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The Ringer’s Bryan Curtis, David Shoemaker and Joel Anderson catch you up on the biggest media stories, from sports to politics and everything in between.
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Welcome to Astronomica, a science fiction OSR actual play podcast using the Stars Without Number RPG system. Join Star Master Stan and regular players Colin, Cullen, Geoff, and Kristen as they crew the definitely-not-piloted-by-a-rogue-AI ship The Admiral Grace. From encounters with magnificent space whales to battling intergalactic corporate scumbags, there is nothing this crew can't make way more complicated than it needs to be. Tag along every Wednesday and listen in as we learn that the ...
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Welcome to The Launch Box Podcast. Get to know plant-based kitchens from around the globe as Anjelli unpacks their bite-sized inspiring stories. Guaranteed spots for your next food experience! Host Bio: Anjelli Requintina is the founder of Nordic Café Holdings, which includes the Copenhagenbased Café Oha. With a passion for creating a positive impact in communities and the planet through green and sustainable foods, Anjelli’s podcast is her third space in which plant-based kitchens can come ...
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The God Journey is designed to facilitate an ever-expanding conversation with those who are thinking outside the box of organized religion. Our primary desire is to encourage people on their spiritual journey by sharing our own and by providing insightful commentary on what it means to grow in a relationship with God. We'll discuss the realities of other people's journeys, cultural trends, current events, and the Scriptures as well as fielding questions related to the challenging issues of l ...
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The God Journey is designed to facilitate an ever-expanding conversation with those who are thinking outside the box of organized religion. Our primary desire is to encourage people on their spiritual journey by sharing our own and by providing insightful commentary on what it means to grow in a relationship with God. We’ll discuss the realities of other people’s journeys, cultural trends, current events, and the Scriptures as well as fielding questions related to the challenging issues of l ...
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The God Journey is designed to facilitate an ever-expanding conversation with those who are thinking outside the box of organized religion. Our primary desire is to encourage people on their spiritual journey by sharing our own and by providing insightful commentary on what it means to grow in a relationship with God. We’ll discuss the realities of other people’s journeys, cultural trends, current events, and the Scriptures as well as fielding questions related to the challenging issues of l ...
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The director’s commentary track for Daring Fireball. Long digressions on Apple, technology, design, movies, and more.
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Earth’s shattered future. Humanity’s natural resources have been exhausted. When our planet is devastated by an atomic cataclysm, a new life emerges for a cross-section of humanity within the walls of a towering megastructure known as Tier City. A self-appointed governing body of world-leaders, called The Universal Council, control this New Earth. Tier City residents are force-fed Network propaganda by an influencer known only as The Preacher. Rachel is a young drone delivery pilot with ambi ...
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437: ‘A Naughty Citizen’, With Quinn Nelson
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2:28:52Special guest Quinn Nelson returns for a two-topic holiday spectacular: the iPad in the wake of iPadOS 26, and Apple's executive changes as Tim Cook seemingly nears the end of his time as CEO. Sponsored by: Notion: The AI workspace where teams and AI agents get more done together. Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain…
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The People Who Shaped the Media in 2025
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1:47:51Hello, media consumers! Today’s episode is a special year-end edition of The Press Box where Bryan is joined not only by David but by Joel as well! Bryan, David, and Joel come together to discuss the 12 people who shaped the media in 2025, in no particular order. The show starts out with Joel and David meeting each other for the first time, followe…
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More Susie Wiles Fallout, YouTube and the Oscars, and Another Round of Jolabokaflod
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56:56Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel come together today to celebrate Jolabokaflod! They open their Jolabokaflod gifts for each other before discussing President Donald Trump’s intense TV speech from last night (09:01). Next, Joel gets a chance to share his thoughts on Vanity Fair’s big new feature on Trump’s chief of staff, Susie Wiles (16:11). …
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Let's be real, this episode is a lot of goofs. Just silly guys doin' silly guy stuff. And then the crew of the Irish Goodbye contends with something they've never yet faced: a spike jump that's actually difficult. You absolutely do NOT want to miss this one! Cast List Stardaddy: Stan Grace/Hopper: Geoff Commodore Macdonald --burn: Colin Dr. Hildega…
