children’s book in a Yale library as a college student led him to track down the volume’…
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In this episode, the guys dive into a chaotic mix of history, gaming, and ridiculous inventions. From imagining F-35s in medieval England, to ordering full suits of armor online, to blasting chili down your throat with compressed air—this one goes completely off the rails After Show available right now on Patreon!https://www.patreon.com/c/TimeforPi…
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S8 Ep. 46: Will Bardenwerper on Baseball’s Betrayal of Its Minor League Roots
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44:41Journalist Will Bardenwerper joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new book, Homestand: Small Town Baseball and the Fight for the Soul of America, which explores the consequences of Major League Baseball cutting 40 affiliated minor league teams, each one only as expensive as an average Major League salary. He explain…
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The one and only Jason Ellis joins the boys for an hour of insanity. You might learn something though. https://patreon.com/TimeforPiePodcast HOT HORSE HOOF is still available and every time you use the code MILK 10% of sales help to screen for cancer on top of saving you money. https://shop.firecracker.farm/products/hot-horse-hoof Get $10 Off at BR…
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S8 Ep. 45: Barbara Kingsolver on Supporting Appalachian Women Recovering from Addiction
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57:28Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Barbara Kingsolver joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss her support of Higher Ground, a long-term residence for women recovering from addiction. Kingsolver talks about Lee County, Virginia, which is both Higher Ground’s location and the setting for her wildly successful novel Demon Copper…
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Pedro Pascal's weirdly touchy public appearances, GTA VI hype, haunted childhood trauma via Bloody Mary, and the horrifying origins of medical vibrators SPONSORS:HOT HORSE HOOF here and dont forget to use code: MILKhttps://shop.firecracker.farm/products/hot-horse-hoof Get firearm security redesigned and save 15% off @StopBoxUSA with code [PIE] at h…
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S8 Ep. 44: Vanity Fair’s Dan Adler on Jeffrey Epstein and What Ghislaine Maxwell Knows
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46:37Vanity Fair journalist Dan Adler joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his coverage of Ghislaine Maxwell, who was convicted in 2021 of facilitating Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual abuse of minors. Adler explains how Maxwell, who is currently serving a 20-year sentence and was just interviewed by the Department of Justice, has r…
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Caleb and traffic cops meet each other way too much. Is he being profiled or are these police officers just hoping to get a hug from the big guy. HOT HORSE HOOF is live and extremely limited! Grab it while you canhttps://shop.firecracker.farm/products/hot-horse-hoofIf you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels…
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S8 Ep. 43: Gary Shteyngart on Vera, or Faith and American Authoritarians
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40:24Acclaimed novelist Gary Shteyngart joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new novel, Vera, or Faith, which explores American identity, politics, and immigrant experiences in the near future through the eyes of the eponymous 10-year-old protagonist. Shteyngart talks about the novel’s speculative “Five-Three” amendment,…
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The Most Killed Men in Movies - Tait Fletcher and Keith Jardine
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1:02:33In this episode, we sit down with Tait Fletcher—Guinness Book world record holder for most movie deaths (not really) and actor/director/badass Keith Jardine to talk about the grind behind indie filmmaking, Caleb's survival comedy show ideas, and building creative empires with no studio help. After Show with Tate and Keith available today on Patreon…
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S8 Ep. 42: Ed Park on An Oral History of Atlantis
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52:57Pulitzer Prize finalist Ed Park joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his debut short story collection, An Oral History of Atlantis. Park talks about writing the stories in the book over a period of about 25 years, during which he was frequently asked to read in New York and crafted work for specific venues, audiences, a…
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Green Beret Meat Hammer - Valhalla VFT
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1:02:54We’re joined by Nate from @ValhallaVFT , he is of course unprepared for the insanity that is Time for Pie. Join us as we confuse him with a barrage of topics that would make any lesser men walk off the show.Patreon After Show now available!Join us for "Time for Drinks"https://www.patreon.com/TimeforPiePodcastSpice up any food and make everything ta…
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S8 Ep. 41: Raina Lipsitz on Mamdani, DSA, and the Rise of a New Left
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47:43Writer Raina Lipsitz joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss Zohran Mamdani’s surprise win in the Democratic primary for New York City mayor. Lipsitz explains how Mamdani, a 33-year-old Muslim politician supported by the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), appealed to a wide swath of voters to upset three-term governor…
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Terrible flesh lights, thousands in pokemon cards, ravioli world records and a worldwide search for our queen. Spice up any food and make everything taste better with Firecracker Farms Hot Salt. Code MILK saves you money AND 10% of all sales using the code will go to Hunter Seven Foundationhttps://firecracker.farm Get $10 Off @BRUNT with code PIE a…
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S8 Ep. 40: Dina Nayeri on Iranian Life Under Attack
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53:17Prize-winning Iranian American author Dina Nayeri joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the complicated reality of survival on the ground during Israel’s recent bombing of Iran. Nayeri talks about the destruction leveled on Ardestoon, where her father’s family lives; her memories of running for bomb shelters during the I…
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Bed Ravioli and Other Government Scams
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1:07:05What happens when a drunk snack turns into a full-blown culinary betrayal? In this chaos-filled episode, the crew dives into the infamous "bed ravioli" incident, debates if Air Marshals are even real, reviews awful movie sequels, discusses fighting zombies with monster dongs, and explores if being a hot girl for a day changes friendship dynamics fo…
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S8 Ep. 39: Ernesto Londoño on the Personal Cost of Minnesota’s Political Killings
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49:21New York Times reporter Ernesto Londoño joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the recent murder of Minnesota state representative Melissa Hortman, which has made headlines as local politicians in the U.S. are rarely targeted for assassination. Londoño describes how a gunman posing as law enforcement went to the homes of …
