Best Backoffice Podcasts (2025)

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OG Mailbag: Why did SEC commish backoff CFP auto bids? | Do Florida tax laws give teams unfair advantage? 24:41

12h ago24:41

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In the May 30th edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio run through several questions submitted by OG Fans subscribers. Why did SEC commish Greg Sankey suddenly backoff wanting College Football Playoff automatic qualifiers? What does the SEC really want out of the CFP? Does Sankey actually hate the ACC? Why the College World Series is a ran…

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What's next for the Carolina Hurricanes? | Handshake drama between Maurice & Brind'Amour explained | RIP NC State vs. UNC hoops matchups | OG391 1:18:52

1d ago1:18:52

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. What's next for the Carolina Hurricanes after the Florida Panthers knocked them out of the Stanley Cup Playoffs? And now that everyone has been able to sleep on it, what is the best way to look at the 2024-2025 season? Plus! That awkward handshake between Paul Maurice and Rod B…

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Florida Panthers Eliminate Carolina Hurricanes from Stanley Cup Playoffs | OG After Dark 1:33:26

2d ago1:33:26

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The Florida Panthers are headed to the 2025 Stanley Cup Finals after rallying to clinch the series over the Carolina Hurricanes in Game 5. Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are joined by N&O columnist Luke DeCock and play-by-play voice Mike Maniscalco inside Lenovo Center to discuss all the key moments from what turned out to be closing time for the Canes. …

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SEC "Reality Distortion Field" will destroy college football | Today in Bill Belichick | UNC Heath Championship | OG390 1:31:09

2d ago1:31:09

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are at the UNC Health Championship at Raleigh Country Club and have a lot to get into today -- because they've spent most of the week focused on the Carolina Hurricanes. They start things off with SEC commish Greg Sankey saying the college football world is too wrapped up in the idea of "not losing" instead of more importan…

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May Mailbag Q&A: Casino Green Flags, Reporting Winnings, Chip Inventory | BJA157 47:19

2d ago47:19

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Joe748 and SD1 are back to answer community questions from the Blackjack Apprenticeship forum, YouTube, Spotify, and beyond. They cover everything from taking advantage of favorable casino situations, playing conditions in Reno and Vegas, and chip inventory strategies, to evading backoffs and reporting gambling income.…

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Carolina Hurricanes stave off elimination! Shutout over Florida Panthers forces Game 5 | OG After Dark 1:02:08

4d ago1:02:08

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Carolina Hurricanes vs. Florida Panthers – Game 4 Breakdown | Stanley Cup Playoffs Eastern Conference Finals | OG After Dark The Carolina Hurricanes stave off elimination with a clutch shutout win over the Florida Panthers in Game 4. While Logan Stankoven once against had a monster game for the Canes, veterans like Sebastian Aho and Jaccob Slavin s…

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Hurricanes on brink of elimination after Panthers score 5 goals in 3rd period | OG After Dark 1:11:00

6d ago1:11:00

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are joined by N&O columnist Luke DeCock and play-by-play Mike Maniscalco to discuss a brutal Game 3 for the Carolina Hurricanes, who saw a 1-1 game implode after the Florida Panthers scored 5 goals in the 3rd period. The Canes are now on the brink of elimination from Eastern Conference Finals, while the Panthers are 1 game …

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OG Mailbag: Is Rod Brind'Amour getting a pass for ECF failures? | Will Wade getting it done? | CFP changes hurt ACC? 38:48

7d ago38:48

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In the May 23rd edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio run through several questions submitted by OG Fans subscribers. -- Is it time for Rod Brind'Amour to go? -- Why are NC State coaches invoked when talking about Rod? -- Canes picked a bad time to be good? -- Will CFP changes hurt the ACC? -- NC State & Duke winning hoops offseason over …

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Panthers Downgrade Carolina Hurricanes to Tropical Depression in Stanley Cup Playoffs Beatdown | OG After Dark 1:20:43