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Trump’s Chief of Staff Speaks, Reporting on Rob Reiner’s Killing, and a Jolabokaflod Book Exchange
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1:05:15Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David come together today to celebrate Jolabokaflod! The show opens with David opening his gifts from Bryan before they dive into their thoughts on Vanity Fair’s big new feature on Trump’s chief of staff, Susie Wiles (13:03). Next, the guys listen to some of this past weekend's football audio, with a touch of some …
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Trump and CNN’s Fate, Another Telos-Novela, and the New Diddy Documentary
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1:13:04Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel start the show by discussing the future of CNN, including President Trump’s possible involvement in its sale, the assurances David Ellison reportedly made to Trump if he bought it, and what an Ellison-owned CNN would look like (01:10). Next, the guys talk about the Laura Rutledge—Justin Herbert post-game situa…
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Team Meatbag finishes up their talk with Terseray (aka bird person) before heading off to a brand new system. Cast List Stardaddy: Stan Grace/Hopper: Geoff Commodore Macdonald --burn: Colin Dr. Hildegarde Hypatia Cade (Hilde)/ C. B. : Kristen Augustus Novus (Auggie): Chris If you enjoy the mildly unhinged antics of Stardaddy and his band of merry m…
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CNN’s Fate, Trump’s Naughty List, Being Mad at the College Football Playoff, and Only in (Podcast) Journalism
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59:01Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David start the show by discussing Olivia Nuzzi and Vanity Fair parting ways as her contract ends, what this means for Ryan Lizza’s Substack, and whether Nuzzi will ever get another mainstream media job. Next, the guys dive into the Warner Brothers–Netflix–Paramount situation by breaking down the possible outcomes …
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The American Canto Book Club, ESPN and Lane Kiffin, and Covering the NFL During the Holidays
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1:21:24Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel start the show with their thoughts on Olivia Nuzzi’s newly released book, 'American Canto,' including what they did and did not like about it. Bryan gives a short summary of the book before asking Joel questions not only about 'American Canto', but about what the future holds for Nuzzi now that the book is out…
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It's the start of a new arc and that means we've got some changes to make around here! Auggie and Hilde engage in some banking while Mackie preps for an important speech. Later, the crew finally talks to their very first non-Terran sentient that isn't trying to kill them or working for an evil space billionaire. Cast List Stardaddy: Stan Grace/Hopp…
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The December Issue: Can The New Yorker Survive Another Century?
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1:52:29Hello, media consumers! Welcome to the first in a monthly series of special episodes in which we take an in-depth look at a single subject and then interview a guest to help us understand that subject. This month’s subject is The New Yorker magazine and our guest is its editor, David Remnick. This month’s issue kicks off with a discussion between B…
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436: ‘Financial Boner’, With Tyler Hayes
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1:35:52Special guest: Tyler Hayes. Topics include how to get a small phone today, which way foldables should fold, the state of Apple TV (including its new “sonic logo”), and some holiday gift gadget recommendations. Sponsored by: Clic for Sonos: No lag. No hassle. Just Clic. Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code …
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Chatstronomica 8: The Re-Chattening
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1:47:12You know the drill, it's chattin' time, baby. If you enjoy the mildly unhinged antics of Stardaddy and his band of merry madpersons, be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. New episodes hit the feed at midnight Tennessee time every Wednesday. Want even more from Team Meatbag? Check us out online at www.astronomicapodcast.com. Here y…
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Bob Costas Remembers ... the Great NFL Pregame Wars
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53:56Hello, media consumers! Bryan is joined today by broadcasting legend Bob Costas to discuss the great NFL pregame wars of the 1980s and 1990s. They dive into everything, starting with him becoming the host of NBC’s pregame show in 1984. Next, they discuss Bob’s competition before turning to what made NBC’s show special (07:42). They continue by goin…
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New News About Nuzzi, and Mamdani Goes to Washington. Plus: Susan Orlean on Breaking Into The New Yorker, Working for Tina Brown, and More.