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How to Get Rich in Iraq and Die from Diarrhea: A Masterclass
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59:45In this episode, the boys dive headfirst into an absolutely unhinged rabbit hole of internet guru courses, Iraqi real estate schemes, ancient worms coming back to life, and the invention of something called “Ultimate Cancer.” Save with code MILK when you shop at https//:firecracker.farm Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to https://…
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S8 Ep. 38: Geoff Dyer on His New Memoir, Homework
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50:32Writer Geoff Dyer joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new memoir Homework, which covers Dyer’s working-class youth in England during the 1960s and ’70s. He recollects his early passion for reading and film and reflects on writing about his parents, as well as the intensity of childhood play and collecting in the wa…
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The Dumbest (BEST) Idea We Have Ever Had - Time For Pie #105
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1:01:18The boys discovered that they can make seasoning out of horses and need your help to make it real. Then we can finally afford a suit of armor for Caleb and maybe even find out why Jarred's eyes are always infected.go here to comment on Firecracker Farm's IG so they let us make Hot Horse Hoofs a reality: go here to comment on Firecracker Farm's IG s…
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S8 Ep. 37: Jess Walter on the American Family Unplugged
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45:08Fiction writer Jess Walter joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new novel So Far Gone, in which a former environmental reporter living off the grid is jolted back onto it by the surprise arrival of his two grandchildren and news of his missing daughter. Walter talks about developing the character of his protagonist’…
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Prison Dolls, Killstreaks and The Feline Legal System - Time for Pie #104
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1:01:48What do crane operators, prison dolls, and a cat judge have in common? Absolutely nothing—and yet they all show up in this unhinged episode. EVERYTHING tastes better with a lil HOT SALT and the best stuff on earth is from www.https:// firecracker.farm use code MILK to save Get firearm security redesigned and save 10% off @StopBoxUSA with code [PIE]…
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Acclaimed fiction writer Susan Choi joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss her new novel, Flashlight. Choi talks about the opening incident, in which a girl goes for a walk on the beach in Japan with her father only for him to disappear, presumably drowned. Choi explains the novel’s relationship to a short story she publi…
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$45 Million Truck Heist, McSPAM Burgers and Becoming Forklift Certified - Time for Pie #103
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1:00:35In this episode of the TFP Podcast, the boys dive into the weird, wild, and hilarious—from working armored truck jobs and dodging potential heists, to roasting modern fast food and debating which burgers slap the hardest.✅ Subscribe for more weekly chaosEVERYTHING tastes better with a lil HOT SALT and the best stuff on earth is from www.https:// fi…
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S8 Ep. 35: Paul Elie on Art, Faith, and Sex in 1980s America–and the New Pope
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48:17Nonfiction writer Paul Elie joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new book The Last Supper: Art, Faith, Sex, and Controversy in the 1980s and Pope Leo XIV. Elie compares the new pope to John Paul II, whose conservative views shaped the 1980s. He explains how and why ’80s artists like Andy Warhol, U2, and Bob Dylan pr…
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Heather Lynn VS Bears - Time for Pie #102
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1:03:59Jarred is a no show once again but we are starting to like Heather better anyways. Bears, periods, witch trials and a new adventure called Murder Mansion. Roo Roo Roo.EVERYTHING tastes better with HOT SALT from https://firecracker.farm use code MILK for savingsLet’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to https://Lucy.co/PIE and use promo c…
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S8 Ep. 34: Julia Elliott on Small-Town Voters and Trump’s Tariff Trap
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1:03:04Fiction writer Julia Elliott joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V Ganeshananthan to talk about why President Trump’s tariff policy appeals to voters in small towns in the Midwest and South, which have been economically devastated for the past couple of decades following the North American Free Trade Agreement. Elliott considers Democrats’ failure…
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Historic Torture Devices & Airplane Hero Fantasies - Time for Pie #101
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1:04:11What do pissing on AC units, fighting karate kids with swords, emergency landing commercial airliners, and medieval torture devices have in common? Absolutely nothing — and that’s exactly why this episode rules.If you hate boring food, spice it up with FIRECRACKER FARMSEVERYTHING tastes better with Hot Salt. https://firecracker.farm and use code MI…
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S8 Ep. 33: Mirza Waheed on India, Pakistan, and the Literature of Partition
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59:58Novelist and journalist Mirza Waheed joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V Ganeshananthan to talk about brewing tensions between two nuclear powers: India and Pakistan. Waheed, who was born in Kashmir and previously worked as a journalist, explains how the recent massacre of Indian tourists there at the hands of militants connects to a broader con…
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Episode One Hundred ft- Heather Lynn & Solomonica
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1:22:31We somehow made it to episode 100. Here's to another at least a dozen more! EVERYTHING is better with HOT SALT from https://firecracker.farmUse the code MILK to save some money while making your food taste good again
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S8 Ep. 32: Hamilton Nolan on DIY Opinion Writing
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48:09Writer Hamilton Nolan joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V Ganeshananthan to talk about opinion journalism. Nolan, who writes frequently about labor and politics, discusses how and why he entered journalism, the myth of objectivity, and how he views the relationship between activism and journalism. He explains how long it took for him to make mon…
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How to Beat Off 100 Men - Time for Pie #99
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1:03:28What do gorilla battle tactics, haunted campsites, explosive drone warfare, and proper butt-washing techniques have in common? This unhinged episode. Gonna need some milk for this one. EVERYTHING tastes better with HOT SALT ( dont put it on your girlfriend though)Save with code MILK when you shop at https//:firecracker.farm…
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