8d ago1:20:43

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After falling 0-2 to the Florida Panthers in the Eastern Conference Finals, things are looking grim in Raleigh. Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are joined by N&O columnist Luke DeCock and play-by-play voice Mike Maniscalco to break down how everything has gone wrong for the Canes and how the Panthers are dominating this series. OG After Dark is brought to…

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Are the Carolina Hurricanes already cooked, fam? | Triangle hoops check-in with Jeff Goodman | OG Lite now in cans | OG389 1:09:13

8d ago1:09:13

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. First up? The Stanley Cup Playoffs. Are the Canes cooked, fam? Or is everyone overreacting to their Game 1 loss to the Florida Panthers? Former NC State basketball player Alex Nunnaly joined the show to discuss the doomer fan mentality shared by Caniacs and Wolfpack fans. @TheF…

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AP Life Skills: Maximizing Your Edge With Credit Card Rewards | BJA156 1:02:00

9d ago1:02:00

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Greg and Nick from Frequent Miler join Joe748 and SD1 to reveal how everyday spending APs already do can also pay for travel, hotels, and more. They break down how to start earning credit card points, avoid rookie mistakes, and use airline transfer partners for outsized value—like flying Delta for a fraction of the cost. They dig into the parallels…

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Florida Panthers stun Carolina Hurricanes in Game 1, flip home ice in Eastern Conference Finals | OG After Dark 1:09:11

10d ago1:09:11

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😬 Florida Panthers Take Game 1 Over Carolina Hurricanes | 2025 Eastern Conference Finals OG After Dark 😬 Is this really going to happen again to the Carolina Hurricanes? The Florida Panthers took advantage of special teams and Canes missteps to stun Lenovo Center with a 5-2 victory in Game 1. Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are joined by N&O columnist Luk…

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Sara Civian on Canes vs. Panthers in Eastern Conference Finals | Maurice has come a long way | NFL 'Hope SZN' | OG Sports Phone | OG388 1:26:52

11d ago1:26:52

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The Stanley Cup Eastern Conference Finals are finally here! Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio open things up with an interesting twist on those Vegas odds, pushing back on the sudden retcon of how people have been talking about the Carolina Hurricanes, and more. Sara Civian jumped on to talk about how the Florida Panthers are a different sort of problem the…

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Are the Carolina Hurricanes truly "boring"? | ACC Baseball Tournament primer | OG387 1:24:35

12d ago1:24:35

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio open the podcast discussing the Carolina Hurricanes knowing their next Stanley Cup Playoffs opponent -- the Florida Panthers. Because of course it was going to be the Panthers. While there are pros and cons to seeing Paul Maurice's squad again in the Eastern Conference Finals, the best way to look at this run is similar to …

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OG Mailbag: Is the NBA truly rigged? | PGA Championship majors exchange rate | Coverage of the Canes 29:02

14d ago29:02

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In the May 16th edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio run through several questions submitted by OG Fans subscribers. Maybe the NBA is rigged? Why does the NBA hate the Hornets? Why is the PGA Championship the Ringo of majors? Coverage of the Canes NC high school officiating woes Andor ...and more!…

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🚨 Carolina Hurricanes knock out Washington Capitals, advance to Eastern Conference Finals | OG After Dark 49:48

15d ago49:48

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🚨 Series Over! The Carolina Hurricanes eliminate the Washington Capitals and advance to the Eastern Conference Finals! 🏆🔥 Catch the full Game 5 recap and what's next for Carolina as they chase the Stanley Cup. Sports Podcast Festival Tickets: https://therialto.com/event/the-2nd-annual-sports-podcast-festival/the-rialto-theatre/ Sign up for exclusiv…

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Can Hurricanes wrap Capitals in Game 5? | ACC fighting for College Football Playoff future | Y'all can't get enough Belichick talk | OG386 1:21:43

