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Think Outside The Fence

Amy Hughes & Arron Nerbas

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The musings of a Canadian, regenerative cattle rancher and a British lass who is all about the cows. Aiming to inspire positive change in agriculture, we chat to guests from across the globe to find out how their mindset has enabled them to do things a little differently to the benefit of their lives, businesses, communities and the environment. In a rapidly changing agricultural industry, is it time to think outside the fence?
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Sustainable Stock: Reviving Legacy Genetics is a podcast dedicated to exploring the power and potential of traditional cattle genetics while celebrating the ranchers who are bringing these practices back to life. Hosted by Patrick Powers, this podcast connects the past with the present, showcasing the resilience, efficiency, and fertility of the cattle breeds that helped build strong herds in the 1960s and '70s. Each episode features in-depth conversations with ranchers and breeders who are ...
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The Pasture Pod

Michael Blanche

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The No 1 Pasture based farming podcast in the Forgandenny parish. Join the search for 1) better profits for cattle and sheep; 2) top (to middling to absent) banter. Most amateur podcast on the internet thingy. Monthly.
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Episode 10: Let the Cows Do the Work: Durability Over Dependency with Arron Nerbas Arron Nerbas of Nerbas Bros Angus challenges mainstream cattle breeding philosophies by creating a herd built on durability rather than dependency. This third-generation Canadian cattleman shares how his family transformed their operation by focusing on three fundame…
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Episode 9: Fat Cows, Fat Soil, Fat Wallet: Real Wealth Ranching with Jim Elizondo Regenerative agriculture expert Jim Elizondo reveals the profound connection between cattle genetics and land health in this transformative episode. Drawing from his diverse expertise as an accountant, dairy nutritionist, and agronomy engineer, Elizondo shares how mod…
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This month we chat to Rhys Williams. A farmer, consultant and founder and organiser of Da Byw, the sustainable livestock farming conference. We cover the dos and don'ts of a joint venture, regenerative sheep businesses (yes, sheep!), and the lineup for this year's Da Byw conference in North Wales. It's set to be a great conference, so take a look a…
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Episode 8: AI in the Arctic — Building Better Cattle with Hailey Edwards Hailey Edwards takes us deep into the world of raising cattle in Alaska's most extreme environments, where temperatures plummet to -60°F in winter before soaring to 90°F in summer. Growing up on a family dairy that collapsed during industry-wide failures in 2000, Hailey pivote…
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Episode 7: No Backbone, No Herd: Restoring Forgotten Genetics With Hays Boyd When nine-year-old Hays Boyd set out to find heat-tolerant, good-natured cattle that could thrive on grass, he had no idea his research would lay the foundation for one of America’s premier Murray Grey herds. Now a veterinarian and third-generation rancher, Hayes shares th…
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Episode 6: Show Ponies and Paper Tigers with PJ Budler In this episode PJ takes us on a global cattle expedition that challenges everything we think we know about breeding. Having judged cattle in 48 countries, Budler offers a rare perspective on the disconnect between American cattle breeding philosophies and what actually works around the world. …
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Our first in-person interview, recorded at the MFGA Regenerative Ag conference in Brandon, Manitoba! In this episode, we have a lively conversation with Brian Harper, a professional land manager and cow-calf producer from Brandon, Manitoba. This interview explores Brian's farm operations, his innovative agricultural practices, and his insights into…
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Episode 5: Form Follows Function and the Bonsma Approach with Darris Meitler What can a cow that's raised 16 calves teach us about sustainable ranching? More than any textbook, says Darris Meitler, a fifth-generation Kansas cattleman whose family has been raising functional, profitable cattle since 1932. The Meitler operation stands as a living tes…
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Episode 4: What Happens When Cows Fly? With Renee Strickland What does it take to move cattle across continents? In this episode, we sit down with Renee Strickland, a seasoned livestock exporter, to explore the challenges and opportunities in the global cattle trade. From sourcing the right cattle to ensuring their welfare in transit, Strickland sh…