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1:20:13Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David discuss Bryan’s newest Texas barbecue adventure before diving into the most recent news in the ever-evolving Olivia Nuzzi saga, including their thoughts on Ryan Lizza’s second Substack piece and whether this story has reached the point of “feeling like you know too much” (09:49). Next, the guys dive into ever…
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435: ‘Lincoln Bio Services’, With Stephen Robles
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1:18:41Special guest Stephen Robles joins the show. Topics include indie media and YouTube, Shortcuts and automation, and the state of podcasting. Sponsored by: Uncommon Goods: Out of the ordinary gifts, great for the holidays. Save 15% off your next purchase after following that link. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good. Links: Stephen goes ind…
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Trump’s “Piggy” Attack, MLB’s TV Deal, and Joel’s Nuzzi Take. Plus: Mamdani Advisor Zara Rahim
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1:27:07Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel discuss President Trump's recent interactions with the media, including his “piggy” comment, his meeting in the Oval Office with Mohammed bin Salman, and his comments on the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Next, the guys parse through MLB’s new media rights deal with NBC, ESPN, and Netflix (18:32). Later,…
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#42.NETFLIX FRANKENSTEIN THOUGHTS & MOVIE UPDATES
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This week we check in on Team Meatback as they open up some extra special goodies from Stardaddy. Mackie gets himself a brand new cigar box, Auggie maintains his well-earned caution, and Hopper and Hilde rush to claim dibs on their favorite weird specimens. Also CB is present! Cast List Stardaddy: Stan Grace/Hopper: Geoff Commodore Macdonald --burn…
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Olivia Nuzzi, Ryan Lizza, and the Frenzied Rollout of 'American Canto'
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1:12:58Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David dive into everything Olivia Nuzzi, starting with Jacob Bernstein’s New York Times piece, including what was said in his profile of Nuzzi and whether this is the right kind of profile for her. Next, they discuss the excerpt of Nuzzi’s book, 'American Canto,' released in Vanity Fair and whether the writing in t…
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434: ‘Knee-Jerk Contrarian’, With Dan Frommer
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1:54:02Special guest Dan Frommer returns to the show. Topics include the indie media business, the iPhone Pocket, the iPhone Air (including rumors about the second generation model), AI “personalities”, and five years of Apple Silicon Macs. Also, six years of Dan’s site, The New Consumer. Sponsored by: Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your f…
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The New Epstein Emails, Pat McAfee and Donald Trump, and the Nico Harrison 'Now They Tell Us.' Plus: NBC’s Cris Collinsworth.
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1:37:24Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel discuss what is in the newly released Jeffrey Epstein emails, how this information paints journalism, and the Michael Wolff of it all. Next, Bryan and Joel analyze President Trump’s appearance on The Pat McAfee Show, including how the show received him, the topics they covered, and how this interview reflects …
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Kristen's dog got her wish for all the people to stay home which means her household is just riddled with Covid. Consequently, please enjoy this short announcement about our holiday clip show! Send us a message through this weird thing that didn't exist before but exists now. Support the show
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MSNBC’s Rebrand, ESPN’s Solitaire Scandal, and James Talarico’s Friends. Plus: The Atlantic’s Charlie Warzel
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1:11:54Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David discuss Texas Senate hopeful James Talarico’s social media scandal and how the public reaction to this type of news has changed over time. Next, Bryan and David dive into MSNBC’s rebrand as MSNOW and how effective the rebrand rollout has been (10:18). Then, Bryan and David talk about the ESPN Solitaire debacl…
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The Democrats’ Big Night and ESPN’s New Bookie. Plus: Booger McFarland on Alabama-LSU, Playing Dirty, and More.