15d ago1:21:43

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. First up? The Stanley Cup Playoffs. The Toronto Maple Leafs are going Full Leafs. Never go Full Leafs. Why couldn't they wait to do this in the Conference Finals vs. the Carolina Hurricanes? That's assuming the Canes don't blow a 3-1 series lead to the Washington Capitals. The …

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Belichick reboots UNC's offseason talk | NC's looming high school officiating crisis | OG Sports Phone on Canes | OG385 1:27:25

17d ago1:27:25

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Joe Giglio is feeling it after seeing Pearl Jam at Lenovo Center. After recapping what he can remember, the guys get into Bill Belichick rebooting UNC's offseason talk away from all things Jordon Hudson and focused on actual football. Then again, what exactly does he know about the team he's putting together? Steve Schwartz, longtime North Carolina…

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[Rebroadcast] Interview with Veteran Blackjack Apprentice ‘ambj21’ | BJA053 55:42

16d ago55:42

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The week we're revisiting an episode from 2019 with multiple six-figure card counter "ambj21" We discuss: – Losing 80% of your bankroll – Playing as an investment vs playing for survival – Balancing Advantage Play while raising a family – Putting your money where your values areBy Blackjack Apprenticeship

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Can Carolina Hurricanes change national narrative? | Matt Norlander on Flagg, Triangle portal, and Pearl Jam | Sports Pod Fest details | OG384 1:35:26

18d ago1:35:26

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off with the Carolina Hurricanes. Now that they have a commanding 3-1 Stanley Cup Playoffs series lead on the Washington Capitals, can the Canes change the tired narratives that have dogged them since the Mikko Rantanen trade? CBS Sports college basketball insider Matt Norlander joins the podcast to discuss Coo…

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Pablo Torre on Belichick, Hudson & UNC power dynamics | Did the Hurricanes break the Capitals? | OG383 1:21:12

19d ago1:21:12

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Before Pablo Torre joined the podcast to help Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio "find out" about the power dynamics playing out in realtime between Bill Belichick, Jordon Hudson and top North Carolina brass, there's plenty to get into regarding Stanley Cup Playoffs. The Carolina Hurricanes dominated the Washington Capitals again, with the final score reflec…

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Was Jordon Hudson banned from UNC's football facility? | Canes vs. Capitals Game 2 reaction | OG Mailbag 40:05

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In the May 9th edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio address the latest kerfuffle involving North Carolina head football coach Bill Belichick's girlfriend Jordon Hudson. Podcast host Pablo Torre released an episode detailing the relationship, claiming Hudson had been banned from the football facility by UNC. The school denied the claim th…

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How new ACC basketball schedule will affect the Triangle | Keys for Canes in Game 2 vs. Capitals | Big East Pope | OG382 1:17:45

22d ago1:17:45

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. First up? The ACC made their conference basketball schedule change that'll put generational rivalries like NC State and North Carolina into a "situationship". Will going to 18 games from 20 actually accomplish greatness for the ACC? Speaking of the Wolfpack, more signs they're …

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Canes outlast Capitals in OT, break PK Subban & ESPN | Can creative scheduling save ACC? | How Lenovo Center will handle 5 events in 5 nights | OG381 1:25:41

24d ago1:25:41

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio pounded some coffee following another late night of Stanley Cup Playoff hockey. The Carolina Hurricanes outlasted the Washington Capitals to take home ice advantage thanks to Jaccob Slavin's winner. Buckle up, because the rest of the series is likely to play out in similar fashion the rest of the way. Plus! What's up with t…

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BPWannaBe’s Journey: From Slot Machine Designer to Six-Figure Card Counter | BJA155 54:56

23d ago54:56

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In today's episode, Joe748 and SD1 sit down with BPWannaBe, a part-time card counter who's earnings are in multiple six figures while juggling a full-time job and family commitments. He shares the ups and downs of his journey—from learning about card counting while playing poker full-time, early setbacks and massive downswings, to climbing out of a…

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Brind'Amour talks Canes vs. Caps, Aho on being a new dad | UNC's Lombardi has thoughts on Carolina blue | Lightning Round | OG380 1:27:09