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Episode 3: Shaping Regenerative Ranching with Austin Dillon of Counter Culture Farms Unlock the secrets of sustainable ranching with Austin Dillon, owner and operator of Counter Culture Farms in East Texas. In this episode of Sustainable Stock, host Patrick Powers dives into Austin’s innovative approach to regenerative ranching, where traditional c…
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We have a new sponsor for season 2 of Think Outside The Fence! Thank you to Covers & Co for their support. In this episode we speak to Joe Gardiner, Agronomy and Research manager at Covers & Co, to find out more about where it all started, what the team are trying to achieve with their work and how farmers all over the world can get involved. Cover…
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Episode 2: Building the Bos Sires Legacy with Grant Vassberg In this episode of Sustainable Stock, host Patrick Powers speaks with Grant Vassberg, owner of Kallion Farms and co-founder of Bos Sires. Grant provides an inside look at the roles within Bos Sires, the vision driving the program, and how newcomers can get involved. This episode serves as…
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Episode 1: Breeding Resilience with John Atkinson In the premiere episode of Sustainable Stock, host Patrick Powers sits down with John Atkinson, a seventh-generation Australian cattleman, breeder, representative, and consultant for Bos Sires. John shares his family's rich ranching legacy, including their pivotal role in developing the resilient Dr…
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Happy New Year everyone! Here's our coverage of the MFGA 2024 Regen Ag conference in Brandon, Manitoba. We both attended the conference and thought it was great - all of the speakers were engageing, interesting and relevant. Thanks to our sponsors, MFGA, for having us and for organising and hosting such a great conference. These highlight clips rea…
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Welcome to episode 2 of the new season! We're bucking the trend this month with our wonderful guest, Ben Harman. Ben is a beef farmer from Buckinghamshire, England, who is very specific about his meat... This episode really is all about the cows! We chat breeding, meat quality, marketing and branding with our usual dose of mindset too. Buckle up fo…
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Welcome to this special episode, with our sponsors, Manitoba Forage and Grassland Association. The MFGA Regenerative Ag conference is coming up folks! This year's theme is 'open minds - open opportuities' and the committee have put together a great line up for you all. In this podvertorial (Arron's new word) we chat to MFGA Executive Director, Dunc…
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We have a seriously special guest to kick off season 2... David Irvine! David has more than 40 years experience as a family therapist, workshop facilitator, lecturer and advisor. Raised in rural central Alberta, David is no stranger to farming and the people that go with it. His work with Holisitic Management has helped and inspired farming familie…
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We made it! Think Outside The Fence is 1 year old! In this episode, Arron and Amy take a look back at their guests over the last year and put their own spin on things. Giving their thoughts on the conversations and ideas for the future. Thanks as always to our sponsors, Manitoba Forage and Grassland Association https://mfga.net/…
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Many moons and almost an equal amount of suns ago, our anti-hero MC Swardstick set off on his pilgrimage to find a mythical being. A dairy farmer who didn't work 90 hours a week. He found this creature and he was well cool and interesting. They spoke for almost 3 hours and MC left with his sound recorder full of wisdom. Unfortuneately, MC was very …
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Marking 1 whole year of Think Outside The Fence...here it is! Episode 12! In this episode we speak to Lucy Williamson. Lucy is a vet turned award winning, human nutritionist. With over 30 years experience in health, food and farming, she's part of a passionate community of health professional and food producers, learning from natural ecosystems, to…
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It's time for episode 11! Join us as we chat to Helen Wyman, Nuffield Scholar and founder of Cultivate Success, an agricultural mentorship programme in the UK. We talk through what mentorship actually is, what it can do for people in Ag and how making connections can battle loneliness and breed creative thinking. For those in the UK thinking about …
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A little 'bonus' episode for you all - Amy's "Embracing Change" talk from the Holistic Management Canada conference in Valleyview, Alberta earlier this year. We put this talk on our YouTube channel with the slides, but we've had reports of YouTube not playing nice with some of our listeners and have been asked to release it as a podcast episode. So…
