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It’s In the Experience

Association for Experiential Education

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Join Sherry Bagley, executive director of the Association for Experiential Education, as she chats with various guests using experiential education principles and methods. Each 30-minute podcast offers an engaging and often humorous journey to learn about experiential education and its many forms and uses.
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Leading Improvements in Higher Education with Stephen Hundley is an award-winning podcast service of the Assessment Institute in Indianapolis, the oldest and largest higher education assessment and improvement event in the U.S. Learn more at go.iu.edu/assessmentinstitute. The podcast profiles people, initiatives, institutions, and organizations improving conditions in higher education. Join thought leaders for engaging discussions of enduring and emerging topics, themes, and trends affecting ...
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Work Forces

Work Forces

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Seeking to optimize your organization for the future of work and learning? Join workforce and education strategists Julian Alssid and Kaitlin LeMoine as they speak with the innovators who are shaping the future of workforce and career preparation. Together, they will unpack the big problems these individuals are solving and discuss the strategies and tactics that really work. This bi-weekly show is for practitioners and policymakers looking for practical workforce and learning solutions that ...
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Ellie Bertani, President and CEO of GitLab Foundation, discusses the foundation’s unique approach to philanthropy that prioritizes ROI, risk-taking, and speed to support economic mobility initiatives. Drawing from her cross-sectoral experience in nonprofit, public, and private sectors, Bertani explains how the foundation measures impact by tracking…
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Kerry McKittrick, Co-Director of The Harvard Project on Workforce, shares research conducted in partnership with the National Governors Association on how governors are reshaping workforce development to address labor force challenges. She identifies key trends including agency mergers, stakeholder engagement, dual-customer approaches, innovative f…
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In this episode, we have a conversation about continuous improvement in higher education. Our guest is Will Miller. Will serves as Associate Vice President for Continuous Improvement and Institutional Performance at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, where he and his colleagues also host the annual Continuous Improvement Summit, which is open to…
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Dana Stephenson and Dave Savory, co-founders of Riipen, discuss their journey creating a platform that connects students with project-based experiential learning opportunities. The conversation explores how work-integrated learning can bridge the gap between education and employment through flexible experiences that complement traditional internshi…
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In our season 3 premiere episode, host Sherry Bagley welcomes Callie Auman, assistant director for challenge course and team building at UNC Charlotte, and Robyn Handley-Lane, director of teen programs at the Dylan Jude Harrell Community Center. Together, they explore the dynamics of their cross-country partnership and how intentional collaboration…
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Matt Sigelman, President of the Burning Glass Institute, discusses the crucial role of real-time labor market data in guiding workforce development and helping stakeholders navigate the evolving skills landscape. Sigelman highlights the rapid evolution of skills, noting the decreasing 'half-life' of skills and the growing importance of lifelong lea…
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Jean Eddy, President & CEO of American Student Assistance (ASA), discusses how middle and high school students can develop career awareness and gain meaningful workplace experiences before college. Drawing on research showing middle school as the optimal window for career exploration, Eddy details ASA's digital platform approach, which reaches 15 m…
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This episode features colleagues discussing results from a recent study they conducted entitled “A Portrait of the Assessment Professional in the United States.” Our guests are Ruth Slotnick and Mark Nicholas. Ruth is Director of Assessment at Bridgewater State University, and Mark is Vice President for the New England Commission of Higher Educatio…
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In this special crossover episode, host Sherry Bagley and Phil Brown, host of Vertical Playpen, discuss their experiences at the AEE Conference in Hong Kong. They explore the growing impact of the Asia Pacific region in experiential education, key takeaways from the event, and the evolving role of academia in the field. Plus, they dive into the imp…
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Description Scott Carlson and Ned Laff, authors of "Hacking College," discuss how to craft a higher education experience that intentionally links student learning to future work and career success. They emphasize the necessity of a proactive and personalized approach to higher education, tapping into students' passions and hidden intellectualism. C…
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In this episode, we discuss issues of faculty job satisfaction and retention in collegiate contexts. Our guest is Todd Benson. Todd is Executive Director and Principal Investigator with the Collaborative on Academic Careers in Higher Education, or COACHE as it is known, which is based in the Graduate School of Education at Harvard University. Link …
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Frederick Wehrle, Assistant Dean for Academic Innovation and Learning at UCLA Extension, discusses his research on using AI to optimize adult learning. Wehrle focuses on developing AI-powered instructional tools and approaching learning and course design from a neuroscience perspective. He shares practical strategies for educators and learners to k…
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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley sits down with Nick Magle-Haberek, co-owner of Adventure Therapist LLC and owner at Movemental Wellbeing, and Patrick McMillion, faculty member in Counseling and Counselor Education at Westminster University. Both guests serve on the AEE Certification Council and bring deep expertise and experience in adventure t…
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Matt Evans is CEO of Julius Education, a company that provides workforce technology tools to help job seekers and employers navigate fast-developing industries. Matt shares his background in emerging fields, including online learning and water technology, and his journey to Julius Education. He highlights the lack of detailed data on occupations, p…