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1:21:52Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel discuss everything coming out of election night, including how the big news stations covered it, where Steve Kornacki has gone, how conservatives are coping, and the New York Post’s Mamdani headline. Next, Bryan and Joel dive into ESPN and DraftKings’ new partnership and ESPN Bet being no more (21:47), before …
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Ep 243: Every Box Crazy Bout a Skin Suit Man
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1:10:27With the horror of the Fireside Chat's final days fully explored, Team Meatbag plunges ahead into the captain's probably not scary at all quarters. Mackie finds an adorable box that happens to be the exact piece of cargo the crew was hired to recover. Meanwhile, Coupons continues his quest to make Auggie happy again, and Hilde gets excited about an…
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Last-Minute Election Stories, Trump Goes on ‘60 Minutes,’ and (Another) White House Reporter Caper
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1:10:54Hello, media consumers! Bryan and a returning David discuss Dick Cheney’s death by reviewing his relationship to the press (12:20), before diving into last-minute election stories covering the final days of Zohran Mamdani’s campaign, California's Prop 50, and a fake Bill de Blasio (33:10). Next, Bryan and David talk about everything that came out o…
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#41.WELCOME TO DERRY & BRIGHT BURN THOUGHTS
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433: ‘Meat Bags’, With Brian Mueller
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1:27:40Special guest Brian Mueller, developer of Carrot Weather, joins the show to commemorate the 10th anniversary of his utterly ridiculous but totally serious weather app. Sponsored by: Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow. Uncommon Goods: Out of the ordinary gifts. Get 15% off your next purchase. Tra…
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CBS’s Halloween "Bloodbath" and Michael Jordan as the NBA's Ombudsman. Plus: Vox’s Astead Herndon on Leaving The New York Times and the Future of the Democrats.
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1:35:32Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel discuss the layoffs at CBS News (0:51) before diving into their thoughts on Michael Jordan’s two appearances on NBC thus far (14:05), the NBA's relationship to storytelling, and what they want from these MJ appearances. Next, Bryan and Joel educate the listeners on Jennifer Welch (28:41), including where she o…
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So you know how sometimes you find a space wreck and people lived on it for a lot longer than you'd think was possible and also it's kind of a tragedy and kind of, uh, soupy? Well, I can promise you that this one didn't have any soup left. Anyways, definitely don't get stranded in space with nothing to eat but your fellow crew members. That's just …
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ESPN’s Gamble, CBS and John Dickerson, and Graham Platner’s Reddit Posts
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1:13:38Hello, media consumers! Bryan is joined by Joel out of the bullpen to dig through everything that has come out of the NBA’s gambling scandal (0:40) before they share their thoughts on how ESPN handled the coverage of that news, who at the worldwide leader should be covering these stories, which former ESPN employees would have covered this in the p…
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#40 THE FACULTY OUR THOUGHTS & MOVIE UPDATES
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432: ‘You and Frank Sinatra’, With Dan Moren
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2:08:39Dan Moren returns to the show. Topics include Atlas, ChatGPT's new web browser (or anti-web browser) for the Mac; Apple's loss in a "landmark" regulatory lawsuit in the UK regarding App Store commission rates; multiple reports of poor sales for the iPhone Air; and Apple's M5 product announcements: MacBook Pro, iPads Pro, and Vision Pro. Sponsored b…
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How Zohran Mamdani Won the Hearts and Minds of the Media (and New York City)
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1:00:15Bryan and Joel are together in the studio to discuss Zohran Mamdani in the 17th edition of their 25 for 25 series (2:00). They discuss Mamdani as a political phenomenon (6:12), a media phenomenon (21:03), and someone who is signaling generation change (25:55). Later they welcome Eric Lach of The New Yorker, who profiled Mamdani for the magazine. La…
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Ep 241: The Wreck of the Fireside Chat
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1:16:02You can't be space pirates without going treasure hunting in the remains of mysterious ship wrecks from times gone by, and you can't go treasure hunting without first figuring out where exactly those mysterious ship wrecks might be located. If you enjoy the mildly unhinged antics of Stardaddy and his band of merry madpersons, be sure to subscribe o…
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An NBA TV Mega-Preview, Good News About The Washington Post, and Your Favorite NFL Clichés