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Welcome to episode 9! This month we interview Duane Thompson of the Tee Two Land & Cattle Co. from Kelliher, Saskatchewan. Duane and his family operate an integrated mixed farm, with an emphasis being stewards of the land while ensuring the long term viability of their farm business. We dive into what drives Duane’s passion for agriculture as he op…
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This March episode is a mid month release and a very special feature episode! In early February, Think Outside the Fence podcast was invited to join the Holistic Management Canada annual conference as MCs and presenters. Amy made the trip from the UK to join Arron in Valleyview, Alberta for the weekend conference on Feb 10-11. The theme for the con…
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Very exciting episode! The first international guest that is not from either Canada or the UK. In episode 7 we welcome all the way from the land down under, Jacob Wolki. Jacob has a strong online presence due to his straight forward approach and his way of challenging traditional thinking. Jacob is a first generation farmer and the owner of Wolki F…
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It's officially the start of 2024. What a great time to reflect on our personal well being, both mental and physical. Our special guest for episode 6 is Lewellyn Melnyk who is from the same home town as Arron in Manitoba. She is self described as an Author, Farmer & Mental Health Advocate, although we truly believe the latter is her true passion. F…
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Here it is, episode number 5 - the one where Amy got too excited and didn't let Arron get a word in edgeways (sorry, Arron!) In this episode we speak to Carol Glover "The Maverick Maker" Carol is a Ginger, Punk Inspired Maverick, Senior Leadership & Team Coach & Mentor, Intrapreneur and Edutainer (Carol's words, not ours) We talk about why knowing …
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Wow, it’s already episode 4! Joining us from Eastern Canada is Brian Maloney of Ferme Brylee. Brian operates a beef and sheep farm with a direct to consumer shop in Quebec, along side his wife Lise and his daughter Kim. Brian is a self admitted “Free Thinker”, and regularly puts out his own musings in the form of his “Saturday Ruminations” (which y…
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In episode 3 we speak to Heather Wildman of Saviour Associates in Scotland. Heather is a firecracker of a woman with a no-nonsense attitude towards change. If you want something, make it happen. We chat about her work with farming families across the UK and the mindset that has helped her overcome difficult times during her life, enabling her to co…
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Here it is! Episode 2 of Think Outside The Fence. On this one we welcome Holistic Rancher and Educator, Don Campbell. Don along with his wife, 2 sons and their families operate the B-C ranch in Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan. Don has been instrumental in bringing Holistic Management to prominence in Western Canada. We chat candidly about his lifetime of…
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Here it is! The pilot episode of Think Outside The Fence podcast. Arron and Amy give you a little insight into themselves, where it all started, what they hope to achieve and a glimpse at the kinds of topics they'll be covering and the guests they’ll be chatting to. Huge shout out to Emerson Nerbas who created the podcast logo, thank you so much, i…
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A Canadian themed episode to bring "Season 2" to an end. Arron came over to the UK in January 2023 and spoke to loads of people over the course of a week. I went to see him at the AHDB meeting in Northumberland at George Burrell's and it was such a refreshing and positive experience. Even though he has such a different environment to contend with, …
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After 12 years apart, two acquaintences meet. Everything has changed, Michael is even fatter and has less hair; Chris seems to have given Michael his extra body mass - he's lighter and fitter. Chris is also more self aware and intimidates Michael slightly less than in 2010. They talk for a long time and record some of it. Michael likes to think he …
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It's About Time was not on time this week - not perfect but at least it's definitely done! This is the last in the series and I want to thank everyone that was involved and everyone that is listened. Thanks to all those that took the trouble to message. Special, special thanks to the Frank Parkinson Agricultural Trust. This simply wouldn't exist wi…
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If in doubt seek expert help. My quest gets closer to an inconvenient truth as I speak to coaches, consultants and, big potato grower with normal sized potatoes, Robin Griffiths. This is the proper time management episode and was a bit of a revelation to me. Mention is given to the pomodoro technique with insufficient explanation until closer to th…