25d ago1:27:09

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After Joe Giglio airs out some frustrations with rejected FOIA requests, he and Joe Ovies get ready for the start of the Carolina Hurricanes vs. Washington Capitals Stanley Cup Playoffs series. The guys caught up with head coach Rod Brind'Amour, new dad Sebastian Aho, and Mark Jankowski. "Today In Belichick" features UNC GM Mike Lombardi's thoughts…

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Sara Civian on Canes vs. Caps, running it back with Freddie Andersen | Today in Bill Belichick | Lightning Round | OG379 1:21:57

26d ago1:21:57

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"Why don't they make the whole podcast out of Lightning Round!?" Well, that's how Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off, including a very radio-y attempt to tie together the insane Western Conference side of the Stanley Cup Playoffs with Carolina Hurricanes connections. The focus shifts to the Canes with Sara Civian. What will the series agains…

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OG Mailbag: Has Jordon Hudson already derailed Belichick era at UNC? | Nikishin Canes fan fiction | Pod turns 2 38:58

28d ago38:58

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In the May 2nd edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio run through several questions submitted by OG Fans subscribers. Will UNC cut bait on Belichick? When does Belichick go from humorous to sad? Does Bubba Cunningham take the Michigan State job? Does Jordon Hudson warrant this much coverage? Life priorities vs. Canes playoff games Nikishin…

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When will the Hurricanes vs Capitals Stanley Cup Playoff series start? | What a week for sports dads! | Sports Pod Fest announcement | OG378 1:28:21

29d ago1:28:21

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. First up? The Carolina Hurricanes know their next Stanley Cup Playoffs opponent -- Washington. So when will the Canes and Capitals start their series? The guys have some educated guesses. Speaking of dates and times, the Sports Podcast Festival at The Rialto is BACK! Find out w…

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Aho & Svech called game, potentially unlocked another level in postseason | 100 men vs. 1 gorilla | NFL still calls the shots | OG377 1:29:01

1M ago1:29:01

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The Carolina Hurricanes advanced in the Stanley Cup Playoffs after knocking out the New Jersey Devils in double-overtime. Big reason why? The Canes best players continue to be their best players. Now they have to keep it going. N&O columnist Luke DeCock drops by to discuss how they won and what they need to do in their next series. Meanwhile, there…

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ACC can't math way out of hoops problems | Jordon Hudson is the main character in Belichick story | What's up with UNC's hoops budget? | Beefing with Rashad McCants | OG376 1:43:19

1M ago1:43:19

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"Why don't they make the whole podcast out of Lightning Round!?" Well, that's what Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio attempted to do and ended up offering extending takes on a variety of topics to start the show. First up? The ACC wants to alter their basketball conference schedule in order to bolster their NCAA Tournament numbers. Meanwhile, in Chapel Hill…

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Canes best players finally their best players | What to make of Belichick's bizarre CBS Sunday Morning interview | Grading Panther NFL Draft | OG375 1:31:16

1M ago1:31:16

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off recapping with the Carolina Hurricanes, who put the New Jersey Devils in "stave mode" on Sunday afternoon. How should Rod Brind'Amour handle Freddie Andersen? And was this the game that finally got the Canes best players to look like their best players? Meanwhile, in Belichick Land, the North Carolina head …

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OG Mailbag: Did the Carolina Panthers get it right with Arizona WR Tetairoa McMillan? | Where is the Wade "reckoning"? | Giglio turns 50 43:59

1M ago43:59

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In the April. 25th edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio run through several questions submitted by OG Fans subscribers. Panthers get it right with Nalo at WR? Surprised Sanders didn't get drafted? Giglio turns 50 Where is Will Wade's "reckoning" in the portal? Why is it pain in the ass to watch sports now? ...and more!…

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2025 NFL Draft lacks sizzle, but has value | Raleigh vs. Charlotte rivalry is played out | "Andor" takes | OG374 1:23:32