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Naomi Boyer, Senior Vice President of Digital Transformation at Education Design Lab, discusses the importance of skills-based learning and how to align education with workforce needs. Boyer also discusses the need for trust and transparency in the talent marketplace, and a common language and framework for discussing skills and competencies. The e…
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This episode features a conversation with a higher education assessment leader involved in championing Student Learning Outcomes, or SLOs as they are also known. Our guest is Jarek Janio, who, in addition to being a faculty member at Santa Ana College, is also one of the founders of the California Outcomes & Assessment Coordinator Hub, otherwise kn…
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Host Sherry Bagley is joined by Christy Brodeur, Youth Learning Coordinator at Project Adventure, and Elyse Norton, Senior Coordinator of Youth and Adult Learning Programs at Project Adventure, who also serve as co-conveners of the AEE Northeast Regional Conference. Together, they share their unique career journeys into experiential education—Chris…
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Brandon Busteed, CEO of BrandEd, joins Work Forces to discuss the power of industry immersion in education. He shares his background as an edtech entrepreneur and executive at Kaplan and Gallup, and his journey to BrandEd, a company that partners with global brands like Sotheby's and The New York Times to offer experiential education programs built…
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Siya Raj Purohit is an education leader, author, and investor who works on education at OpenAI and is a General Partner at Pathway Ventures, an early-stage fund investing in the future of learning and work. Siya joins us to discuss the transformative role of AI in education and work. The conversation explores significant applications of OpenAI in e…
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This episode features a conversation with a colleague from the National Association of Colleges and Employers, or NACE as it is also known. Our guest is Mary Gatta, who serves as Director of Research and Public Policy at NACE. Link to resources mentioned in this episode: National Association of Colleges and Employers: https://www.naceweb.org/ This …
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Join host Sherry Bagley for an inspiring conversation with Kymberly Lacrosse, executive director of Growing Greatness, along with team members Aaron Gaxiola and Lucia Perez. Together, they share how this grassroots organization in Watsonville, California, empowers youth and community members through outdoor adventures, leadership development, and t…
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Career success requires more than just skills. Luther Jackson, workforce development expert and Non-Resident Fellow at Brookings Metro, and Julia Freeland Fisher, Director of Education Research at the Clayton Christensen Institute and author of Who You Know, join Work Forces to unpack the critical role of social capital in navigating today's turbul…
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Michael Horn, co-author of "Job Moves: Nine Steps for Making Progress in Your Career," joins us to discuss the changing landscape of job searching and career development. He introduces the "jobs to be done" theory, emphasizing the importance of understanding individual motivations and seeking progress in work and life. The conversation explores the…
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In this episode, we have a conversation with colleagues involved in producing Assessment 101 in Higher Education: The Fundamentals and How to Apply Them, the debut title in the Assessment and Improvement in Higher Education book series from Routledge. Our guests are Alex Andrews, Keston Fulcher, and Megan Good. Alex is an Editor for higher educatio…
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Matt Merino, CEO of Education Management Solutions (EMS), speaks about the innovative ways technology can be used to address talent gaps. Matt discusses the challenges and opportunities of leveraging technology to improve training, onboarding, and ongoing development for healthcare professionals. While Matt's focus is healthcare, his insights on le…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she chats with Dr. Brent Bell, an associate professor at the University of New Hampshire, and Paul Wolf, program director of outdoor leadership at Southwestern Community College, about their journeys into experiential education. They delve into the value of outdoor orientation programs, their roles in shaping leadership, …
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Pardis Mahdavi, a professor of medical anthropology, founder of Entheon Journeys, and former university president, discusses how higher education can evolve to meet modern workforce demands through technological innovation and cultural transformation. She examines the growing disconnect between student needs and traditional higher education approac…
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This episode features contributors to a special issue of Assessment Update focused on the future of High-Impact Practices, also known as HIPs. Our guests are Catherine Chan, Jerry Daday, and Jillian Kinzie. Catherine is assistant vice provost for high impact practices in the Division of Diversity, Equity, and Educational Achievement at the Universi…
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Bob Lerman, an Institute Fellow at the Urban Institute and leading researcher on and advocate for apprenticeships, discusses the role of apprenticeships in workforce development and economic mobility. He defines apprenticeships as a combination of on-the-job learning and classroom instruction, leading to occupational expertise. Lerman emphasizes th…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she sits down with Carla Hacker and Melanie Wills, MPH, from Experiential Systems, to explore the significance of universal design and accessibility in challenge courses. They emphasize the importance of fostering inclusive mindsets and practices to ensure these courses are accessible to individuals with disabilities. The…
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Sasha Thackaberry Voinovich, President of SkillsWave, an education benefit company, discusses the challenges and opportunities in bridging the gap between educational institutions and the workforce. She emphasizes the need for faster adaptation in curriculum development and teaching methods to meet the evolving demands of the job market. Sasha also…