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I spent most of this episode in my pants watching YouTube. Clips used are for educational purposes. The series up to this point was on a roll with reviews like "I'm enjoying it much more than I thought I would" - but this was a big test to keep the underwhelming momentum up. Systems is such a monster of a subject but I hope you get something from i…
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Episode 3 sees me continue haphazardly like King Arthur in Monty Python's Holy Grail ... no horse and just coconuts as a sound effect. I eventually take my brave tablets and speak to "The Australian", then spend the rest of the episode trying to translate things to a UK Context. Luckily I have some sensible people helping. Can we nail down what is …
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The quest for answers continues. Is our use of time the invisible handbrake on our lives and businesses that we leave on without realising? I visit three dairy farms and hear about their experiences and challenges, within them there are parables and wisdom and glimpses of the answer. Warning: may contain poor analogies. Books mentioned in this epis…
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A departure from the normal Pasture Pod, I do my best attempt at being a poundshop Louis Theroux and go on a quest to find answers on how time affects farming and how we can use time to affect our lives and businesses for good. Episode one contains a record breaking number of metaphors per minute of narration ... so be prepared. Thankfully all is s…
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Once apon a time soil was less cool than flares (when they weren't trendy) and plastic shoes. I may have been forced to wear the latter two items of clothing as a young adult but at least I wasn't studying soil science!! BUT times have changed, a revolution has happened and soil science might be - quite possibly - one of the coolest things going. J…
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Gus and Duncan are full siblings with impressive EBVs for 3 Hour Bantz; Low CoP and Positive Mental Attitude. They are both structurally correct with good locomotion and teeth but increasingly bare heads. The Pasture Pod returns to its roots with this episode - hardore farming chat and a glimpse into the motivation of a couple of awesome individual…
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If Nikki is a human being, I am a slug. By this I mean - we share 80% of our farming DNA but it still seems we see things differently. This was a theraputic conversation that allowed me to accept the final 20%. "It is what it is" as they say in Love Island. It's OK not to think exactly the same way and maybe there's wisdom in other opinions. Now I …
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Holly Beckett could possibly change your life. Quietly and without a lot of fuss she has been helping people become more focussed, less stressed and have a renewed appreciation of life. She has been introducing mindfulness to the UK farming industry and its making a difference to people. Keep an open mind. Even if mindfulness is not for you, I thin…
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This is enormous. Its the biggest and longest. Don't be scared. Alex Brewster is a fascinating chap whatever your own farming philosophy. In my opinion he is one of the best communicators in UK agriculture. A Soil Farmer of the Year, a Nuffield Scholar and someone who stole the show at the Oxford Farming Conference. You will soon know him as Beanie…
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Daniel has grown a beard that provides more biodiversity habitat than Knepp Estate. He cares for it deeply, sometimes with product. He has scanned many sheep in his career but his true destiny is to be the biggest sheep nerd in either hemisphere. He is from a place called New Zealand and if he was on a cruise liner his favourite deck would be deck …
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With his long torso and teeny, tiny legs Graham Lofthouse and his family own 109.99999999999999 Hectares in Galawater in the Scottish Borders. A man driven by the knowledge that nothing is ever perfect but there's always hope that one day it might be, we speak about all sorts - sport, psychology, decimal points and obsessive attention to farming de…
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If a life lived in fear is a life half lived then Tim has a double life #pasturearithmetic. One of the founders and drivers of the Exlana breed he loves breeding and statistics .... what are the chances of that? The Exlana sale is on Tuesday 3rd August. Checkout their website https://www.exlana.co.uk/sales Link to register for the Farmax ‘The Benef…
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Recorded when Jamie was 38 years old, this week Jamie has his 40th birthday. We didn't talk that long rather the editor is well rubbish. Jamie is from Shetland and has made great strides in his farming business despite being in a challenging environment. He is also the most northerly Fodder Beet grower in the world though his friend Matthew from up…
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