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57:47An NBA TV Mega-Preview, Good News About The Washington Post, and Your Favorite NFL Clichés Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David are back to discuss the worst response issued by the White House to a reporter's question, some good news about The Washington Post, and issues at Indiana University’s student newspaper (00:35). The two then dig into th…
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Zohran Mamdani Goes on Fox News, the Great Pentagon Walkout, and Awkward NFL Coach Audio
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1:07:04Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel discuss the almost entirely unanimous media walkout at the Pentagon after new rules and guidelines were presented to reporters (0:48); Olivia Nuzzi's return, which will now include a book deal (19:52); and Zohran Mamdani's interview with Fox News' Martha MacCallum (26:22). Then they discuss some awkward NFL he…
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It's time for the explosive conclusion of Space Patrol! (Also Colin's mic is better) If you enjoy the mildly unhinged antics of Stardaddy and his band of merry madpersons, be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. New episodes hit the feed at midnight Tennessee time every Wednesday. Want even more from Team Meatbag? Check us out onlin…
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Bari Weiss’s Memo, Marc Maron’s Goodbye, and College Football’s Most Interesting Coach
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57:18Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David are back to discuss Bari Weiss’s memo to her new employees and whether it is threatening. Then they talk about Marc Maron’s farewell podcast with Barack Obama. The two discuss Obama’s social media reluctance and why he isn’t he speaking out more (00:21). They also play the football audio of the week: Indiana …
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Jen Psaki on the Democrats and the Future of MSNBC. Plus, Paul Finebaum vs. ESPN and the End of LeBron’s Media Headlock
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1:31:37Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel cover LeBron’s “big” news, Paul Finebaum a week after his OutKick interview, yet another Bill Belichick story out of UNC, and a bizarre Katie Porter interview (0:45). Then Joel and Bryan talk with MSNBC's Jen Psaki about the Democratic Party, how politicians can effectively communicate their message, modernizi…
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Bari Weiss’s First Day at CBS, Reporting on Mark Sanchez, and the GOAT-dom of Chris Berman
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#39.THE THING 1&2 MOVIE REVIEW & UPDATES
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The Ezra Klein and Ta-Nehisi Coates Showdown, Floating Paul Finebaum for Senate, and the Meaning of Kamala’s Book Sales
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1:20:53Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel take a deep dive into the spirited discussion between Ezra Klein and Ta-Nehisi Coates centered on their disagreements about Charlie Kirk and some of his eulogists (1:27). Then they discuss the unexpected news that ESPN's Paul Finebaum is considering running as a Republican senator for Alabama, the numbers for …
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A 25 for 25 Double Feature: Dean Jelani Cobb on the Future of J-School. Plus, Spencer Hall on “Weird Internet.”
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1:47:24Hello, media consumers! Bryan and Joel preview today’s double-feature episode (0:45), before Joel is joined by Columbia Journalism School dean Jelani Cobb to discuss the future of journalism education (7:44). Then, Bryan and Joel have a quick interview postgame (47:42) before introducing Joel’s conversation with writer Spencer Hall on how his remar…
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Chris missed Nerd Camp this year but he still came prepared with the next installment of Space Patrol. Time to check back in with the elder Novus brother and his band of nominal professionals back in the Arcturus System. Plus, we have a very special returning guest! If you enjoy the mildly unhinged antics of Stardaddy and his band of merry madperso…
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431: ‘Iconic Pig Lipstick’, With John Moltz
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1:13:04John Moltz returns to the show to talk about the iPhone 17 lineup: the iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max, iPhone 17, and the no-number iPhone Air. Not one word about baseball, but some Star Wars talk may or may not have snuck in. Sponsored by: Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow. Sentry: A real-time erro…
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#38.EVIL DEAD 2 (1987) REVIEW & MOVIE TOPICS
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A Report From the Cowboys-Packers Tie, the Rise of the Bernie Bio, and Barbecue Notes From Texas
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54:38Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David are back to discuss Bryan’s quick trip to Dallas for the Micah Parsons return game. He lets you in on the dirty secret of football reporting, gets into the differences between the Micah trade and the Luka Doncic trade, and gives some barbecue reviews (00:24). Then they share some football audio from the weeke…
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