1M ago1:23:32

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Joe Ovies and Demetri Ravanos, filling in for Joe Giglio, are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. First up? It's finally NFL Draft day. While this year's edition lacks sizzle, that doesn't mean there isn't value. Meanwhile, the Carolina Panthers refuse to make things easy for fans and how they're handling training camp is just the latest exa…

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How the Hurricanes should handle Frederik Andersen playoff workload | Carolina Panthers set on offense? | What makes a "blue blood" | OG373 1:23:29

1M ago1:23:29

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off recapping the Carolina Hurricanes 3-1 win over the New Jersey Devils. How should the Canes handle Freddie Andersen's workload throughout the Stanley Cup Playoffs? Bill Belichick had himself a day on Tuesday. After announcing North Carolina will see TCU in Ireland in 2026, he took in some hockey at Lenovo Ce…

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April Mailbag Q&A: Etiquette, Camouflage Techniques, Backoff Nuances | BJA154 42:10

1M ago42:10

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In today's mailbag Joe748 and SD1 answer more questions from the BJA forum, Youtube and socials. They cover the use of betting camouflage techniques, the risks and strategies of using someone else’s player card, and the etiquette of dealing with other card counters at the table. Additionally, they share insights from their personal experiences at b…

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Carolina Panthers NFL Draft wants & needs | Who the Canes can & can't beat in playoffs | Triangle hoops roster moves | OG372 1:27:28

1M ago1:27:28

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off with a galaxy brain take they saw regarding Cooper Flagg leaving Duke for the NBA before getting into Ian Jackson transferring to St. John's and the thought process behind Ven-Allen Lubin entering the transfer portal while leaving the door open for a UNC return. Charlotte Observer's Mike Kaye joins the podc…

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Time to readjust Stanley Cup expectations for the Canes | NFL Draft primer | Betting on the potential new Pope | OG371 1:21:27

1M ago1:21:27

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off with the passing of Pope Francis, who died at the age of 88. Turns out the Romans were big on making wagers related to the papacy. And if you think about it, the papal conclave isn't all that different than a college coaching search. Speaking of betting odds, all signs point to the Carolina Hurricanes getti…

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OG Mailbag: Billboard chart rabbit holes, overrating Final Fours, NIL budgets, Darth Maul, and more 30:16

1M ago30:16

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In the April. 18th edition of OG Mailbag, Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio run through several questions submitted by OG Fans subscribers. Billboard chart rabbit holes Is Brind'Amour the true successor to Coach K? Lenovo Center upgrade timeline updates? Are Final Fours overrated? What is Duke's actual payroll? Y'all really gonna talk Belichick every day? U…

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Is UNC going cheap in the football portal? | Carolina Hurricanes playoff schedule set | OG370 1:29:16

1M ago1:29:16

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio are back for another Butcher's Market OG Live. It's been a busy week for Bill Belichick. The UNC football coach wrapped spring with "Practice Like A Pro Day", FOIA sourced stories about his girlfriend, celebrated a birthday, and is now dealing with college transfer portal comings and goings. Tar Heel Illustrated's Andrew Jo…

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Bomani Jones on Belichick, slow jams, and Stephen A. | Carolina Hurricanes playoff vibe check with Sara Civian | OG369 1:37:15

1M ago1:37:15

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off with a little housekeeping and Carolina Hurricanes playoff start guesswork before welcoming Bomani Jones to the podcast. Bo admits having Bill Belichick at North Carolina makes him miss working in the Triangle because he could talk about it for every show. Jones and the Joes also get into the lost art of th…

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AP Life Skills: How to Get Enough Sleep on the Road | BJA153 44:50

1M ago44:50

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Today Joe748 and SD1 are joined by renowned sleep expert Mollie Eastman, creator of Sleep is a Skill. Mollie dives deep into the science of sleep, circadian rhythm, and how environments like casinos—and modern life in general—can disrupt our biological clocks. From practical tips to insights on meal timing, blue light exposure, and the power of red…