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This episode features a conversation with two colleagues from 1EdTech, a member-led non-profit educational technology partnership organization. Our guests are Suzanne Carbonaro and Kelly Hoyland, both of whom serve as directors of 1EdTech’s higher education programs. 1EdTech: https://www.1edtech.org/ This season of Leading Improvements in Higher Ed…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she engages in a dynamic conversation with Deidra Goodwin, founder and experiential educator at DGoodwin Experiential LLC, and Troy Wilkerson, Bucket Band Director for the Arkansas Symphony Orchestra and advocate for civic service and experiential education. Together, they explore the power of mentorship and inclusivity, …
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Brad Turner-Little, President and CEO of the National Association of Workforce Boards (NAWB), shares his vision for NAWB and his commitment to building a workforce system that empowers individuals and strengthens communities. He discusses the challenges and opportunities facing workforce boards in the current landscape, emphasizing the need for inn…
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Kristen Fox, CEO of the Business-Higher Education Forum (BHEF), joins Work Forces to delve into the critical intersection of business and higher education. With extensive experience in education, digital learning, and workforce development, Kristen brings a contemporary lens to BHEF's mission of creating inclusive solutions for talent challenges. I…
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In this episode, we spend time with four influential scholars whose work has informed our thinking in the areas of experiential education and High Impact Practices, the latter often referred to as HIPs. Our guests are Alice Kolb, David Kolb, George Kuh, and Ken O’Donnell. Alice and David are widely recognized as leaders in experiential education, w…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she chats with Ed Maggart, an experiential educational consultant in North Carolina, and Sam Steiger, M.S., EMT-B, program coordinator in campus recreation at Minnesota State University Mankato. They share their personal experiences and perspectives on the importance of hands-on learning and personal growth. They chat abo…
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Becky Lewis is Director of Education and Workforce Development at NextFlex, a manufacturing institute dedicated to innovation and workforce development in the flexible hybrid electronics sector. Becky shares her passion for creating pathways for untapped talent to access good-paying jobs and discusses the challenges and opportunities in addressing …
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In this episode of Work Forces, Kaitlin LeMoine and Julian Alssid kick off season three with a conversation with Kermit Kaleba, Strategy Director of Employment Aligned Credential Programs at Lumina Foundation. Kermit delves into Lumina's mission to increase credential attainment and reduce racial disparities in education and employment. He discusse…
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This episode features a conversation with the editor of The National Teaching & Learning Forum, a Wiley publication. Our guest is Lee Skallerup Bessette. In addition to serving as editor of this publication, Lee is also Assistant Director of Digital Learning in the Center for New Designs in Learning and Scholarship at Georgetown University. Links t…
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Paul LeBlanc is former President of Southern New Hampshire University. Over 20 years, he led SNHU’s explosive growth, expanding access to over 250,000 students, to become the largest nonprofit provider of online higher education in the U.S. Paul shares his perspective on how artificial intelligence and the rise of tools like ChatGPT will bring deep…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she chats with Denise Mitten, PhD, an internationally recognized for her innovative scholarship in outdoor and environmental pedagogy, ethics, and gender, and Jill Overholt, associate professor of outdoor leadership at Warren Wilson College. This episode delves into the significance of research in experiential education, …
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Lisa Schumacher, Director of Education Strategies and Workforce Policy at McDonald's Corporation, shares her professional journey and the innovative workforce development practices embedded in the Archways to Opportunity program. Lisa discusses the importance of non-traditional career pathways and how McDonald's is providing a range of education op…
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Amy Williams, Executive Director of the National Alliance of Concurrent Enrollment Partnerships (NACEP), joins us to discuss the transformative power of dual enrollment in bridging the gap between secondary and postsecondary education and industry needs. With over two decades of experience across various educational sectors, Amy shares her insights…
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In this episode, we have a conversation with editors of the Journal of Student Affairs Inquiry, Improvement, and Impact (JSAIII), which is an open access publication advancing assessment across all student affairs functional areas. Our guests are Heather Strine-Patterson and Alice Mitchell, both of whom serve as editors of the Journal, and both hav…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she chats with Zac and Celine Adair from the National Center for Outdoor & Adventure Education. Together, they share their experiences and insights on creating positive and empowering experiences for individuals of all ages. They discuss the challenges faced by outdoor education providers, including staffing, certificatio…
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David Hernandez is Vice President of Education at IPC, a global industry association for electronics manufacturing. David shares his journey from a family of educators to leading workforce training and certification programs at IPC. The discussion delves into the challenges and opportunities in the electronics manufacturing industry, the importance…
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Connor Diemand-Yauman and Rebecca Taber-Staehelin are the co-founders of Merit America, a national nonprofit dedicated to creating fast, flexible pathways to family-sustaining careers for Americans stuck in low-wage jobs. The conversation delves into the challenges and successes of Merit America, exploring how their innovative coaching and financia…
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This episode focuses on Transparency in Learning and Teaching, also known as TiLT. Our guest is Mary-Ann Winkelmes. Mary-Ann is Founder, Director, and Principal Investigator of the Transparency in Learning and Teaching in Higher Education project. Link to plentiful resources from the Transparency in Learning and Teaching (TiLT) project: https://til…
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Join host Sherry Bagley as she chats with Sarah Gough, executive director for Play For Peace, and Marilyn Levin, development director at Play For Peace. They share their career journeys in experiential education, reflect on the impactful relationship between the Association for Experiential Education and Play for Peace, and discuss the significance…
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