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Burning questions from Triangle hoops portal moves | Rory McIlroy got y'all emotional | Belichick's girlfriend shaping UNC messaging | OG368 1:21:33

2M ago1:21:33

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio start things off revisiting The Masters, which brought out a lot of emotions and one fake phone call to a radio station. The Athletic's Brendan Marks joins the podcast to break down portal moves for North Carolina, NC State and Duke hoops. Roger Gore, pickle ball enthusiast and ALS fundraiser, joins the show to promoting "A…

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Rory McIlroy made great Masters TV | Nico Iamaleava-Tennessee divorce could spark government NIL bill | UNC 'practiced like a pro', but Belichick's GF stole show 1:36:36

2M ago1:36:36

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Joe Ovies and Demetri Ravanos, filling in for Joe Giglio, get things started with the great television that unfolded with Rory McIlroy's win at The Masters. However, the national sports talk ecosystem is so broken that his career golf grand slam will likely be reduced to yet another LeBron vs. Jordan debate. Matt Brown, author of Extra Points, join…

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Rumble in DC? Canes and Cap square up | An iconic piece of Dumb and Dumber" in Raleigh | OG 366 1:34:33

2M ago1:34:33

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The Hurricanes and Capitals are supposed to play a hockey game on Thursday night in DC but it might just wind up being another round of fights. You remember the scooter from "Dumb and Dumber?" Weston Spece, of Oak City Sports Cards in Raleigh, bought it and he got Jeff Daniels to sign it. Plus, Chip Patterson breaks down the win totals for Duke, UN…

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What's wrong with ECU baseball? | A conversation with Elliott Avent | The Lightning Round | OG 365 1:08:18

2M ago1:08:18

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ECU dropped a 4-1 home baseball game to NC State on Tuesday night in Greenville. The Pirates are in danger of missing the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2017. A conversation with Wolfpack baseball coach Elliott Avent about this team and the future of college baseball. James Giglio, from Hoist the Colours, joins Joe Giglio to discuss and t…

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[Rebroadcast] Part 1: The Life of Card Counter ‘SassyRed’ | BJA048 1:00:52

2M ago1:00:52

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SassyRed was a remarkable member of the BJA community, let's revisit her very first appearance on the BJA Podcast this week. Part 2 of this conversation focuses on emotional swings as an AP and is also available to our members on the member only podcast player. In this interview we discuss: - How a life of travel helps prepare you for the AP life -…

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Big money, big moves headline Triangle hoops offseason | Did the ACC "fail" Duke? | When will Nikishin join the Canes? | OG Sports Phone! | OG364 1:31:37

2M ago1:31:37

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio go from "year to year" proposition to "game to game" after Florida did to Houston what Houston did to Duke in the NCAA Tournament title game. Now the focus is on offseason retooling at North Carolina, Duke, and NC State. It'll involve big money and some hard conversations with players. The Carolina Hurricanes have hit the p…

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What’s next for Scheyer and Duke after Final Four heartbreak? | Triangle fans enjoy Blue Devil schadenfreude | Ovechkin and Canes forever linked | OG Sports Phone | OG363 1:30:47

2M ago1:30:47

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Joe Ovies and Joe Giglio had some time to process Duke's shocking collapse against Houston in the Final Four and are left with one conclusion - Jon Scheyer mismanaged the end of the game. However, Scheyer has company when it comes to losing in the Final Four early in their coaching career. Meanwhile, North Carolina and NC State fans are getting the…

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FINAL FOUR REACTION: Road ends for Duke after Houston rallies to beat Blue Devils 54:07

2M ago54:07

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Cooper Flagg had the ball and a chance to put Duke in the NCAA Tournament Championship against Florida after Houston rallied to take a 1-point lead. The shot came up short and the Blue Devils are headed back from San Antonio without the hardware. Where does this leave Flagg in the conversation with all-time great college freshmen? And where does Jo…

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